It doesn't matter if Jiraiya had Sage mode longer, the Strenght of Sage mode is determined by how much Natural energy you can evenly mix with yours, Jiraiya wasn't able to have natural chakra balance with his and was as strong as he was because of this, he was really strong and his fusion with Ma and Pa toad really makes his better than Naruto's but Naruto sage mode is stronger than Jiraiya's chakra wise and power wise. Naruto was able to perfectly balance his chakra with natural chakra allow him to hold more sage chakra which made him physically stronger, jutsus power increased, sensory ability the strongest in the manga yet in battle and tracking. If Naruto can fuse with Ma and Pa toad then he would be stronger than most kages and other ninjas. Naruto vs Jiraiya in frog kata, Naruto would win from being physically stronger, more enhanced durability, endurance, agility, sensory ability and increased jutsus (taijutsu).
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It doesn't matter if Jiraiya had Sage mode longer, the Strenght of Sage mode is determined by how much Natural energy you can evenly mix with yours, Jiraiya wasn't able to have natural chakra balance with his and was as strong as he was because of this, he was really strong and his fusion with Ma and Pa toad really makes his better than Naruto's but Naruto sage mode is stronger than Jiraiya's chakra wise and power wise. Naruto was able to perfectly balance his chakra with natural chakra allow him to hold more sage chakra which made him physically stronger, jutsus power increased, sensory ability the strongest in the manga yet in battle and tracking. If Naruto can fuse with Ma and Pa toad then he would be stronger than most kages and other ninjas. Naruto vs Jiraiya in frog kata, Naruto would win from being physically stronger, more enhanced durability, endurance, agility, sensory ability and increased jutsus (taijutsu).
Stop saying lies, Sage mode Naruto was stated to be stronger than MS Sasuke by Zetsu before the kage summit. The EMS is not Sasuke's if he did not awakened them without the use assists, Itachi's eyes are Itachi's eyes and using them is using someone else's power as you seem to keep saying Naruto uses the fox powers. Sasuke said himself the he can feel Itachi's powers flowing inside him also proving its not his. As for MS, Itachi planned to die by Sasuke's hand since he left Konoha (stated by Tobi) and could had killed Sasuke in the fight if he wanted to. Itachi was dying from a disease and used medicine to prolong his life so was no where his fully healed limit against Sasuke. Sasuke in killed Itachi pushing him to his (sicken) limit and push Sasuke to his (healthy) limit which was Itachi's plan to seprate Orochimaru from Sasuke (tobi stated). So if you want to put Sasuke's power that he earned threw training ( jounin level with 3 tomoe) vs Sage Mode Naruto (kage). If you want to count MS then you can but the Sasuke would be blind right now and with his sight he would be physically weaken and drained alot of chakra with each MS jutsus and he favors the two that does the most harm, Sasunoo and Amaterasu.
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1. sasuke used the aid of the curse mark for a while
2. trained for years with Orochimaru
3. had to kill him while he was sick and in bed.
4. Itachi was already going to die soon as well when sasuke "killed" him.
5. Soon after Sasuke was done being Orochimarus tool, he became Tobi's tool.
6. He is far weaker in Will (and no doubt intelligence) than Naruto.
2. trained for years with Orochimaru
3. had to kill him while he was sick and in bed.
4. Itachi was already going to die soon as well when sasuke "killed" him.
5. Soon after Sasuke was done being Orochimarus tool, he became Tobi's tool.
6. He is far weaker in Will (and no doubt intelligence) than Naruto.
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So to you Madara power is only his MS and not his brother eyes.
Well, it is true in that perspective. Madara would be blind too! And then even i could kick him in the balls.
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Well, it is true in that perspective. Madara would be blind too! And then even i could kick him in the balls.
Lol see we can agree on something.
