Ending the Itach vs Minato debate

[youngdubb]

yes, its possible he can be hit by it, im not saying its not possible, lol. just about anything is possible. i was simply providing a way to counter susanoo' .

but about the chakra reserves, do we know how much chakra minato has? i dont remember him explaining that. but people seem to assume he is descendant from the senju in some way, if he is he might have a lot of chakra :shrug::shrug: but who knows...

Yes like I just said we don't know anything about minatos true power for all we know he could b like kisame who they call the tailless tailed beast and have a tone of chakra reserves or he can have less the itachi but we don't know lol

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

if it was amaterasu he wouldnt need to absorb it!!!!!! he'd dodge it like the raikage did, but ofcourse he'd do it even faster as he is faster!!!

cmon man, really. you are tragic. every time i prove you wrong , you bring up something else.. i provided that link to show how he could stop susanoo or use an attack like fireball against itachi, not to absorb amaterasu, we know he can dodge that. we all know that

u have fail to understand what am saying, the reason why i put amaterasu is because that attack is faster than TBB and like we all see minato already form the seal when the kyubi mold the chakra, so my point is if there is another attack have the same speed like amataresu then using ST barrier is useless since minato can't form the seal in time, and the reason why say minato will dodge its because u know minato can't form the seal in time and by that point its u who try to change the topic

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

ill not try to prolong the argument in between genjutsu...as ive mentioned in my thread:

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there are 3 things that can setup minato to win against genjutsu:

1. the feat he removed genjutsu from tobi...its a seal against genjutsu meaning he has it in his arsenal...that also means knowing that uchihas are under his control at the time he was reigning as a hokage, he would surely have something against a visual genjutsu and this seal is one of them. question is, how can he become a hokage that time if a simple visual genjutsu can take him down? there are chuunin exams and other test before he becomes a hokage and it would be absurd if he can't avoid such a regular genjutsu...

2. kagebunshins - i don't need to stress it anymore, he used a kagebunshin technique just read the thread...

3. ma and pa toad to assist him in battle...it was heavily stressed in the manga that fighting an uchiha requires you to get out of a 1v1 situation...itachi himself stressed this out unless you're an uchiha...i listed the genjutsu loopholes in my thread as well...

besides ma and pa can dish out several jutsus of their own and they can sync with minato on his shoulder...they can even call out the army of toads to place as a diversion...

with or without FTG...minato can move quickly through body flicker and if itachi misses with an attack, minato can approach him quickly in a split second and place a mark on him...clearly minato had a feat against genjutsu but there was never a feat that placed him under it...

here are the genjutsu holes:

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Well if you are asking me to counter these points I gladly will.

Minato's seal that he put on Tobi happened in the real world and he was breaking genjutsu control over something else. If he is in a genjutsu he cannot touch Itachi to break control. So this point is invalid.

Shadow clones. Sure genjutsu wouldn't really work on a shadow clone, but the Sharingan can see chakra so if Minato tries to hide then Itachi will be able to see it, so he will know that one of them is a clone (probably not the one hiding lolz)

As for your 3rd argument, Ma and Pa require time to be summoned. And Minato cannot summon them whilst in a genjutsu. Itachi starts off pretty much every battle with a genjutsu, before the opponent even knows the battle has started. He did it to Orochimaru, Deidara, Sasuke, and Naruto. Pretty much everyone he has fought. So they cannot be summoned if Minato is in a genjutsu.

 

[tristan]

u have fail to understand what am saying, the reason why i put amaterasu is because that attack is faster than TBB and like we all see minato already form the seal when the kyubi mold the chakra, so my point is if there is another attack have the same speed like amataresu then using ST barrier is useless since minato can't form the seal in time, and the reason why say minato will dodge its because u know minato can't form the seal in time and by that point its u who try to change the topic

all he has to do is to hold the knife up and absorb the attack...the marking is with the kunai seal already...it is just like FTG not used on himself but used to warp something away...

 

[ProdigyRokuX]

u have fail to understand what am saying, the reason why i put amaterasu is because that attack is faster than TBB and like we all see minato already form the seal when the kyubi mold the chakra, so my point is if there is another attack have the same speed like amataresu then using ST barrier is useless since minato can't form the seal in time, and the reason why say minato will dodge its because u know minato can't form the seal in time and by that point its u who try to change the topic

no kid, look. the reason i listed the S/T barrier in my original post was to show a way he could stop susanoo and attacks like fireball...thats all

i know amaterasu is faster than TBB, he would not try to absorb it but dodge it...is that so hard to conceive?!?!?! honestly. im not changing the subject... im saying the S/T barrier can be used to counter susanoo' and use itatchi's techs. against himself. ofcourse he wouldnt absorb amaterasu, it is to quick..but he can dodge it like the 4th raikage did!!! omg.....

