Gaara & Lee vs Kimimaro & Orochimaru

[KazekageDaichi]

Wo...believing Gaara would lose to Orochimaru is crazy.
How would Orochimaru surpass Gaara's current defense?With snakes? And how would Orochimaru defense himself from the sand?With Rashomon that only stops one direction attacks?? ._.
Gaara wins this probably alone.

 

[Ambriel]

Kimimaro owns them both solo

 

[-Vegeta-]

Wo...believing Gaara would lose to Orochimaru is crazy.
How would Orochimaru surpass Gaara's current defense?With snakes? And how would Orochimaru defense himself from the sand?With Rashomon that only stops one direction attacks?? ._.
Gaara wins this probably alone.

Have you forgotten edo tensei? Hashirama could use his mokuton to cover the surrounding area making Gaara's sand somewhat useless and then there's also his bringer of darkness genjutsu in which Gaara wouldn't be able to see anything.

They're also both edos so Gaara would have no way to stop them. There's really no way Gaara and Lee can win this.

 

[KazekageDaichi]

Have you forgotten edo tensei? Hashirama could use his mokuton to cover the surrounding area making Gaara's sand somewhat useless and then there's also his bringer of darkness genjutsu in which Gaara wouldn't be able to see anything.

They're also both edos so Gaara would have no way to stop them. There's really no way Gaara and Lee can win this.

Edo tensei needs pre-time.I doubt Mokunton would make gaara's sand useless.Also bringer of darkness only affects to the sight and can be broken detecting the attacks of the user(sand particles detected Muu) and gaara automatic defense would be still active.
Even with pre-time,Orochimaru's edo tensei are also imperfect for some reason.

 

[-Vegeta-]

Edo tensei needs pre-time.I doubt Mokunton would make gaara's sand useless.Also bringer of darkness only affects to the sight and can be broken detecting the attacks of the user(sand particles detected Muu) and gaara automatic defense would be still active.
Even with pre-time,Orochimaru's edo tensei are also imperfect for some reason.

Ummm Orochimaru didn't need any prep time when fighting the 3rd hokage. He was able to use it right away, yes it needs bodies but I'm assuming he already has them ready coming into the fight like he did against the 3rd hokage.

Also how's the sensor sand going to help? It only detects the opponent, not the attacks. The fact also remains that neither Gaara or Lee have any sealing jutsu to stop edo tensei. Also do you really think sand is going to kill Orochimaru? The guy is practically immortal.

 

[Lord Snow]

Oro and kimimaro will win.

 

[KazekageDaichi]

Ummm Orochimaru didn't need any prep time when fighting the 3rd hokage. He was able to use it right away, yes it needs bodies but I'm assuming he already has them ready coming into the fight like he did against the 3rd hokage.

Also how's the sensor sand going to help? It only detects the opponent, not the attacks. The fact also remains that neither Gaara or Lee have any sealing jutsu to stop edo tensei. Also do you really think sand is going to kill Orochimaru? The guy is practically immortal.

If it detects the opponent,detects the attack and the genjutsu is broken(the attacks would be also useless against automatic defense).
If it needs bodies,it needs prep-time.
Gaara has sealing jutsu.

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[FloriGlori]

For them having no information about each other pretty much contradicts the manga, but well.

Orochimaru and Kimimaro will take this.
Taijutsu is practically useless against both of them, so Lee won't pose that much of a threat. Even with his inner gates activated I can't really see him killing either one of them. If so, it would more likely be Orochimaru, who can use his rebirth technique and is pretty robust, though. Gaara will have some trouble fighting Orochimaru's huge snakes, Kimimaro can't be wounded by him at all - at least if he has no sealing tags. In a thick forest Gaara can't use his sand without restrictions anyway. Like always I'm excluding Edo Tensei.

However, restricting Edo Tensei due to supposed preparation time is just ridiculous. In that case we could restrict any kind of Kuchiyose no Jutsu, since the contract that needs to be signed could also be considered as preparation time. Binding a soul to a body is just like signing a contract with an animal.

 

[-Vegeta-]

If it detects the opponent,detects the attack and the genjutsu is broken(the attacks would be also useless against automatic defense).
If it needs bodies,it needs prep-time.
Gaara has sealing jutsu.

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Lol where did you get the idea that if it detects the opponent then the jutsu would be broken? It isn't a mind genjutsu, it's just a genjutsu where it blinds your opponent.

Also the opponents don't even have to come in they could just use their jutsu from outside of the darkness and the sand doesn't detect attacks. Also that isn't sealing jutsu, it's simply a sealing tag hence why they have to be placed on there targets before the sealing happens.

And like I said a little sand isn't going to kill Orochimaru because the guy is practically immortal. They also have Kimimaro to worry about.

Like I also said earlier Hashirama could use mokuton to cover the battlefield and Gaara's sand would be practically useless in that.

 

[KazekageDaichi]

Lol where did you get the idea that if it detects the opponent then the jutsu would be broken? It isn't a mind genjutsu, it's just a genjutsu where it blinds your opponent.

Also the opponents don't even have to come in they could just use their jutsu from outside of the darkness and the sand doesn't detect attacks. Also that isn't sealing jutsu, it's simply a sealing tag hence why they have to be placed on there targets before the sealing happens.

