Hiruzen in his Prime The God Of Shinobis Vs Itachi Uchiha

[Owarij]

Honestly,this thread is just ridiculous and not even worth of discussing.Prime Hiruzen should never exist in vs threads,because he has no feats.​

Umm,he never had it.​

woah, namikaze said,
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I bet you couldn't give me one scenario where Hiruzen pulls off a win.


Give Hiruzen all the jutsus in Konoha other than KG, hidden clan stuff, FTG, and give him Enma. Now please try and come up with a scenario where he wins.

i was just following what he said people ,

 

[Amantius]

that was meant for his techniques like how sasuke beat tysuk w/o using MS or how raikage could crack susanoo with brute force... and how ameterasu was avoided... in no way did i mean that itachi has gone undefeated, lol shino hasn't lost a fight yet either wuts ur point with that? just stop trying me lol :izuna:

Shino lost a fight when he was little in one of those filters, in fact after his defeat he shut down until hinata and kiba help him learn tai jutsu skills.

 

[Gouryuuka]

And why are people mentioning ftg.
Firstly i hear people saying hiruzen knows bringer of darkness, next i hear people talking about ftg. Whilst its been said he knows every technique in konoha do you really believe he knows these two.

Link me a manga chapter first where he has shown either ftg or bringer of darkness

The basis that I made earlier with him using FTG was purely through the conditions stated by Itachi Namikaze. It gave the assumption that he knew
how to use FTG, so by complying with the conditions I made the response concerning him using the technique. However, I don't believe that Hiruzen would have FTG at all thus hindering him much more than he was in my arguement. Most of the responses here that concern Hiruzen using FTG would most likely be caused by the conditions of his request stated in the thread.

 

[Lordofd100x]

The Uchiha are masters of genjutsu, I dont think he would fail to place anyone under an illusion. He dropped his sak to jiraiya but it couldv been coz he didnt wanna fight, Kisame seems like a guy who'l punch anything. But hiruzen was spoken highly of, Itachi speaks highly of the sharingan(QUOTE: Orochimaru any jutsu you use will have no effect before these eyes) and we all know itachi dont fuk around.

 

[Owarij]

Actually whilst its true that itachi isnt a sensor ninja he has demonstrated many skill in knowing exactly where people are. He seems to very aware of his surroundings. Btw where di you get the idea that hiruzen knows how to utilise bringer of darkness and even if he does, chances are itachi would get him in a genjutsu first before he can use his

Somehow I find that hard to believe...Hiruzen would be fully aware of the sharingans capabilities.... Not only that but, fully aware of itachi's prowess in genjutsu, maybe even know of his mangekyou just like danzo did..... the anbu answered to Hiruzen afterall and he would have gave itachi most his missions, danzo and the elders are 2nd in command , with his 5 in genjutsu , and iruka's statement saying he was a master of genjtusu and knew over 1000 of them, i dont think he'd go down that easily, but hey , thats pure conjecture, can't prove a thing , just giving hiruzen a fighting chance here

 

[Blaze Release]

but still not enough to call him a sensor, just really aware of things... I believe kakuzu called it sensing presences , he was amazed that kakashi snuck up behind him and was able to hide his , itachi was able to tell that sasuke was behind him, when they were younger he knew he was hiding behind the door, He seems to be have a keen sense in these things , but still not enough , I also said that hiruzen sends a clone or something, just to make sure he doesnt get it, a clone is more than enough to finish a blind itachi..
70% Blind itachi was operating horribly, couldnt dodge things etc.. fully blind itachi would get his shit fked up


And i was just follow shishui's rules, he said give hiruzen all the jutsu's of konoha except hiden and not kkg, just like his hype states, and make 1 situation where he wins


While he may not have it, it is a possibility , he seemed to have seen it before, he knew that he couldnt just break it by disruption of chakra, and waited for the moment to strike the caster,

With his title professor, and his nack for learning jutsu, it possible

At the highlighted part. Who do you think you are fooling. Because you know that he cannot learn kkg technqiues or hidden techniques you modified what the manga said. To suit what you believe, which is that he has bringer of techniques.

This is what the manga says. Hiruzen was called The Professor (プロフェッサー, Purofessā), due to his mastery of all forms of shinobi combat, and his vast knowledge of techniques, purportedly knowing all the techniques within Konoha.

