everyone who has posted in this thread saying *old* hiruzen is retarded, 1st of all, look how much kakashi has improved since part 1 of nartuo. 2nd, when did we see orochimaru display the power against hiruzen that he displayed against naruto 4 tails?? that's right we didn't. Now tell me how would hiruzen deal with raikiri? his ninja dogs? his speed? his sharingan? especially while being old. Kishi definitely had a different scales of power between part 1, and shippuden so as of right now, kakashi DOMINATES old sarutobi. In his prime? all he has is a title and a legacy, and incase you forgot what shikaku said, *legends from the past are always exaggerated... but eventually someone out does them and thats when new legends are born.* We have no proof how strong sarutobi actually was back then, *on shippuden scale* but from what we've actually seen, theres no way beating kakashi.
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