Nagato Uzumaki vs Madara Uchiha

[24 12 11 to troll]

Anyone with Rinnegan, Preta Path and strong Jutsus can Handle 3+Bijuus, just suck out the chakra und use Meteors/Chibaku Tensei.

well no.... you see not if its hachibi and kurama , tbb and bam already game over , tbb is the 1 jutsu which i see as incounterable

 

[Lt Iceman]

nope ,different eyes

They're not different eyes,you can't place your personal opinion above the manga dude

Nagato's Rinnegan was given to him,he isn't a true Uchia to naturally awaken it by himself.This is manga canon,you,can't dismiss it by just saying nope,different eyes :flaw:

 

[TrollingSage]

They're not different eyes,you can't place your personal opinion above the manga dude

Nagato's Rinnegan was given to him,he isn't a true Uchia to naturally awaken it by himself.This is manga canon,you,can't dismiss it by just saying nope,different eyes :flaw:

Give me a manga page which states that Nagato's rinnegan was Madara's.
Also going by your logic Obito will have all the 1000 jutsus that Kakashi has copied with his sharingan and Kamui if he's resurrected.

 

[Lt Iceman]

Give me a manga page which states that Nagato's rinnegan was Madara's.

Man really,why do i need to get bothered by the hassle of such task when at this very point the issue in question is as clear as day?

As i'm mentally exhausted of debating with the likes of folks who lack basic manga understanding i'll give you the pages needed to solve the rebus by yourself U_U

Now for the Chapters 560 on wards will do good

Chapter 509 510

PS:the only human besides the so6p to awaken the Rinnegan is Madara...just in case you' won't get it the 1st time while reading chapters 560 on wards U_U

Also going by your logic Obito will have all the 1000 jutsus that Kakashi has copied with his sharingan and Kamui if he's resurrected.

Such crookedness of words,how in the world i ought to reply to such logical atrocity

 

[TrollingSage]

Man really,why do i need to get bothered by the hassle of such task when at this very point the issue in question is as clear as day?

As i'm mentally exhausted of debating with the likes of folks who lack basic manga understanding i'll give you the pages needed to solve the rebus by yourself U_U

Now for the Chapters 560 on wards will do good

Chapter 509 510

PS:the only human besides the so6p to awaken the Rinnegan is Madara...just in case you' won't get it the 1st time while reading chapters 560 on wards U_U



Such crookedness of words,how in the world i ought to reply to such logical atrocity

Actually I do read the manga. I only asked you to provide evidence because I knew you couldnt find one. Fun fact: Tobi is the only person who's claimed responsibilty for "giving" Nagato the rinnegan. And even with that we cant be sure or he physically transplanted Madara's or just induced the conditions needed to awaken the rinnegan.
Bolded Part: I dont expect you to reply. Mostly because you cant counter it. Tobi and Kakashi's case is evidence that one can take a doujutsu from someone and awaken and use powers the original owner couldnt use.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

Gentleman i rest my case with the likes of your persona,as debating further will prove itself useless as useless as it would be trying to understand and resolve the paradox of the irresistible object against the immovable objectU_U

And an ad hominem won't do you any good,as it proves your immaturity,and diminishes your already close to 0 debating skills(infinitesimal function)

Ad hominem is/are personal remark/s someone makes towards another person,while disregarding the claims made by such persona by ignoring the claim and targeting the person directly,and it enters the category of Logical Fallacy.It's used when someone is losing an argument and feels the need to regain it via discrediting the other.And you happen to fit perfectly in the description

I myself and other users have more than amply giving meaningful explanations as to why clearly nagato isn't winning this,but still there's the denial of some individuals like yourself,so I leave this debate with just one of the guys you +repped



I bet there's just no words for that U_U

you need to stop going online with a superiority complex because everything you just said has no relevance to me whatsoever apart from Ad hominem which is ironic as your the biggest culprit of being ignorant here

Your explanation of why madara win is based on speculation and fanboy hype , no matter who wins this battle would not be settled in one move they are both too strong for that.I believe it would come down to the one who can endure the longest and thats Nagato

 

[Lt Iceman]

you need to stop going online with a superiority complex because everything you just said has no relevance to me whatsoever apart from Ad hominem which is ironic as your the biggest culprit of being ignorant here

Your explanation of why madara win is based on speculation and fanboy hype , no matter who wins this battle would not be settled in one move they are both too strong for that.I believe it would come down to the one who can endure the longest and thats Nagato

Classy way to admit defeat,indeed,a classy way gentleman,i must assert

If you want to debate with me in a open way,i'm always ready to,as of now my points haven't been countered iirc U_U