As the manga says he 'knows every technique within konoha' and since this cannot be right due to kkg and hidden techniques, this proves that he doesnt know every technique in konoha whether kkg, hidden or normal techniques that anybody can use.

For what it seems they were exaggerating about him learning loads of techniques, but definately not all. If you believe that, then you might as well believe zetsu's exaggeration of amaterasu when he said its as hot as the sun

 

[Orochimaruwantsyourbody]

So apparently Hiruzen needs to be given some of the strongest attacks as a requirement to fend off against someone like Itachi.

Now it makes sense.​

 

[Blaze Release]

The basis that I made earlier with him using FTG was purely through the conditions stated by Itachi Namikaze. It gave the assumption that he knew
how to use FTG, so by complying with the conditions I made the response concerning him using the technique. However, I don't believe that Hiruzen would have FTG at all thus hindering him much more than he was in my arguement. Most of the responses here that concern Hiruzen using FTG would most likely be caused by the conditions of his request stated in the thread.

People shouldnt believe everything a character says about somebody who their techniques. There has been loads of exaggeration in the past and its safe to say sarutobi knowing all ninjutsu's in konoha is an exaggeration of his vast knowledge of ninjutsu

Somehow I find that hard to believe...Hiruzen would be fully aware of the sharingans capabilities.... Not only that but, fully aware of itachi's prowess in genjutsu, maybe even know of his mangekyou just like danzo did..... the anbu answered to Hiruzen afterall and he would have gave itachi most his missions, danzo and the elders are 2nd in command , with his 5 in genjutsu , and iruka's statement saying he was a master of genjtusu and knew over 1000 of them, i dont think he'd go down that easily, but hey , thats pure conjecture, can't prove a thing , just giving hiruzen a fighting chance here

Firstly link me a manga chapter where iruka said he was a master of genjutsu. Also allow me to challenge the data book. Loads of characters might have 5/5 for a feat but that doesnt mean they are comparable.

Example kisame was said to have the highest chakra in akatsuki and his stats is 5/5. Yet sasori and hidan have the same. Does that mean their chakra rivals kisame?, no.

Itachi might have a 5/5 for speed. Does that mean his speed rivals minato's who we can safely say would also get a 5/5 for speed?, no.

Itachi left at 13. What makes you think sarutobi would know about his genjutsu skill or are you saying itachi hasnt improved?

 

[Owarij]

At the highlighted part. Who do you think you are fooling. Because you know that he cannot learn kkg technqiues or hidden techniques you modified what the manga said. To suit what you believe, which is that he has bringer of techniques.

This is what the manga says. Hiruzen was called The Professor (プロフェッサー, Purofessā), due to his mastery of all forms of shinobi combat, and his vast knowledge of techniques, purportedly knowing all the techniques within Konoha.

As the manga says he 'knows every technique within konoha' and since this cannot be right due to kkg and hidden techniques, we this proves that he doesnt know every technique in konoha whether kkg, hidden or normal techniques that anybody can use.

For what it seems they were exaggerating about him learning loads of techniques, but definately not all. If you believe that, then you might as well believe zetsu's exaggeration of amaterasu when he said its as hot as the sun

broski? I know hiruzen does NOT KNOW EVERY JUTSU IN KONOHA...

Once again i am answering to itachi namikaze's conditions..

I bet you couldn't give me one scenario where Hiruzen pulls off a win.


Give Hiruzen all the jutsus in Konoha other than KG, hidden clan stuff, FTG, and give him Enma. Now please try and come up with a scenario where he wins.

He said give hiruzen every jutsu in konoha besides those listed and i'm assuming edo tensei since it was forbidden...[



But you are mistaken


As the manga says he 'knows every technique within konoha' and since this cannot be right due to kkg and hidden techniques, we this proves that he doesnt know every technique in konoha whether kkg, hidden or normal techniques that anybody can use.

For what it seems they were exaggerating about him learning loads of techniques, but definately not all. If you believe that, then you might as well believe zetsu's exaggeration of amaterasu wh


Sorry but you're mistaken . the correct viz translation said,

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Once knew, oro spoke in past tense, not only that but said existing konoha jutsu, meaning when ever he was crowned professor, he could just about do all konoha jutsu's....Konoha was a fresh village, and had few clans back then , 2 clans started uchiha and senju, logically you exclude kekke genkai.. they are bloodline limits and not technically jutsu.... hiden tecs weren't always hidden ... at a point in time in konoha they decided to stop teaching it to others..and keep it to themselves

 

[NOemotions]

You can't really compare, because we as viewers have only seen like 5 jutsu of thousands that Hiruzen can perform. But I would still go with Hiruzen in his prime. To be named God of Shinobi is a huge deal.