Yeah, unless you trained to get that power or naturally born with it then it's not really yours because you don't deserve to call it yours unless you put the work in. The Rinnegan isn't his either since he took Hashimara's cells to get it. You got to agree that both Sasuke and Naruto's strenghts are due to their DNA that are traced back to the Sage from his sons. The Sage gave his older son his "Eyes" (powerful chakra and spiritual chakra) and gave his younger son his "body" (will/lifeforce/stamina and physically energy). The Sage created the tailed Beasts and left ways to control or house them, one was leaving his older son with a tablet describing how to control the tailed beasts and pasted down the sealing jutsu to create Jinchuurikis like himself. Decendants of the younger son are able to hold tailed beasts as shown with Mito, Kushina and Naruto. Even tho Naruto never asked for the Fox and how much pain it caused both Sasuke and him Naruto managed to take away 5/9 of the fox chakra and Bee said it's his no matter what.
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No someone said that MS is only Sasuke power since he got EMS form Itachi eyes and I said that the same like Madara only power was his MS and not his EMS.
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Lol yeah I know many people have told me to get it back so I will but not today maybe tomorrow.
Sasuke even said Orochimaru was weaken which "helped alot
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Sasuke would have died without using Manda (Orochimaru's power, Sasuke couldn't use snake summon before absorbing Orochimaru or after losing him). Means he had help, here's another use of Orochimaru's power.
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Sasuke had help against Danzo, he was stabbed in the chest and Karin healed him. The fight wasn't over yet since Danzo was still alive.
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Sasuke suffered alot of damage from the Raikage and was clearly hurt badly
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first page ask if its the end of Sasuke (Gaara saved him)
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Gaara said the Raikage would further be injuried (not killed) and he wanted to talk to Sasuke (meaning he wouldn't be able to talk to Sasuke after the Raikage's attack. Clearly the Raikage would have won.
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Sasuke had help in all the fights you mentioned
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Are you kidding me do not take credit away from him vs. Danzo and other please don't.
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umm he pushed itachi to his limit? i thought it was very clear that wasnt true when tobi said "itachi could have killed you at any point during that fight if he wished to do so". Umm yeah. Sasuke saw through the genjitsu but itachi broke the genjitsu himself. U can see u are in a genjitsu but breaking it is a whole other story. Considering tsukuyomi people still debate whether or not he actually broke it. My belief is itachi let him. OR itachi broke it for him. So idk what ur saying.... Ummm considering Naruto vs sasuke ill say Sasuke is stronger right now withotu contest. Naruto needs a new power up. Which is why they havent even shown sasuke on the battlefield yet. I think naruto will gain that power up in this fight with tobi. But for now Sasuke Is definitely stronger. anyone who doesnt see this logic is a retard. And u are a sasuke fanboy. but there isnt anything wrong about that. everyone is a fan of a certain character. but so u dont argue with sasuke vs itachi remember dude. MS sasuke fought danzo. danzo saw itachi for the last time at age 13. and when he saw what sasuke is capable of he said this "compared to itachi's tsukuyomi where he could alter time at his whim.... u are as far below itachi as the land is below the sky."
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You do know Danzo was also holding Back right?
He was Saving chakra so he could Fight Tobi.
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Nah this is stupid. Ill admit sasuke gets help in his fights but ur being a sasuke hater like everyone else is. Sasuke beat deidara fair and square. he mind controlled manda. He didnt borrow manda. He used his skill to take manda. against danzo ill admit if danzo had koto amatsukami in hand OR if tobi wasnt standing there and danzo had to plan ahead for his fight against tobi danzo would have won. But shit happens. And danzo lost to sasuke. he misconcieved and made a wrong judgement that sasuke would stop fighting if he took karin hostage. he was wrong and that cost him his life. sasuke won fair and square. Agaisnt orochimaru obviously sasuke didnt win. That was orochimarus plan the entire time anyways. Sasuke never killed orochimaru. he was going to take sasuke's body anyways. Itachi is the one who beat orochimaru. not sasuke. Dude i dont get why people keep saying sasuke wasnt going to kill raikage and gaara saved raikage. Gaara said that raikage was going to lose if he didnt stop him. he said raikage was falling into sasukes trap. Did you not see the freakin amaterasu wall sasuke had placed for raikages next attack? raikage lost his arm. sasuke had just unleashed his 2nd form of susanoo. lol sure my friend. sasuke had lost for sure lol.... Sasuke was definitely and clearly the winner of that fight. Gaara stopped raikage before he jumped into a pit of amaterasu. lol. Raikage was an idiot. if you think by any chance raikage would have won then u are just going by ur hate towards sasuke.... I thought it was clear as **** sasuke dominated raikage. raikage had no clue wtf was going on lol. he was like how isnt he dying? he still didnt figure out that sasuke had a susanoo around him lol. by the time he figured that out i wonder how many of his limbs would be gone
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Naruto is better than Sasuke. Sasuke needed training from a Sannin also (Orochimaru). Sasuke has no respect for the Ninja World. Too cocky and overdosed on confidence. He came to the Five Kage Summit thinking he could be them all when he could barely take on the Raikage.
