Hiruzen in his Prime The God Of Shinobis Vs Itachi Uchiha
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You are a ultra fanboy. Hiruzen is the closest thing to SO6P?
Oh my god. This thread and your post is so full of fail it is ridiculous.
So apparently Hiruzen is better than Madara, and Nagato, and Tobi, and so many others that would just trounce him.
Why the **** do you think Hiruzen is so gatdam awesome?
He doesn't have as many jutsus as Orochimaru. He doesn't have any KG. He doesn't have any unique qualities like Minato's speed or Tobirama's water mastery, or Tsunade's strength.
Hiruzen was known for being a jack of all trades kind of ninja, doing well in everything instead of being the best at any one thing.
He is not that awesome, and you overrating him to compare him to the SO6P just pisses me off to now end.
Don't respond anymore please because everyone has seen the level of fanboyism that comes from you.
Did you say MS sasuke can't be compared to MS Itachi? lol i'll give you the gen jutsu part and his weapons only. Kishi has establish that Sasuke ms ability was more keen that Itachi. I bet itachi shit his pants when he realize that tsukuyomi can be broken. Ms sasuke speed in terms of Tai jutsu and speed are faster than itachi, this you should know. Don't get me wrong sure itachi could have killed Sasuke at the time when he had no ms, but that doesn't mean sasuke was not fast and smart just like him. Sasuke has taken Ms to a hole Knew level, and i think you intertwine those into what you believe Itachi could do. ( i am not doubting itachi ability, just saying Kishi shown and even made his character state that Sasuke MS ability was better. ( The only thing Itachi has over Sasuke is those weapons but in terms of using ms in a one on one fight Sasuke is better because he is more creative and has good selects of things to over come certain situations)
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Are you for real? Itachi not only knew Sasuke could break out of Tsukuyomi, he wanted him to.
MS Sasuke didn't get a speed boost from 3-tomoe Sasuke. Only people who can't read think that. Neither MS or EMS gives you a speed boost. They just don't.
The only thing that MS Sasuke had better than Itachi was his control of Amaterasu. And it wasn't shown just how good Itachi is with it, because he didn't actually want to kill Sasuke.
When i said Ms speed Sasuke i am saying he got much stronger than that since his battle with itachi. Think of it as Dragonball z every sayain get's stronger each battle, well in the Naruto series it's kinda no different when it come's to the Uchiha and it was always mention in the first couple series of the manga that uchiha have the abilities to surpass and get stronger which each battle.(example chunnin exams, when lee spoken about Sasuke, also Kakashi mention something about it as well.) What i am saying is Sasuke speed has gotten better since that fight, and well itachi speed has not because he died correct?
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You do know that Hiruzen died when he was like 68 right?
Hiruzen in his prime likely knew far less jutsus than he did in his old age, age=wisdom they say, and age=experience.
Itachi was the one who died when he was 21. And he didn't have a real sensei to help him like Naruto did because he was labeled as a criminal.
Considering all that Itachi did under those circumstances, and the fact that he was dying of disease the whole time, it is amazing that he isn't hailed as the greatest Uchiha. Though in a way he kind of is, considering that Tobi thought that only Sasuke would have the potential to become stronger than Itachi or Nagato.
Both of these may be stupid questions but can the sharingan, in any form, see where the FTG tech user will end up? For instence there are three marks and the 4th was transporting to one; could a sharingan user see which mark he was going to before hand? I imagine there must be some sort of flare of chakra when the mark is activated or at least some sort of conection between the user and the mark.
Also how does one create threads?
Also how does one create threads?
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No there isn't and no it can't.
The sharingan only predicts where the opponent will go through slight muscle movement and the way the body is moving.
It can't predict stuff like Naruto's chakra arms or anything that does not require physical movement.
Also it can track and predict almost any speed as long as it is linear speed, like Sasuke for instance could not predict where Bee's swords were going to go because the movement was counter-intuitive and changed directions rapidly.
The predicting ability of the sharingan is good for people moving in straight lines or taijutsu fights but not too much else.