You can dismiss my assessments by watering them down with epithets such as fanboy hype and speculation but my claims were in line with the manga and canonically on point,and mostly for such reason undebatable U_U

I still see you don't get the concept of what an ad hominem is,if you can't get it yourself who am i to make you understand

And firstly it was my intellect that was questioned and brought up in the debate by your persona iirc,so from there the rest was just history

 

[Lt Iceman]

Actually I do read the manga. I only asked you to provide evidence because I knew you couldnt find one. Fun fact: Tobi is the only person who's claimed responsibilty for "giving" Nagato the rinnegan. And even with that we cant be sure or he physically transplanted Madara's or just induced the conditions needed to awaken the rinnegan.
Bolded Part: I dont expect you to reply. Mostly because you cant counter it. Tobi and Kakashi's case is evidence that one can take a doujutsu from someone and awaken and use powers the original owner couldnt use.

Don't worry right now i don't have the actual brain power to process any rational thought after a day of lessons,but sure tomorrow i'll verily proceed to enlighten you

And no you don't read the manga full well then,as you're unable to connect the pieces of the rebus and solve it via the chapters i suggested you to read.

 

[Kakashi Fang]

Nagato because his name is Nagato for a reason lol.

 

[MangekyouJ]

tobi curbstomps madara , nobody can handle more than 3 bijuu at once apart from so6p ,
list madaras rinnegan techniques

then ill list nagatos:
Amplification Summoning Technique
Animal Path
Asura Path
Banshō Ten'in
Blocking Technique Absorption Seal
Chakra Explosion
Chakra Propulsion
Chibaku Tensei
Deva Path
Flaming Arrow Missiles
Flaming Arrow of Amazing Ability
Human Path
Magic Lantern Body Technique
Mental Barricades
Mirrored Sudden Attacker Technique
Naraka Path
Outer Path
Outer Path: Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique
Preta Path
Rain Tiger at Will Technique
Sealing Technique: Phantom Dragons Nine Consuming Seals
Shinra Tensei
Six Paths of Pain
Soul Removal
Summoning Technique (GEDO MAZO)

i think my list is complete

now i do madaras:
Blocking Technique Absorption Seal
Meteorite Technique
Preta Path


enough said?

DAAAAAAYUUUUUM!!!!!!! I didn't know Nagato had it in him.....hell had it have the chakra to keep going...he'd start the war and finish it himself.....

 

[arv993]

Actually I do read the manga. I only asked you to provide evidence because I knew you couldnt find one. Fun fact: Tobi is the only person who's claimed responsibilty for "giving" Nagato the rinnegan. And even with that we cant be sure or he physically transplanted Madara's or just induced the conditions needed to awaken the rinnegan.
Bolded Part: I dont expect you to reply. Mostly because you cant counter it. Tobi and Kakashi's case is evidence that one can take a doujutsu from someone and awaken and use powers the original owner couldnt use.

learn to put the pieces together its almost a little obvious by now man

 

[arv993]

Classy way to admit defeat,indeed,a classy way gentleman,i must assert

If you want to debate with me in a open way,i'm always ready to,as of now my points haven't been countered iirc U_U

You can dismiss my assessments by watering them down with epithets such as fanboy hype and speculation but my claims were in line with the manga and canonically on point,and mostly for such reason undebatable U_U

I still see you don't get the concept of what an ad hominem is,if you can't get it yourself who am i to make you understand

And firstly it was my intellect that was questioned and brought up in the debate by your persona iirc,so from there the rest was just history

LT Iceman don't go deabting with one of the biggest fanboys of nagato in NB he will say that nagato can beat tobi+madara or that he can take on the whole shinobi alliance. PPL like him forget simple but important facts such as who was deemed as the trump card it wasn't nagato the last time i checked but let ppl like him delude themselves into thinking so.

 

[Infinite Mizu]

Madara. Nagato may have mastered the rinnegan but he cant beat Madara

 

[Lt Iceman]

LT Iceman don't go deabting with one of the biggest fanboys of nagato in NB he will say that nagato can beat tobi+madara or that he can take on the whole shinobi alliance. PPL like him forget simple but important facts such as who was deemed as the trump card it was nagato the last time i checked but let ppl like him delude themselves into thinking so.

Ok,thanks for the nice piece of advice.