Naruto is better than Sasuke. Sasuke needed training from a Sannin also (Orochimaru). Sasuke has no respect for the Ninja World. Too cocky and overdosed on confidence. He came to the Five Kage Summit thinking he could be them all when he could barely take on the Raikage.
Find MS can be considered as Sasuke's but you have to remember MS has weaknesses:
1) Weaken the user physically right after use:
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2) weaken the user's sight:
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3) drains alot of chakra:
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Why, you did it to Naruto and his fights, Sasuke was stabbed and was weaken just like Danzo was and without Karin he would have died. Either by Danzo (it would be 50 50 chance for both) or if he still killed Danzo he wouldn't be fast enough to evade Danzo's sealing jutsu So Sasuke had help with Danzo.
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Sasuke used Ororchimaru's power to summon Manda, he haven't ever used Snakes until he absorbed Orochimaru and haven't after. He used Orochimaru's power to use snakes just like Kabuto is currently doing. Kabuto summoned snakes twice before taking Orochimaru's cells and both times he did it for Orochimaru by putting Orochimaru's blood on his seal and did the hand signs for him. The only person ever to use snakes without Orochimaru's cells or Orochimaru sealed in them was Anko. Sasuke didn't really beat Deidara, he survived the battle or more accurate the atomic blast. For Danzo, it was Karin who healed him after Danzo and Sasuke stabbed each other and if Karin didn't heal him then he wouldn't be able to evade Danzo's sealing jutsu when he kill him. For the Raikage, Sasuke already have Amaterasu covering Sasunoo when the Raikage hit him and you see Sasuke felt it then the Raikage said (already know Amaterasu is around Sasuke by seeing it around him for the 2nd time) Sasuke's done for.
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Sasuke's covered Sasunoo with Amaerasu.
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The Raikage hits Sasuke even with Sasunoo covered in Amaterasu.
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as the Raikage is going for the killing blow the page asked if it's the end for Sasuke. Amaterasu wouldn't stop the Raikage's kick since Amaterasu is ment to burn and nothing more and if the Raikage still have his arm (Amaterasu on it) then I serious doubt the flame would burn the Raikage's leg before hitting Sasuke. In fact the Raikage's leg would be covered in Amaterasu as the Raikage kick hit him dealing in more damage by catching Sasuke on fire. Sasunoo isn't protecting Sasuke where the Raikage was going to kick him. Gaara sand is solid in the way that it can be standed on but the Amaterasu a fire and wouldn't block a attack from someone with with the power,durability,endurance as the Raikage had with his tailed beast chakra level armor around him.
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Gaara said he stopped the Raikage so he's not harmed even more not killed, and he wanted to talk to Sasuke, If Sasuke was going to win then Gaara wouldn't sugar coat it and wouldn't said :and I wanted to talk to Sasuke" because he could of talked to Sasuke after the Raikage died but the that's not the cast. Sasuke didn't fully activate Sasunoo until after Gaara tried to convince him to leave the darkness and most likely couldn't before since Sasunoo is till new to him and not as strong as it will be later on. the Raikage was talking about the more active Sasunoo and clearly saw Sasunoo's ribs.
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Danzo fault, Danzo clearly underestimated him by dying on purpose then when he realized Sasuke was a real threat it was too late.
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