Hiruzen in his Prime The God Of Shinobis Vs Itachi Uchiha

[Kakashi Fang]

hiruzen casts Bringer of darkness jutsu , the ultimate doujtusu killer... itachi's only way of escaping is hitting the caster... Itachi is no sensor , so once blind, amaterasu, tsukyomi, susanno , etc etc is all useless... making clones or something , hiruzen goes around susanno and delivers a killing blow

Just following your rules

Hiruzen cannot cast Bringer of Darkness jutsu even if he could it would not work on Itachi since he can use Demonic Illusion: Mirror Heaven and EArth change to reverse it back to Hiruzen.

 

[Owarij]

Itachi was in roots. From what i know danzo is the leader and knows about their techniques, but that doesnt mean sarutobi's does. Also root doesnt report to the hokage

Itachi wasn't in root, itachi was an anbu , Root have seals on their tounge etc, and answer to danzo personally... like kakashi itachi was an anbu, and a anbu captain at 13
. He reported to hiruzen, got assesed by hiruzen, promoted by hiruzen, danzo was who he answered too 2nd in command

Hiruzen cannot cast Bringer of Darkness jutsu even if he could it would not work on Itachi since he can use Demonic Illusion: Mirror Heaven and EArth change to reverse it back to Hiruzen.

mirror heaven seems to only work on mid to low level genjutsu, itachi told kurenai that low level type of genjtusu won't work on him, Bringer of darkness is an A rank

 

[Blaze Release]

Itachi wasn't in root, itachi was an anbu , Root have seals on their tounge etc, and answer to danzo personally... like kakashi itachi was an anbu, and a anbu captain at 13
. He reported to hiruzen, got assesed by hiruzen, promoted by hiruzen, danzo was who he answered too 2nd in command

I jus realised and about to delete it until you quoted that post xd

 

[Amantius]

You are wrong. If firstly we were to take what oro said word for word, that means he knows hidden techniques and kkg. That isnt true. Unless he speficically said he knows all non kkg or hidden techniques you cannot assume this.

At the highlighted part. You said konoha was a fresh vilage and talked about senju and uchiha. To my knowledge there were loads of clans, there or are we forgetting that the sannins (tsunade exculded), the elders, danzo and sarutobi himself are neither senju or uchiha

lol? so your saying the writer kishi is wrong, gee i never thought the writer of his own story can be wrong about something he writes lol. ( if this was not the case the writer would not make 3 people OP Hiruzen name.

 

[King of Hell]

God of Shinobi is a bit much. He may have been strong but the only god like character is the SO6P. I guess if I went by the Info you put I would say Sarutobi Sensei wins. But if we go by what we have seen in the Manga/anime then I would have to say Itachi takes it. Considering Itachi was stronger and more skilled then Lord Orochimaru at that time.

 

[Blaze Release]

lol? so your saying the writer kishi is wrong, gee i never thought the writer of his own story can be wrong about something he writes lol.

If what oro said was true we should take what he said word for word.
Which means sarutobi also knows kkg and hidden techniques.

Or are you questioning the writer?

 

[Blaze Release]

I do intend to also challenge and champion what oro said even if we take out kkg and hidden techniques. The reason sarutobi cannot possible have learnt/mastered all konoha jutsu is due to what kakashi said during naruto's training with fuuton ransengan but also during his fight with kakuzu.

There is the hint. Another hint is to do with nagato

 

[Amantius]

If what oro said was true we should take what he said word for word.
Which means sarutobi also knows kkg and hidden techniques.

Or are you questioning the writer?

Ofc he knew of kkg ability that doesn't mean he can do it without their blood lime limit, and there are really only 6 KKg ability in leaf, hyuuga, shino clan, and ino clan, nara clan, uchiha, and choji clan that has bloodline limit. you are comparing bloodline limit to thousand more ninjutsu, gentjusu, and taijutsu jutsu.
first of all when kishi made his own characters say a person mastered all the jutsu in his leaf it means he know and has counters for every single one of them if he doesn't know them. So if anything you are question kishi writing since he made like 5 dam people say hiruzen was OP. ( you know what i realize when you say KKG i think you should re look most of them seeing how Uchiha's had fire nature which let them use fire tec which other people can do, because its a ninjutsu--Hiruzen had fire nature he knew all those. the only argument you have in saying hiruzen don't have is Rotation, nara shadow, and the ability to make bug live inside you and maybe even expansion jutsu. but really sharingon ability is not really you want to argue against him seeing how you have to be born with it---The writer stated "leaf jutsu" not "clan Jutsu"

----If you want to talk about Rasengon, well here is the kicker-Jman did it right? the 3th grandson did it correct? did you know sarutobi clan is state to have the ability to master every high lvl tec with ease? that's their bloodline limit. Sarutobi seen death seal once's and could do it with so practice, i am sure he seen rasengon and chidori and knew how to do them, that doesn't mean he want's to rep other people jutsu.

 

[ZeroBeloved]

At the highlighted part. Who do you think you are fooling. Because you know that he cannot learn kkg technqiues or hidden techniques you modified what the manga said. To suit what you believe, which is that he has bringer of techniques.