This -^

 

[Amantius]

Somehow I find that hard to believe...Hiruzen would be fully aware of the sharingans capabilities.... Not only that but, fully aware of itachi's prowess in genjutsu, maybe even know of his mangekyou just like danzo did..... the anbu answered to Hiruzen afterall and he would have gave itachi most his missions, danzo and the elders are 2nd in command , with his 5 in genjutsu , and iruka's statement saying he was a master of genjtusu and knew over 1000 of them, i dont think he'd go down that easily, but hey , thats pure conjecture, can't prove a thing , just giving hiruzen a fighting chance here

Man you don't have to explain anything to them they don't understand nothing, and the sad thing is orochi said to hiruzen when he pick him up off the ground "you are said to have master every single jutsu in leaf and the anbu black opps clearly stated in his prime hiruzen could threw one shuriken and those keep multiply and if they are killed they keep one making more double the amount that was lost.(because he has a powerful chakra capacity) aside from that i wonder if they get that hiruzen was the 1st student which is why he probably knew how to counter bringer of darkness jutsu so naturally he has it.(i say that because Kishi made it clear in manga and Anime. Hiruzen mastered every single dam jutsu in leaf-except blood limit ability. SO it is not by hyp it is by Kishi himself writing these "hiruzen was stronger than all 5 kage we have now) ---->in his prime.

 

[StrifeMaccy]

i fear itachis bad health will cause him to lose this fight

 

[Owarij]

People shouldnt believe everything a character says about somebody who their techniques. There has been loads of exaggeration in the past and its safe to say sarutobi knowing all ninjutsu's in konoha is an exaggeration of his vast knowledge of ninjutsu



Firstly link me a manga chapter where iruka said he was a master of genjutsu. Also allow me to challenge the data book. Loads of characters might have 5/5 for a feat but that doesnt mean they are comparable.

Example kisame was said to have the highest chakra in akatsuki and his stats is 5/5. Yet sasori and hidan have the same. Does that mean their chakra rivals kisame?, no.

Itachi might have a 5/5 for speed. Does that mean his speed rivals minato's who we can safely say would also get a 5/5 for speed?, no.

Itachi left at 13. What makes you think sarutobi would know about his genjutsu skill or are you saying itachi hasnt improved?

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note he didnt get to finish and was interuppted, 1000 illusions, i can only assume something like , 1000 ninjutsu etc
What? i'm saying hiruzen would know of itachi's excellence and mastery of genjutsu, even at that age..... I believe he was because when he got his ms ,and received tsukyomi, he was immediately skilled at using it and controlling space time... not only that but shikkaku knew of his gen skills, and seeing that itachi went off the wall for a few years till 17 , leads me to believe he was capable in genjutsu in his konoha time

 

[Blaze Release]

broski? I know hiruzen does NOT KNOW EVERY JUTSU IN KONOHA...

Once again i am answering to itachi namikaze's conditions..



He said give hiruzen every jutsu in konoha besides those listed and i'm assuming edo tensei since it was forbidden...[



But you are mistaken


As the manga says he 'knows every technique within konoha' and since this cannot be right due to kkg and hidden techniques, we this proves that he doesnt know every technique in konoha whether kkg, hidden or normal techniques that anybody can use.

For what it seems they were exaggerating about him learning loads of techniques, but definately not all. If you believe that, then you might as well believe zetsu's exaggeration of amaterasu wh


Sorry but you're mistaken . the correct viz translation said,

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Once knew, oro spoke in past tense, not only that but said existing konoha jutsu, meaning when ever he was crowned professor, he could just about do all konoha jutsu's....[B]Konoha was a fresh village, and had few clans back then , 2 clans started uchiha and senju[/B], logically you exclude kekke genkai.. they are bloodline limits and not technically jutsu.... hiden tecs weren't always hidden ... at a point in time in konoha they decided to stop teaching it to others..and keep it to themselves

You are wrong. If firstly we were to take what oro said word for word, that means he knows hidden techniques and kkg. That isnt true. Unless he speficically said he knows all non kkg or hidden techniques you cannot assume this.