XD he did have a real sensai, his dad, seeing how uchiha's kept the to them self when it came to curtain training. But ya not a really good sensai if you ask me. Not to sure if root or anbu would considered donzo a sensai no one knows. he was hailed one of the greats uchiha simple because the hype of the massacre that occurred. (too bad it was said that Madara help him there goes his reputation if you ask me) And yes itachi is my fav Naruto char, but that doesn't mean i consider him good enough to beat Prime Sarutobi maybe old 3th but not prime. Like i said i go by what kishi Made his ppl in his own story say how great he was.( you say less jutsu well if i remember correctly the jutsu from the pass is still being used even now. The book Naruto stole was said to contain the leaf most strongest jutsu and only few knew what it contain, and no doubt Sarutobi was one. ( and prime itachi would not have had ms, because if you remember when he got his ms the next few days he killed his clan, so as far as the sword and mirror well that's out the window if this is prime itachi.)
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Except that both the databooks and the manga say that Itachi never needed a sensei because he progressed so quickly on his own.
And if you read the manga you will see that when those three Uchiha police question Itachi about Shisui's death they come to him because they believe that he is the only one strong enough to kill Shisui. The Uchiha themselves thought that Itachi was the greatest Uchiha at that time, and he was a 13 year old without MS. That is like Sasuke or Naruto in part 1 trying to kill the strongest clan in the village. That shit is not happening.
You say prime Itachi. Itachi died at 21. There is no prime Itachi. Again unless you are looking to when he was not dying of disease, but that is when he was a 13 year old kid. Of course a kage is going to beat a 13 year old kid, no matter how good he is.
SO say what you want but you are clearly an Itachi hater. Had Itachi been given opportunities like Hiruzen then he could have easily been the best in the manga.
Lol how am i a Itachi hater? it's been in my info since the day i join that itachi was my fav, and i have said it many times in Sasuke vs Itachi threads. I simple can't put my fav person against someone the writer state is flawless; If i did it would be stupid because i am not the story teller. When i said Itachi prime i am talking age 9-18 because if i am not mistaken Kisame mention something about itachi got the sickness 2 to 3 years before he fought sasuke, so he kept himself alive with medication to fight his brother. I can't believe that you think i hate itachi lol i am like the ultimate Itachi fanboy who isn't a shame to say it, the differences is i am not crazy to stack him on someone he viewed as a mentor-yes i said mentor only because Tobi stated that Itachi "pleaded with the 3th" see if he did not said that i would feel that all itachi would have to do is threaten him like when he showed up to leaf to remind donzo and the elder's he is alive.( mainly to keep them in check) I see you as a man of logic right? so let me ask you a question even if it is stupid. Prime mike Tyson in the ring and you send in Manny Pacquiao, you telling me he is walking out the winner? Maybe that was a bit lame, hmm put Ali with Tyson in his prime(Ali represent Sarutobi-Itachi-Tyson) you telling me tyson winning?
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When did he say Hiruzen was flawless? This is what I am talking about, super hype that doesn't even come from the manga or databooks. The manga said he was one of the strongest kages of his generation. It says nothing about him being "flawless" or being the greatest ninja ever.
Why would Itachi threaten Hiruzen? Hiruzen didn't want to hurt Sasuke or the Uchiha, it was Danzo, and Danzo he did threaten. Plus he was ****ing 13 at that time, I mean how is a 13 year old kid going to stand up to a kage? This is what I am saying about hating Itachi. You keep viewing him unfairly because of that situation.
He asked Hiruzen to keep Sasuke alive and not tell him the truth about what happened because Hiruzen was nice and didn't want to kill the Uchiha. He threatened Danzo because Danzo was mean.
P.S. Please use paragraphs. It is too hard to read this, everytime I see a large block like this I have to try my hardest not to just skip it.
The Manga Said he was the strongest of all 5 kage's, Tobi also said he "pleaded with the 3th" which is why i said if he was strong he could have threaten.
Itachi is Epic and all, but i simple said earlier once's bringer of Darkness is used, Sharingon become's useless, because you said create a situation that was mine. Itachi may have been 13, but that's where his rep came from, him killing his clan. I don't see you keep saying he was young when in their world being considered a man is applied to you when you decided to be a Ninja, so age doesn't really matter. ( example--->Itachi being promoted to Anbu)