This is what the manga says. Hiruzen was called The Professor (プロフェッサー, Purofessā), due to his mastery of all forms of shinobi combat, and his vast knowledge of techniques, purportedly knowing all the techniques within Konoha.

As the manga says he 'knows every technique within konoha' and since this cannot be right due to kkg and hidden techniques, this proves that he doesnt know every technique in konoha whether kkg, hidden or normal techniques that anybody can use.

For what it seems they were exaggerating about him learning loads of techniques, but definately not all. If you believe that, then you might as well believe zetsu's exaggeration of amaterasu when he said its as hot as the sun

it says he knows about, nothing about him being able to use it. big defference

 

[Owarij]

I do intend to also challenge and champion what oro said even if we take out kkg and hidden techniques. The reason sarutobi cannot possible have learnt/mastered all konoha jutsu is due to what kakashi said during naruto's training with fuuton ransengan but also during his fight with kakuzu.

There is the hint. Another hint is to do with nagato

As i already said, viz translations said, hiruzen once knew every existing konoha jutsu....ransengan and chidori may not count... kakshi wasn't even born when he got hit title as professor ... kkg = bloodline limits not jutsu, unles you're trying to refer to kekke totai or w.e the name is, where you fuse 2 elements to make 1? those are extremely rare... noone in konoha even has any now...what makes you think they had back then? well actually yamato seems to be the only kkg user...

 

[Blaze Release]

Ofc he knew of kkg ability that doesn't mean he can do it without their blood lime limit, and there are really only 6 KKg ability in leaf, hyuuga, shino clan, and ino clan, nara clan, uchiha, and choji clan that has bloodline limit. you are comparing bloodline limit to thousand more ninjutsu, gentjusu, and taijutsu jutsu.
first of all when kishi made his own characters say a person mastered all the jutsu in his leaf it means he know and has counters for every single one of them if he doesn't know them. So if anything you are question kishi writing since he made like 5 dam people say hiruzen was OP. ( you know what i realize when you say KKG i think you should re look most of them seeing how Uchiha's had fire nature which let them use fire tec which other people can do, because its a ninjutsu--Hiruzen had fire nature he knew all those. the only argument you have in saying hiruzen don't have is Rotation, nara shadow, and the ability to make bug live inside you and maybe even expansion jutsu. but really sharingon ability is not really you want to argue against him seeing how you have to be born with it---The writer stated "leaf jutsu" not "clan Jutsu"

----If you want to talk about Rasengon, well here is the kicker-Jman did it right? the 3th grandson did it correct? did you know sarutobi clan is state to have the ability to master every high lvl tec with ease? that's their bloodline limit. Sarutobi seen death seal once's and could do it with so practice, i am sure he seen rasengon and chidori and knew how to do them, that doesn't mean he want's to rep other people jutsu.

At the highlighted part, there is a difference between kkg and hidden techniques. Youve already made a mistake.

Even if you take out kg and hidden techniques. Sarutobi still cannot master every technique in konoha. Its impossible, kishi has already stated this. Read my previous post about the hints ive given

 

[Blaze Release]

it says he knows about, nothing about him being able to use it. big defference

Some people have translated this into him being able to perform all ninjutsu's in konoha

As i already said, viz translations said, hiruzen once knew every existing konoha jutsu....ransengan and chidori may not count... kakshi wasn't even born when he got hit title as professor ... kkg = bloodline limits not jutsu, unles you're trying to refer to kekke totai or w.e the name is, where you fuse 2 elements to make 1? those are extremely rare... noone in konoha even has any now...what makes you think they had back then? well actually yamato seems to be the only kkg user...

Even that he still doesnt how to use every ninjutsu in konoha even if you take out kg's and hidden techniques. As i said the clue is in what kakashi said during naruto's training, his fight with kakuzu, but also nagato

 

[opthomasprime]

roof tile shuriken...thats hilarious

 

[Owarij]

Some people have translated this into him being able to perform all ninjutsu's in konoha



Even that he still doesnt how to use every ninjutsu in konoha even if you take our kg's and hidden techniques. As i said the clue is in what kakashi said during naruto's training, his fight with kakuzu, but also nagato

and what clue was that?
during the fight with Kakuzu,Kakashi does say that it is surprising that Kakuzu can use such powerful techniques of each element. The explanation provided was that unless you have a tendency for a certain element your will not be able to reach a high level with that element, followed up from what kakashi told naruto viz translations best say most ninja are born with 2 AFFINITIES , by the time they are jounins they have unlocked those 2 afinnities and possibly master the elements..... It is possible to produce elements thats not your affinty , but it takes ALOT of works... It takes years to just master your 2 affinity elements, non affinity elements almost never show.... because the human life span is so short

Sharingan and rinnegan are two doujutsu that allows you to use elements that aren't your affinity.. with sharingan you can just copy, and not master the element... with rinnegan it allows you to master them all as if they were your affinity..


