Hiruzen in his Prime The God Of Shinobis Vs Itachi Uchiha

[King of Hell]

Despite his status as a wanted criminal, and having wiped out his clan

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That link just takes me to a picture of a camera for sale.

 

[gaifan]

the 3rd sooo easy like no dif at all

 

[Vexorian]

Oh hey by the way I guess all you can do is call me a fanboy, but I issued a challenge up there.

This is the path of failures, people know that all they have is hype and they know that they can't make a legitimate battle scenario and so they insult me instead as a fanboy.

How have I been acting like a fanboy? For having an opinion and being willing to back it up with reason?

Oh by the way your little bucket of fail post is retarded. The databook, and the manga acknowledge that Oro has way more jutsu than Hiruzen, yet Oro got dominated by Itachi not once but twice.

Check me if I am wrong, go to the databook. Oro has more knowledge of jutsus than Hiruzen. So where is that argument now?

All of Oro's knowledge of jutsus wouldn't have saved him from a four-tailed Naruto, and it didn't save him from Itachi, so what makes you think that having a huge arsenal of jutsus gives him an automatic win?

Itachi might have way fewer jutsus but his actually do damage, and if you get hit by an one of them then you lose. If I am correct we saw Hiruzen do five jutsus against oro and his Edo's and you know what happened? Nothing. He pulled a loss against Oro with a jutsu that is supposed to guarantee a draw.

Well....Orochimaru was only fighting a losing battle against the 4/9 tails cuz he was sick as **** >.>

 

[Amantius]

God of Shinobi is a bit much. He may have been strong but the only god like character is the SO6P. I guess if I went by the Info you put I would say Sarutobi Sensei wins. But if we go by what we have seen in the Manga/anime then I would have to say Itachi takes it. Considering Itachi was stronger and more skilled then Lord Orochimaru at that time.

Well, sarutobi was old correct? and we are speaking about his prime and yeah we can because of how people around him describe how he was.

 

[King of Hell]

Well, sarutobi was old correct? and we are speaking about his prime and yeah we can because of how people around him describe how he was.

They didn't describe his jutsu. Whether they described him doesn't really matter because we haven't seen proof. Even in his prime how is he gonna beat somebody who destroyed Orochimaru easily.

 

[Amantius]

They didn't describe his jutsu. Whether they described him doesn't really matter because we haven't seen proof. Even in his prime how is he gonna beat somebody who destroyed Orochimaru easily.

Yes it doesn't matter, because KISHI MADE 5 PEOPLE IN HIS STORY SAY HIS CHAKRA capacity WAS OFF THE CHARTS, HE COULD SUMMONS CLONES OUT OF SHURIKENS AND IF YOU KILL THOSE MULTI MORE WOULD TAKE THEIR PLACE, along with 1000 jutsu learned, ALSO HE WAS SAID TO BE THE STRONGEST OF ALL THE 5 Kage.
A writer idc who they are would not repeat this over and over in their book if they did not want people to believe that, and at no point in the story did he had someone said other wise.

Even his monkey Enma say this was a push over of his former self(because he was the sht-and he was also the sht who promoted Itachi to anbu, and fought for the uchiha survival=fail but he tryed.


ty have a good day.

 

[King of Hell]

Yes it doesn't matter, because KISHI MADE 5 PEOPLE IN HIS STORY SAY HIS CHAKRA capacity WAS OFF THE CHARTS, HE COULD SUMMONS CLONES OUT OF SHURIKENS AND IF YOU KILL THOSE MULTI MORE WOULD TAKE THEIR PLACE"S, ALSO HE WAS SAID TO BE THE STRONGEST OF ALL THE 5 Kage.
A writer idc who they are would not repeat this over and over in their book if they did not want people to believe that, and at no point in the story did he had someone said other wise.


ty have a good day.

 

[El Joker Es Loco 13]

that would be a good one

 

[Raito]

Uchihas are the gods of the Naruto manga. The strongest and main characters are the Uchihas. Itachi Uchiha, Sasuke Uchiha, Shisui Uchiha, Madara Uchiha. A part of the strongest characters. Madara, a true legend and master of the Sharingan, Itachi, a very powerful Shinobi which use the Mangekyo and is known for his strength. Sasuke, alias Madara junior, the next owner of the eternal Mangekyou and the final opponent of Naruto - with the fact, that Sasuke isn't as good as Itachi or never mind Madara in handling the Sharingan. Already the Mangekyou gives you a divine power, according to Itachi the eternal Mangekyo is the "true" power.

Against the Uchihas and their power, Hiruzen is a kage among many - like the Raikages, Mizukages, Tsuchikages, etc. Of course, Hiruzen is strong, but not a legend.