 

[Raito]

Madara would destroy Nagato even without the Rinnegan. He possesses the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan, that's enough to defeat Nagato. Already the Mangekyō Sharingan is overwhelming. It gives you powerful Genjutsus - strong enough to control even the Kyuubi, also Amaterasu, which will hit Nagato in any case, because it arises directly in front of his body, and on top Susanoo, the perfect attack with the perfect defense. The Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan is the higher stage of the Mangekyō Sharingan and gives you according to Itachi true power. With this unstoppable power, Madara took control over every shinobi clan the Uchiha encountered (Stated by Itachi, chapter 386, page 10). Also Tsunade said, that Madara is more than a man, she said that Madara is an ideal, the name itself is power. Madaras hype is 100 times bigger than Hashiramas, we don't know whether Hashirama defeated Madara in a 1on1 battle, all we know is, that Madara was known as a true legend, an invincible and immortal ninja and the strongest Uchiha ever. Even without the Rinnegan, Madara would defeat Nagato in any case. EMS Madara will defeat Nagato, EMS Madara with Senju Hashiramas genes and the wood release will destroy Nagato, EMS Madara with Senju Hashiramas genes and the wood release and also the Rinnegan will destroy Nagato in any case. Itachi with his MS ist about Nagatos level, they're both playing in the same league, that's fact. It should be clear, that an EMS user like Madara would defeat Nagato. In the case that Itachi would obtain the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan, he would be obviously on a higher level than Nagato. And the current Madara, which possesses the EMS, Rinnegan and the wood release and is Kabutos trump card, could not defeat Nagato?

End this discussion, Madara is stronger than Nagato.

 

[pensilol]

Madara would destroy Nagato even without the Rinnegan. He possesses the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan, that's enough to defeat Nagato. Already the Mangekyō Sharingan is overwhelming. It gives you powerful Genjutsus - strong enough to control even the Kyuubi, also Amaterasu, which will hit Nagato in any case, because it arises directly in front of his body, and on top Susanoo, the perfect attack with the perfect defense. The Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan is the higher stage of the Mangekyō Sharingan and gives you according to Itachi true power. With this unstoppable power, Madara took control over every shinobi clan the Uchiha encountered (Stated by Itachi, chapter 386, page 10). Also Tsunade said, that Madara is more than a man, she said that Madara is an ideal, the name itself is power. Madaras hype is 100 times bigger than Hashiramas, we don't know whether Hashirama defeated Madara in a 1on1 battle, all we know is, that Madara was known as a true legend, an invincible and immortal ninja and the strongest Uchiha ever. Even without the Rinnegan, Madara would defeat Nagato in any case. EMS Madara will defeat Nagato, EMS Madara with Senju Hashiramas genes and the wood release will destroy Nagato, EMS Madara with Senju Hashiramas genes and the wood release and also the Rinnegan will destroy Nagato in any case. Itachi with his MS ist about Nagatos level, they're both playing in the same league, that's fact. It should be clear, that an EMS user like Madara would defeat Nagato. In the case that Itachi would obtain the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan, he would be obviously on a higher level than Nagato. And the current Madara, which possesses the EMS, Rinnegan and the wood release and is Kabutos trump card, could not defeat Nagato?

End this discussion, Madara is stronger than Nagato.

How would EMS Madara beat Nagato ?

 

[Raito]

How Nagato would beat EMS Madara? How Nagato could beat Itachi, so match his powerful genjutsus? Itachi would defeat Nagato, because he's smarter and has an advantage due to his genjutsus.

Can Nagato repel Amaterasu? No he can't. Amaterasu arises directly before Nagato and hits him. After Nagato got hit by these devastating flames, he can repel repel it away from his body - with a following interval of this technique. Eyes are for example very sensitive. One hit by this devastating flame directly into his face would burn out his eyes - thus destroying his abilities.

Can Nagato damage Susanoo without his trump card Chibaku Tensei? According to Darui no one was able to survive A's Raiga Bomu - Sasuke survived with only the thorax of his Susanoo. So if a lot of people can survive strong Shinra Tenseis, means that a Raiga Bomu is stronger? I think so, because his Raiga Bomu shattered the whole ground. So if Susanoos thorax provides protection against A's Raiga Bomu and an incomplete Susanoo was also able to withstand a combination from Danzos Fuuton and the suction of Danzos huge summon with damage, then Susanoo will also withstand any Shinra Tensei. Against Totsuka Nagato can't do anything too.

As you see, Itachi is on Nagatos level and can also defeat him. EMS Madara is a different level, he's a legend hasn't the Mangekyo, but the Eternal Mangekyo! And here we talking even about a Madara, who possesses the Rinnegan and Hashiramas strength besides the EMS.