 

[inflame]

So the only flaw that you saw from my post was 1st hokage era..... That was my bad i did think that minato was alive probably around 8 years old when the 1st died, and for the seal we cant really say but it is possible.

 

[tristan]

Well if you are asking me to counter these points I gladly will.

Minato's seal that he put on Tobi happened in the real world and he was breaking genjutsu control over something else. If he is in a genjutsu he cannot touch Itachi to break control. So this point is invalid.

Shadow clones. Sure genjutsu wouldn't really work on a shadow clone, but the Sharingan can see chakra so if Minato tries to hide then Itachi will be able to see it, so he will know that one of them is a clone (probably not the one hiding lolz)

As for your 3rd argument, Ma and Pa require time to be summoned. And Minato cannot summon them whilst in a genjutsu. Itachi starts off pretty much every battle with a genjutsu, before the opponent even knows the battle has started. He did it to Orochimaru, Deidara, Sasuke, and Naruto. Pretty much everyone he has fought. So they cannot be summoned if Minato is in a genjutsu.

it was an addition to your post not a counter hahaha but oh well...

1. as ive said it's a seal against genjutsu...and when you're in genjutsu either you touch the victim or touch the caster...in that case, he chose to touch tobi since the ninetails is far away, that's why even tobi got impressed because he did everything in one move...in this case since he's the victim himself he can free himself by touching himself (that doesn't sound good though)...even naruto had time to disrupt chakra and itachi even claimed that he grown...or if he's prepared like tsunade he can keep a seal on his body and have it as a yin release...

2. kakashi showed that feat...shadow clones are like real bodies so kakashi made a way on how to hide himself away...hell he can even hide inside his frog's mouth and FTG once a bunshin touches itachi...

3. his scenario was a bloodlust battle...wherein everyone starts with their technique, clearly in naruto vs pain...all the frogs were summoned by ma frog...and once the battle starts (let's say ala chuunin exam) he can clearly move away with body flicker to a direction that he chooses and summon ma frog to do the rest of the summons...

(a sharingan may keep up but it was a feat even tobi got surprised when he saved the baby)

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

no kid, look. the reason i listed the S/T barrier in my original post was to show a way he could stop susanoo and attacks like fireball...thats all

i know amaterasu is faster than TBB, he would not try to absorb it but dodge it...is that so hard to conceive?!?!?! honestly. im not changing the subject... im saying the S/T barrier can be used to counter susanoo' and use itatchi's techs. against himself. ofcourse he wouldnt absorb amaterasu, it is to quick..but he can dodge it like the 4th raikage did!!! omg.....

1st the kid u are talk to is about to graduate from collage this year

and also S/T barrier can only be use to counter itachi long range attack such as yasaka magatama and his fire jutsu if that was melee attack like totsuka blade he would have dodge the sword since if minato warp it inside s/t barrier itachi can simply pull it out or take back the sword into the gourd

 

[Blaze Release]

haha thats cute and yea i remember that thanks, and anyways as much as i appreciate that rep you gave me i still think your foolish as shit to think that YOU can simply end something between two characters when you don't even know the full extent of pretty much either and as of right now minato is still a bigger mystery than itachi though itachi is as well but not much, i looked at your scenarios and it would seem like your favoring itachi more, oh and btw im not wise at all that why i say can this...come at me when ever your ready...

The idea of resorting to insults behind your laptop or resorting to insults in a debate has never really impressed me. From reading some of your posts in the past, its quiet clear that you not only cannot debate, but also cannot stop swearing.

What i will say is that i created 3 logical scenarios which would most likely happen and linked them with what we have seen from both. Its true that itachi has shown more battle feats than minato, but the idea of this thread was to link in those battle feats and create scenarios, but also try to come up with a logical answer as to which scenario a character can/cannot win.

 

[tristan]

no kid, look. the reason i listed the S/T barrier in my original post was to show a way he could stop susanoo and attacks like fireball...thats all

i know amaterasu is faster than TBB, he would not try to absorb it but dodge it...is that so hard to conceive?!?!?! honestly. im not changing the subject... im saying the S/T barrier can be used to counter susanoo' and use itatchi's techs. against himself. ofcourse he wouldnt absorb amaterasu, it is to quick..but he can dodge it like the 4th raikage did!!! omg.....

a barrier is wherein you engulf yourself to be protected at a certain distance (ala jiraiya barrier vs pain)...so when minato raises his knife like that he can protect himself with the s/t barrier and warp amaterasu away...(it acts like FTG since the knife acts as a beacon) and if itachi is lucky and he's marked minato can even choose to burn itachi with his own technique...