 

[Hamlet]

Uchihas are the gods of the Naruto manga. The strongest and main characters are the Uchihas. Itachi Uchiha, Sasuke Uchiha, Shisui Uchiha, Madara Uchiha. A part of the strongest characters. Madara, a true legend and master of the Sharingan, Itachi, a very powerful Shinobi which use the Mangekyo and is known for his strength. Sasuke, alias Madara junior, the next owner of the eternal Mangekyou and the final opponent of Naruto - with the fact, that Sasuke isn't as good as Itachi or never mind Madara in handling the Sharingan. Already the Mangekyou gives you a divine power, according to Itachi the eternal Mangekyo is the "true" power.

Against the Uchihas and their power, Hiruzen is a kage among many - like the Raikages, Mizukages, Tsuchikages, etc. Of course, Hiruzen is strong, but not a legend.

He was said to be god amosngt shinobi once, to be thats legend worthy :|

 

[Raito]

He was a legend in the old Naruto story, in the young chapters of the Manga. Now we're know, that Hashirama was the strongest Hokage and that there were other legends.

 

[zakdude2]

hiruzen will win

 

[Vayne]

yeah maybe your righht

 

[Raito]

In your opinion Itachi gonna loose any fight .

In face of Itachis Mangekyo Sharingan, Hiruzen is powerless. Genjutsus, Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Susanoo, that's a whole different level than Hiruzen.

 

[Desmodus]

I´ve read the whole debate (it took me a sec, right) and I have to vote for Itachi with high difficulty. In the beginning I wasn´t sure, but some posts made my choice

 

[siyo]

Whilst its true that tobirama and hashirama arguably has counters for ms, why would they teach sarutobi this. Afterall there was no need anymore since there was a treaty between the uchiha and senju. A village has been established.

Common sense dictates that they passed it down to him. Just because they aren’t enemies anymore doesn’t mean they can’t be in the future. Anything else would be naive and stupid...

Ill challenge the bold part. Firstly in his old age oro couldve defeated him if he was serious. Oro the fool greatly underestimated him. Also although the 1st and 2nd were summoned they were no where near their prime. You could argue they were either high chunnin or low jonin level. Do not for a second believe that what we saw from the edo hokages showed their true powers.

Lol, what are you talking about? I lol’d at chunnin rank…

Please back up your claim because I can provide you with

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suggesting that their power levels are exactly the same, by the way, not just from

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. This might be the biggest misconception in NB. Hashirama and Tobirama fought with the same power as they had in life. Now, you can debate whether or not they were still in their prime since they both died around 50, because we all know shinobi peak at a different time - this is of course assuming that the edo’s are summoned right before death.

The fact the fight was too short for either of them to showcase more techniques, doesn't change the fact that both of them had access to their best moves (except Tobirama’s Edo and Hashirama’s pets).A lot of folks fail to realize that Hiruzen almost instantly realized that he couldn't take them all on at the same time. This was largely due to his condition plus his knowledge regarding the skill levels of his opponents; thus he resorted to capturing them and sealing them with the death god jutsu. He brilliantly played possum and deliberately took punishment just so he could catch Oro off guard and he would have stopped Oro for good had he been a decade younger..

What i will also say is that the 3rd raikage is something else. I believe even if sarutobi was in his prime if he was to win this fight against the 3rd raikage he wouldve had to have pulled out all the stops and maybe even use the death god tech.
What i will also say is that onoki in his old age seems more impressive than sarutobi in his old age.

You’re challenging Kishi, not me. People just don’t call you the strongest hokage of all time (Iruka with hiruzen standing right next to him), the strongest Kage of his era ( Databook), and even the strongest at the time of his death(Kabuto) without you actually deserving it; hence his great monikers God of shinibo and the professor . Kishi’s actually boosting Hiruzen even further by drawing how powerful the other kages were, because I can’t imagine a lot of folks dealing with jinton or the iron man himself.I agree they look m ore impressive but, then again, we have seen much more from them.