At the highlighted part. You said konoha was a fresh vilage and talked about senju and uchiha. To my knowledge there were loads of clans, there or are we forgetting that the sannins (tsunade exculded), the elders, danzo and sarutobi himself are neither senju or uchiha

 

[Gouryuuka]

People shouldnt believe everything a character says about somebody who their techniques. There has been loads of exaggeration in the past and its safe to say sarutobi knowing all ninjutsu's in konoha is an exaggeration of his vast knowledge of ninjutsu

Yes, the response that I had made were in compliance with another member of this thread named Itachi Namikaze. My response wasn't based on the quotes of a character in Naruto rather it was based to sate Itachi Namikazes request where he stated to give a scenario where Hiruzen wins with all techs in Konoha, FTG etc. So I made a scenario where Hiruzen did have FTG and declared Itachi the winner regardless. I was aware that Hiruzen would not have such a technique nor as many that Konoha stated he did have.

 

[Owarij]

You are wrong. If firstly we were to take what oro said word for word, that means he knows hidden techniques and kkg. That isnt true. Unless he speficically said he knows all non kkg or hidden techniques you cannot assume this.

At the highlighted part. You said konoha was a fresh vilage and talked about senju and uchiha. To my knowledge there were loads of clans, there or are we forgetting that the sannins (tsunade exculded), the elders, danzo and sarutobi himself are neither senju or uchiha

all ninja aren't in clans.. you do realize that ? o.0 kakashi hatake etc..

The known clans back then - Senju , Uchiha, Sarutobi, Akimichi , hyuuga Yea...

Danzo himamura or w.e his name is, isnt a clan.. just like sakura, people clanless can become ninjas.. gaara , kankuru, etc,etc




Kekke genkai ,are blood line Limits my friend, DO not mix them up....

Jutsu are things you use chakra and handseals for...

kkg ALLOW jutsu to be cast..

sharingan is the kkg , amaterasu is a jutsu it casts? got it?

Kimmiamaro's bone thingy, is the kkg, his bone bullets ect are the jutsu he casts..

same with haku's ice etc....


hiruzen is older than the sannin, and he was old enough to have his professor title by then.. we don't know when he got it...

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[Blaze Release]

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note he didnt get to finish and was interuppted, 1000 illusions, i can only assume something like , 1000 ninjutsu etc
What? i'm saying hiruzen would know of itachi's excellence and mastery of genjutsu, even at that age..... I believe he was because when he got his ms ,and received tsukyomi, he was immediately skilled at using it and controlling space time... not only that but shikkaku knew of his gen skills, and seeing that itachi went off the wall for a few years till 17 , leads me to believe he was capable in genjutsu in his konoha time

+ rep for the manga chapter. Cannot counter that, apart from again iruka exaggerating again.
Whilst i believe itachi was a genjutsu user even before he left the village, huruzen wouldnt know about his ms because he activated it not long before he killed his clan and left

 

[Owarij]

+ rep for the manga chapter. Cannot counter that, apart from again iruka exaggerating again.
Whilst i believe itachi was a genjutsu user even before he left the village, huruzen wouldnt know about his ms because he activated it not long before he killed his clan and left

and danzo knew about it ? everything about the incident would have been reported to the hokage, danzo implanting shishui's eye and all those sharingan hiruzen would have realized..

 

[Blaze Release]

all ninja aren't in clans.. you do realize that ? o.0 kakashi hatake etc..

The known clans back then - Senju , Uchiha, Sarutobi, Akimichi , hyuuga Yea...

Danzo himamura or w.e his name is, isnt a clan.. just like sakura, people clanless can become ninjas.. gaara , kankuru, etc,etc




Kekke genkai ,are blood line Limits my friend, DO not mix them up....

Jutsu are things you use chakra and handseals for...

kkg ALLOW jutsu to be cast..

sharingan is the kkg , amaterasu is a jutsu it casts? got it?

Kimmiamaro's bone thingy, is the kkg, his bone bullets ect are the jutsu he casts..

same with haku's ice etc....


hiruzen is older than the sannin, and he was old enough to have his professor title by then.. we don't know when he got it...

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You do not need to inform be about the difference between kg, hidden techniques and normal techniques that any ninja knows.

What i am saying is that oro said he knows every technique in konoha which if we take what he said word for word he know kg and hidden techniques and that cannot be true. Just like how he cannot possible know every normal ninjutsu in konoha.

Btw from what i know sarutboi is a clan

 

[Vayne]

hiruzen cause of name