And like I said a little sand isn't going to kill Orochimaru because the guy is practically immortal. They also have Kimimaro to worry about.

Like I also said earlier Hashirama could use mokuton to cover the battlefield and Gaara's sand would be practically useless in that.

If it detects the opponents,the genjutsu is useless and is broken,that's his weak point,it only affects the sight,the opponent can be sensed,smelt and heard.You still think the genjutsu wouldn't be broken by this way? ._.
I didn't understand the second paragraph...you're telling me Gaara can't seal edo tenseis when he did several times?

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(Gaara moves his hand...and mizukage gets sealed)

 

[-Vegeta-]

If it detects the opponents,the genjutsu is useless and is broken,that's his weak point,it only affects the sight,the opponent can be sensed,smelt and heard.You still think the genjutsu wouldn't be broken by this way? ._.
I didn't understand the second paragraph...you're telling me Gaara can't seal edo tenseis when he did several times?

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(Gaara moves his hand...and mizukage gets sealed)

He seals them using the sealing tags so without the tags he can't seal anything. I thought this was obvious.

 

[siyo]

This would be an exciting match. Orochimaru and kimmimaro (he owned both gaara and drunk ,kong fu, lee; albeit when they were young) would take it however Gaara and lee would not get down without a fight ( 8th gate could be dangerous) .

Orchimaru decides to summon Nagato, Nidaime Mizukage and Muu. He transforms himself into his true form (which is stronger than edo) and releases his invincible poison.Good night....

 

[lswhyte123]

Gaara can seal Edo's away.
Orochimaru has only used 1st & 2nd Hokage as Edo's thus can only use them.

I would say Orochimaru shouldn't be able to use edo's though. This is a flat out battle, he had prepared to have the Edo's against the 3rd. I didn't say he'd prepared any Edo's before this fight.

 

[siyo]

Gaara can seal Edo's away.
Orochimaru has only used 1st & 2nd Hokage as Edo's thus can only use them.

I would say Orochimaru shouldn't be able to use edo's though. This is a flat out battle, he had prepared to have the Edo's against the 3rd. I didn't say he'd prepared any Edo's before this fight.

Orochimaru & Kimimaro: Full Health & Prime

This is what you said.Full health and prime which includes Edo, which is part of his arsenal.Would be dumb to ask if FTG is included when people talk about Minato in his prime.Orochimaro already preps his edo's before he goes out and play with people(common sense) and it would naive to claim that Orochimaro's arsenal is limited to the three Hokages (who were chosen because of sentimental values + their skills ).

You need to restrict Edo if you don't want it to be part of the equasion..

 

[lswhyte123]

This is what you said.Full health and prime which includes Edo, which is part of his arsenal.Would be dumb to ask if FTG is included when people talk about Minato in his prime.Orochimaro already preps his edo's before he goes out and play with people(common sense) and it would naive to claim that Orochimaro's arsenal is limited to the three Hokages (who were chosen because of sentimental values + their skills ).

You need to restrict Edo if you don't want it to be part of the equasion..

Full health & Prime. I didn't say that he'd have Edo's though. That takes preparation & time. He's still strong without them.

Also, I don't know why you thought he'd have Muu or Nagato. Orochimaru only ever used the 1st & 2nd Hokage.
If it were just part of his arsenol, he'd have used some of his other Edo's against Jiraiya & Tsunade or perhaps in other fights.

Kabuto seems pretty busy using the Edo atm and even when Orochimaru used them, it pretty much meant he was no longer in the fight as he had to fully control them.

 

[Red Slayer]

Lee can use 8-gates.


Lee can't use 8-gates.

without EDO TENSEI Orochimaru will win solo Mid difficulty

Orochimaru Will win solo easily if he have edo tensei

 

[AntMan]

Gaara & Lee couldn't even beat kimi.

 

[lswhyte123]

Gaara & Lee couldn't even beat kimi.

Gaara put Kimimaro through his paces at 13 years of age. Almost beat him but in the end Kimimaro died of his illness.
Gaara & Lee were only a fraction then, of what they are now. I think they've got one hell of a fighting chance.

Those of you who think Orochimaru can solo the two of them are deluded. Present decent back up if you're gonna say something daft like that.

Kisame>Orochimaru in my opinion and the 7th Gate was enough to beat him down. Lee can use the 7th and even 8th if needed.

I think people need to stop over-rating Orochimaru. I do think though that he was generally under played in the anime/manga.

 

[Blaze Release]

Gaara fans need to calm down.
He is strong but lets not allow him to bite what he cannot chew

 

[-Vegeta-]

Gaara put Kimimaro through his paces at 13 years of age. Almost beat him but in the end Kimimaro died of his illness.
Gaara & Lee were only a fraction then, of what they are now. I think they've got one hell of a fighting chance.

Those of you who think Orochimaru can solo the two of them are deluded. Present decent back up if you're gonna say something daft like that.

Kisame>Orochimaru in my opinion and the 7th Gate was enough to beat him down. Lee can use the 7th and even 8th if needed.

I think people need to stop over-rating Orochimaru. I do think though that he was generally under played in the anime/manga.

We don't know that. He's only been able to use up to 5 gates from what we've heard and even though that was said back in part 1 we don't have any confirmation on whether he can use them all now or not.