 

[Sadra1122]

I'd say madara

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Madara would destroy Nagato even without the Rinnegan. He possesses the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan, that's enough to defeat Nagato. Already the Mangekyō Sharingan is overwhelming. It gives you powerful Genjutsus - strong enough to control even the Kyuubi, also Amaterasu, which will hit Nagato in any case, because it arises directly in front of his body, and on top Susanoo, the perfect attack with the perfect defense. The Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan is the higher stage of the Mangekyō Sharingan and gives you according to Itachi true power. With this unstoppable power, Madara took control over every shinobi clan the Uchiha encountered (Stated by Itachi, chapter 386, page 10). Also Tsunade said, that Madara is more than a man, she said that Madara is an ideal, the name itself is power. Madaras hype is 100 times bigger than Hashiramas, we don't know whether Hashirama defeated Madara in a 1on1 battle, all we know is, that Madara was known as a true legend, an invincible and immortal ninja and the strongest Uchiha ever. Even without the Rinnegan, Madara would defeat Nagato in any case. EMS Madara will defeat Nagato, EMS Madara with Senju Hashiramas genes and the wood release will destroy Nagato, EMS Madara with Senju Hashiramas genes and the wood release and also the Rinnegan will destroy Nagato in any case. Itachi with his MS ist about Nagatos level, they're both playing in the same league, that's fact. It should be clear, that an EMS user like Madara would defeat Nagato. In the case that Itachi would obtain the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan, he would be obviously on a higher level than Nagato. And the current Madara, which possesses the EMS, Rinnegan and the wood release and is Kabutos trump card, could not defeat Nagato?

End this discussion, Madara is stronger than Nagato.

1. rinnegan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.....EMS
2. the mo ****ing rinnegan gives u monster amounts of chakra , therefore a chakra flow disturbance would break stuff like tsukoyomi
3.amaterasu would be absorbed by the preta path jutsu
4.susanoo has a weak spot... the bottom , shinra tensei is all that is required for susanoo , susanoo cannot tank a village and its people and make the biggest crater in anime history(since dbz/dbgt , and nagato did it in his weakest state )
5.susanoo hurts itachi he wouldnt be able to hold it for long
6.nagato wasnt a leader of a legendary clan , thus less famous , nagato ... the meaning of destruction and power to its purest form
7.shinra tensei and bansho tenin easily stops mokuton
8.itachi cant scratch nagato without full info , if naruto didnt have intel on nagato when he fought NARUTO(stronger than itachi)BEE(stronger than itachi) and poor old itachi , they wouldve died
9.they thought madara was tobi , its about tactics , it turned the tide of the battle because the whole shinobi allied force had to change plans etc.
10.your all hype and no logic

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

How Nagato would beat EMS Madara? How Nagato could beat Itachi, so match his powerful genjutsus? Itachi would defeat Nagato, because he's smarter and has an advantage due to his genjutsus.

Can Nagato repel Amaterasu? No he can't. Amaterasu arises directly before Nagato and hits him. After Nagato got hit by these devastating flames, he can repel repel it away from his body - with a following interval of this technique. Eyes are for example very sensitive. One hit by this devastating flame directly into his face would burn out his eyes - thus destroying his abilities.

Can Nagato damage Susanoo without his trump card Chibaku Tensei? According to Darui no one was able to survive A's Raiga Bomu - Sasuke survived with only the thorax of his Susanoo. So if a lot of people can survive strong Shinra Tenseis, means that a Raiga Bomu is stronger? I think so, because his Raiga Bomu shattered the whole ground. So if Susanoos thorax provides protection against A's Raiga Bomu and an incomplete Susanoo was also able to withstand a combination from Danzos Fuuton and the suction of Danzos huge summon with damage, then Susanoo will also withstand any Shinra Tensei. Against Totsuka Nagato can't do anything too.

As you see, Itachi is on Nagatos level and can also defeat him. EMS Madara is a different level, he's a legend hasn't the Mangekyo, but the Eternal Mangekyo! And here we talking even about a Madara, who possesses the Rinnegan and Hashiramas strength besides the EMS.

intel
nagato=itachi

nagatos chakra is too powerful to have tsukoyomi sustained against him

nagato doesnt repel , he absorbs , increasing his own chakra

the interval was only for deva path techniques and the interval is shorter the less chakra is used , nagato is fast too you know even with the burns on his legs

raiga bomb is destroying 20ft of soft ground

shinra tensei is destroying 12k cubed thick ground
ST is far weaker than CT and shinra tensei is enough to beat susanoo, also susanoo has a weak spot at the feet , so ST does the job easy

itachi would only beat nagato if nagato cannot use rinnegan techniques and even then the fight is close , i rest my case