Can kakashi use the rest of elements? this has been a long debate..

but kakashi basically said himself, "Even my sharingan can't copy kkg " if he was unable to copy and produce the other elements , he wouldn't make a statement like that

 

[Blaze Release]

and what clue was that?
during the fight with Kakuzu,Kakashi does say that it is surprising that Kakuzu can use such powerful techniques of each element. The explanation provided was that unless you have a tendency for a certain element your will not be able to reach a high level with that element, followed up from what kakashi told naruto viz translations best say most ninja are born with 2 AFFINITIES , by the time they are jounins they have unlocked those 2 afinnities and possibly master the elements..... It is possible to produce elements thats not your affinty , but it takes ALOT of works... It takes years to just master your 2 affinity elements, non affinity elements almost never show.... because the human life span is so short

Sharingan and rinnegan are two doujutsu that allows you to use elements that aren't your affinity.. with sharingan you can just copy, and not master the element... with rinnegan it allows you to master them all as if they were your affinity..


Can kakashi use the rest of elements? this has been a long debate..

but kakashi basically said himself, "Even my sharingan can't copy kkg " if he was unable to copy and produce the other elements , he wouldn't make a statement like that

You have got the clue but its still not enough.
Allow me to explain, ill make this quick if i have enough time ill make a thread and explain fully.

Lets say your chakra is made up of 70% wind 20% fire 5% earth and 5% water. Nobody's chakra is 100% earth, water, tec. It consists of many natures but the dominant in this case is wind. Therefore the user is a wind user and can use high level wind techniques. In the case of the other chakra elements he can use them, BUT he cannot use their high level techniques. So for example whilst sarutobi might have 5% chakra affiliation to water and can use water techniques, he is only limited to low level water techniques.

Therefore he can use the hidden mist technqiue which is a D rank, but he cannot use the Water Dragon Bullet Technique which is a B rank. I used water as an example.

What im trying to say is that there are many techniques in konoha. Some might be high level techniques whilst some might be low level techniques. He might be able to use the high level techniques if he has a strong chakra affiliation to it. He cannot use the high level technique if his chakra affiliation isnt that strong with that element.

Only the rennigan grants the user such ability. To be able to use all the strongest elementary techniques

 

[IntheEndAllWillDIE]

Listen There is no need for proof that Hiruzen was sick if Kishi said he was the GOD OF ALL SHINOBI then hes Was what you think you made the manga too lmao. Thats for that kid with the restarted face im sorry i forgot your name lol namazaki or w.e

 

[siyo]

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Itachi knows his place :- )


Hiruzen trained with Hashirama and Tobirama, survived three wars, and it was also stated that he could counter MS/Ems (Official fanbook 2).

 

[Owarij]

You have got the clue but its still not enough.
Allow me to explain, ill make this quick if i have enough time ill make a thread and explain fully.

Lets say your chakra is made up of 70% wind 20% fire 5% earth and 5% water. Nobody's chakra is 100% earth, water, tec. It consists of many natures but the dominant in this case is wind. Therefore the user is a wind user and can use high level wind techniques. In the case of the other chakra elements he can use them, BUT he cannot use their high level techniques. So for example whilst sarutobi might have 5% chakra affiliation to water and can use water techniques, he is only limited to low level water techniques.

Therefore he can use the hidden mist technqiue which is a D rank, but he cannot use the Water Dragon Bullet Technique which is a B rank. I used water as an example.

What im trying to say is that there are many techniques in konoha. Some might be high level techniques whilst some might be low level techniques. He might be able to use the high level techniques if he has a strong chakra affiliation to it. He cannot use the high level technique if his chakra affiliation isnt that strong with that element.

Only the rennigan grants the user such ability. To be able to use all the strongest elementary techniques

interesting, you can have this win i guess,

I dont get why kishi would give hiruzen exaggerated hype, and back it up in databooks though... meh need to see more of him

 

[Blaze Release]

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Itachi knows his place :- )


Hiruzen trained with Hashirama and Tobirama, survived three wars, and it was also stated that he could counter MS/Ems (Official fanbook 2).

All youve said can easily be countered.
Obviously since he is the hokage and itachi being an anbu would make sarutobi his boss since the anbu report straight him. Him kneeing is a sign of respect and nothing more.

Hiruzen trained under tobirama and hashirama, so what?. That merely shows how old he was. He survived three was, thats impressive but again so what?. Itachi wasnt alive during the first 2 wars and the 3rd war he was a kid. This is what led him to become a pacifist.

Also lol at the highlighted part. Fanbook

 

[Y3llovv fla5h]

I'm going to be serious here with you for a second, are you retarded?

The manga quote was that he knew and had mastered EVERY jutsu in konoha. I proved that wrong.

It didn't say that he knew 1000, or two thousand, or even ten thousand. Here is a direct quote " You who were called the professor for having known and mastered all the jutsu in Konoha"

You can google that shit or find it in the manga.

I know there are other jutsus in Konoha, I'm just saying, at the very best he could know only jutsus that were not from Hidden clans or KG. How are you not getting that? I think every other person understands this point.

Ok well if he knew every jutsu in konoha than why didn't he use FTG against Oro during their fight? Jus saiyin!