Ok you cannot speculate on the madara hashirama fight cause very little is known about it, you don't know if madara lost on purpose and I kind of have a hunch that uzumaki mito had something to do with hashirama winning anyway they were called rivals for a reason if the senju were overall greater they would be no need for such a term. Oh and this so called 13 year old uchiha who wiped out his clan also beat one the strongest uzumaki(nagato) who was even enhanced because he had uchiha eyes. Besides the uchiha were called a genius clan for a reason
A loss is a loss and Mito had kyuubi sealed inside of her after the fight, it was 1v1
Oh and ther 13 year old was a dead 21 year old when he defeated a crippled, Edo controled Nagato with the assistance of the two strongest Jinchuuriki.
What term wouldn't be needed? the clans wer equal in strength, which is why neither managed to kill the other, allthough you could say the third Hokage's regime was still influenced by the Senju, which means the order to assassinate the Uchihas were the Senju doing, which would mean Senju won. But if you don't then I'm alright with that too. The term "genius" was a little too generous a term used.
Uchiha were the best. You can't touch those blessed eyes.
Yeah, we can't touch those blessed eyes, it's only the fact that a non Uchiha had like 10 of them on his arm like used them like it was nobody's business and all the other eyes are in a labratory...aparently that means nothing I guess *sigh*
well it wasen't actually itachi who killed the hole clan, sasuke even asked itachi himself ''even you could not defeat the hole uchiha clan alone'' then itachi says that he got help from tobi, and we dont know tobis true powers yet, in fact that senju were wiped out before uchiha means uchihas has survived longer. Tsunade is the only living senju left, and if u compare her powers to sasuke and itachi u gotta be a joker. tsunade got beaten by non orokabuto, maybe now we will see her actually fight good vs madara but shes still useless compared to the remaining uchiha > Sasuke. Battle between Hashirama and Madara, freaking hell, senju got help from the uzumaki clan and hes wife mito, mito sealed the kyuubi inside of her in order to help Hashirama in battle. Ofc if the senju/uzumaki has the kyuubi on their side they win. If senju really know 1000 tech and master of everything, how come uchihas was said to be equal, (sharingan users not ms) only Hashirama inherted the blondline of senju, that made him equal MS/EMS madara, tobirama was known for hes master skill in water ninjutsu and space time ninjutsu, other senjus hasen't been mentioned or like i would explain... they are not important /non powerful. Uchiha clan has several strong shinobis in the history, Madara, Izuna, Shusui,Sasuke, Fugaku(he wasent leader for nothing) and itachi... also without obito, kakashi wouldn't have copied 1000tech and be as powerful as he is today. Ok now ur going to flame me and say '' but uchiha betray eachother bla bla'' Itachi betrayed hes clan in order to protect sasuke, he loved sasuke more then anything, danzo and the elders would have send another assasin instead of itachi, if itachi wouldn't accept the job, they would (konoha) assinate uchiha clan or break a war with uchiha clan and that would have let to sasukes death, itachi favoured hes village more then hes clan because he knew hes father was planing a coup deta against the leaf and he also promised shusui to protect konoha. Facts? if u have read the manga u shouldn't ask about facts and proof.
Bolded part: Speculation with no proof, try again.
Wait a minute now all of a sudden now he has the help of the Uzumaki clan and his wife?xd Give me a break it was one on one, Hashirama won, Mito sealed the Kyuubi inside herself after deal with it bro. Madara had the kyuubi, the fact Hashirama took it away from it and gave it to my wife just makes your leader look even worse, although I'm a Madara fan I can't deny this.
You're not making any sense now, the reason for the Uchihas being equal to the Senju was because the Senju had 1000 skills to combat them with. If you clan was so great, why couldn't they win earlier. All the Uchiha had were some eyes and dojutsu techniques which apparently weren't enough to be beat the Senju. You can't say the Senju were unimportant/weak because they were said to have 1000 skills while the Uchihas were only said to have Sharingan so it evens out.
Uchiha had powerful shinobi: Izuna's dead because his brother took his eyes, Madara lost his last fight to Hashirama just before he died, Itachi killed the rest of his clan, Shisui pretty much betrayed his clan as well trusting and aiding Itachi in a way, Sasuke's the only consilation and his ass is a psyco.
Who cares for whatever reasons Itachi decided to do this, Itachi killed his clan, thus betraying it. He ended his bloodline and failed his last mission keeping his brother alive, who is only shaming your precious clan even more. Half of what you said was speculation so I will ask you to give me proof that the Senju were unimportant/weak because if they were your clan should've been able to kill them off, so that would mean your clan is weak as well.
Oh and I want this proof of yours that the Senjus were wiped out before the Uchihas.