Btw can you link me to the fan book plz

Did a quick search and found this from another website ( was published december 2009):

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Many should now be known to the Fanbook celebrating the 10th Anniversary of Naruto is about to be released in a few days, specifically the 4th of December, and I have decided to create this thread as the subject hasn't been mentioned recentlyArtwork
Hokage Naruto
Shinobi
Shinobi with Sasuke
Naruto #1
Naruto #2
Naruto with Shuriken
Shinobi Gathering
Shinobi #1
Shinobi #2
Naruto and Sasuke
Naruto with Kunai
Faces of Kakashi #1
Faces of Kakashi #2
Faces of Kakashi #3

Translation by Yasha
Q: Is Hidan still alive? (Q:飛段はまだ生きてますか?)
A: Hidan is alive. However, if he doesn't get nutrition he will die, he's slowly rotting away. (A:飛段は生きてます。でも栄養取らないと死んじゃうし、そろそろ腐ってるねコレ。)


Interesting Facts:
Rikudou was known as "Shinobi God"; Sarutobi must have been godly.
Onoki is Sandaime Tsuchikage.
Killa A(killa Ei), the Raikage is the Yondaime(Lol Killa A and Killa B).
Kurotsuchi is a female.
Hidan is still alive.
Zabuza attempted to assassinate Yondaime Mizukage.
Terumi Mei is Godaime Mizukage.
Kurotsuchi(tsuchikage guard) is female.
All the Jinchuuriki extracted are dead, except Gaara.
Ninja cats can be summoned, but they are not as obedient as dogs.
Darui's bloodline limit is confirmed.
Shi's Genjutsu was a Lightning Release.
Yondaime fought Madara whilst battling against the Kyuubi.
The Rinnegan techniques are all Doujutsu-based abilities.
Kumogakure is the strongest village.
Gaara's absolute defense is in good form, despite not being a Jinchuuriki.
Yondaime, Sakumo, and Hanzo were heroes of war.
Tsuchikage's Dust Release arranges molecules.
Kankuro is the Sand's greatest puppeteer.
Kumogakure prides Ninjutsu, Taijutsu and Kenjutsu.
Hiruzen in his Prime was able to counter every Leaf Jutsu in Existance including all MS and EMS skills.
When fighting Hashirama, Madara did not have his Time/Space Jutsu

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Anyhow, we agree on the match.Only people with more hype are people like Nagato, Tobi and current Kabuto.Minato was very close and he would have surpassed him had he lived on...

 

[uchich represenative]

itachi mid dif

 

[Saw Pipee]

Ok thanks man. I wasn't all too sure lol

 

[novacore]

hiruzen is the best.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Common sense dictates that they passed it down to him. Just because they aren’t enemies anymore doesn’t mean they can’t be in the future. Anything else would be naive and stupid...



Lol, what are you talking about? I lol’d at chunnin rank…

Please back up your claim because I can provide you with

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suggesting that their power levels are exactly the same, by the way, not just from

You must be registered for see links

. This might be the biggest misconception in NB. Hashirama and Tobirama fought with the same power as they had in life. Now, you can debate whether or not they were still in their prime since they both died around 50, because we all know shinobi peak at a different time - this is of course assuming that the edo’s are summoned right before death.

The fact the fight was too short for either of them to showcase more techniques, doesn't change the fact that both of them had access to their best moves (except Tobirama’s Edo and Hashirama’s pets).A lot of folks fail to realize that Hiruzen almost instantly realized that he couldn't take them all on at the same time. This was largely due to his condition plus his knowledge regarding the skill levels of his opponents; thus he resorted to capturing them and sealing them with the death god jutsu. He brilliantly played possum and deliberately took punishment just so he could catch Oro off guard and he would have stopped Oro for good had he been a decade younger..




You’re challenging Kishi, not me. People just don’t call you the strongest hokage of all time (Iruka with hiruzen standing right next to him), the strongest Kage of his era ( Databook), and even the strongest at the time of his death(Kabuto) without you actually deserving it; hence his great monikers God of shinibo and the professor . Kishi’s actually boosting Hiruzen even further by drawing how powerful the other kages were, because I can’t imagine a lot of folks dealing with jinton or the iron man himself.I agree they look m ore impressive but, then again, we have seen much more from them.




Did a quick search and found this from another website ( was published december 2009):

Spoiler

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Anyhow, we agree on the match.Only people with more hype are people like Nagato, Tobi and current Kabuto.Minato was very close and he would have surpassed him had he lived on...

Dude Kabuto never said that Hiruzen was the strongest Kage at the time of his death. Because that is as untrue as untrue can get.

If need be I can list the kages who were alive when Hiruzen died.

Hiruzen loses to literally every single one. At the absolute most he might be able to pull a draw with Mei by death reaper seal, but he loses soundly to Onoki, A, Gaara, and Nagato.

Nagato was a kage by the way, as was Orochimaru. Oro was kage of the Sound, and Nagato was Kage of the Rain.

Kabuto was only talking about Hiruzen in his prime. In fact he said "in his era".

And even that is debatable, highly debatable as I don't see how Hiruzen would hurt the third raikage at all, or a younger Onoki who would have more chakra and less back problems than he does now.