 

[youngdubb]

no kid, look. the reason i listed the S/T barrier in my original post was to show a way he could stop susanoo and attacks like fireball...thats all

i know amaterasu is faster than TBB, he would not try to absorb it but dodge it...is that so hard to conceive?!?!?! honestly. im not changing the subject... im saying the S/T barrier can be used to counter susanoo' and use itatchi's techs. against himself. ofcourse he wouldnt absorb amaterasu, it is to quick..but he can dodge it like the 4th raikage did!!! omg.....

Yeah I'm wit chu on this one Lol

 

[tristan]

again, a winning simulation against a genjutsu user...maybe except shishui

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have a goodnight everyone time to sleep...

 

[ProdigyRokuX]

1st the kid u are talk to is about to graduate from collage this year

and also S/T barrier can only be use to counter itachi long range attack such as yasaka magatama and his fire jutsu if that was melee attack like totsuka blade he would have dodge the sword since if minato warp it inside s/t barrier itachi can simply pull it out or take back the sword into the gourd

wow, you, one of the most incoherent people Ive ever talked to, is about to graduate college.. look, you didn't even spell college right, you fail.. a collage is a form of art, college is the school.. tragic..

anyways, you are just reiterating what i have said 4 times over. so im going to stop replying to you. you're like some kind of troll or something, you repeat the same thing. i don't even want to argue/debate with you anymore, Ive proved you wrong enough times.

 

[youngdubb]

But one thing idont think anyone pointed out was itachis vision being blurred & idont think we have seen itachis full power sense they never showed him really fight anyone .. & don't say the fight against sasuke because itachi was gonna die either way and he let sasuke beat him so we still don't know itachis full power yet is wat I think and if yu know of a fight besides the one I just said the pls let me know

 

[sid1986]

I love Naruto, but I might not be an expert like a lot of you..

In my point of view it is very difficult to actually judge who can win.. I mean the reinnengan is supposed to be even more awesome but Naruto was able to beat Pain fair and square..
So even though Itachi has the sharingan it could be anybody's match, plus both are very intelligent shinobi..

 

[youngdubb]

I love Naruto, but I might not be an expert like a lot of you..

In my point of view it is very difficult to actually judge who can win.. I mean the reinnengan is supposed to be even more awesome but Naruto was able to beat Pain fair and square..
So even though Itachi has the sharingan it could be anybody's match, plus both are very intelligent shinobi..

Yeah like I said on my 1st post we can really say who would win

 

[TheLaw]

Have we ever seen minato put some1 in genjutsu who is moving? everyone just stands and looks at him. Minato is so fast, that it could be impossible for itachi to put him in genjutsu. I havent even saw him put anyone in genjutsu who is running, and with his blurred vision, he wouldnt even see minato.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

wow, you, one of the most incoherent people Ive ever talked to, is about to graduate college.. look, you didn't even spell college right, you fail.. a collage is a form of art, college is the school.. tragic..

anyways, you are just reiterating what i have said 4 times over. so im going to stop replying to you. you're like some kind of troll or something, you repeat the same thing. i don't even want to argue/debate with you anymore, Ive proved you wrong enough times.

English is not the prime language in my country

and also u never prove me wrong
1st. totsuka sword is the best sealing method when it comes to seal opponent
u never reply it means u admit it
2nd space time barrier cannot counter a fast attack
u make excuse "minato can dodge" in other way u admit it
that's all u just hate when someone say something to break ur argument
and even calling me kid when maybe u are younger than me LOL

u know what i rarely give ppl neg rep but for u i made an exception since u insult me when i try to be polite and reasonable

 

[youngdubb]

Have we ever seen minato put some1 in genjutsu who is moving? everyone just stands and looks at him. Minato is so fast, that it could be impossible for itachi to put him in genjutsu. I havent even saw him put anyone in genjutsu who is running, and with his blurred vision, he wouldnt even see minato.

True he's fast but it's not impossible adleast not for itachi since he is the best when it comes to genjustu but I don't think it would be easy at all if he tried lol& And I don't think he'll get the chance to with minatos speed

 

[Blaze Release]

Have we ever seen minato put some1 in genjutsu who is moving? everyone just stands and looks at him. Minato is so fast, that it could be impossible for itachi to put him in genjutsu. I havent even saw him put anyone in genjutsu who is running, and with his blurred vision, he wouldnt even see minato.

Firstly can you tell me which scenario you are challenging.

Although the link below is about sasuke and i assume you are talking about itachi, itachi's as we all know is on a different league to sasuke when it comes to genjutsu and even he was able to put somebody in one when they were running;

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