rasenshuriken VS kirin

[House]

il say draw...but il half 2 say rasenshuriken...but dont count kirin out....your thought

Kirin happens in a blink of an eye. Rasenshuriken takes time to form and to be thrown, and can be evaded. Kirin can infect a much wider range then rasenshuriken can. Kirin all the way.

To the post above me, imagine holding up a ball size of a baseball above your head, while a whole lot of water is going right above you head. Will the baseball cover your body from the water?

 

[Swizzik]

ummmm his intelligence huh.....lol he is avenging his brother by destroying his dreams....wow now thats a bright kid.....naruto figured out the 3rds weakness in seconds so STFU

So your saying that Naruto can beat Itachi with preparations if you are just leave and never return.

 

[Turson]

Wind > Lightning...

Besides, Kirin is just controlling lightning towards the target - that is all...how do someone dodge lightning?so if i were naruto i would wrap myself in a big condom bag so that the electricity would not be conducted in my body...

Wind > Lightning rule is no factor, when destruction power of lightning technique is on whole other level, like in this case. Like Zetsu said, Kirin uses energy of nature, therefore its way more powerful than anything that shinobi can perform with their chakra.

 

[tristan]

Kirin virtually uses no chakra whatsoever. It uses the power of the atmosphere.

Yeah and how will sasuke create lightning from clear skies? Pray to the his gay Lord Orochimaru to give him michael jackson's power?

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

first of all dummy.......i made a thread sasukes master plan....go take a look and take notes boy......thats my back up...all facts in there....i wont even waste finger tyme with you

that is a theory and until it shows that in manga i am right and you are wrong and you the one that should take notes

 

[StrifeMaccy]

Yeah and how will sasuke create lightning from clear skies? Pray to the his gay Lord Orochimaru to give him michael jackson's power?

the fire thing, like he did against itachi seemed to work fine?

 

[itachi49]

kirin=real lightings from clouds
rasenshuriken=wind chakra from naruto


if naruto want counter kirin,he need to control and use the wind in the air to concentrate it in his rasenshuriken or put a big quantity of chakra on it ,with his big chakra he has the potential to do it .

a kirin won't kill naruto,his rasenshuriken will barely stop it ,at best he'll got a bit damage.

 

[tristan]

Wind > Lightning rule is no factor, when destruction power of lightning technique is on whole other level, like in this case. Like Zetsu said, Kirin uses energy of nature, therefore its way more powerful than anything that shinobi can perform with their chakra.

Who said? The base of nature will always be there...why not wrap himself up in fuuton armor?? Another level? FRS is another level...it is the highest level of shape and nature manipulation...

Nature = Sage mode (using power of nature to enhance attacks)
Wind > Lightning

 

[x15751x]

Yeah and how will sasuke create lightning from clear skies? Pray to the his gay Lord Orochimaru to give him michael jackson's power?

the fire thing, like he did against itachi seemed to work fine?

^This and with his EMS he can spam amaterasu.

 

[Omnom]

If Kirin and Rasenshuriken are launched at the same time, then of course Kirin would win. There would be no expansion of the Rasenshuriken and it wouldn't get stronger because it would be colliding with energy, not a physical form. Plus, even if wind is stronger than lightening, it still doesn't negate the fact that Kirin has an energy capacity of billions and billions of joules. Even if they collided, there would be so much energy from the Kirin that it would go right through.

So you argument is that Kirin is an actual lightning bolt, and that Rasen Shuriken couldn't compare to nature. But lets look at the facts:

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Here, Kakashi's own "Lightning Cutter", got it's name because he used it to cut a lightning bolt (Which is what Kirin is, in your own words.) This shows two things:

1. Kakashi shows that humans have the ability to react the the speed of it.
2. An S-rank Lightning technique has the ability to cut a lightning bolt.

Now let's move to Kirin:

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Kirin is slow to make, and very situational. But, it is very fast. We all know this.


Now let's look at Rasen Shuriken:

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Super powerful, and cuts on a mircoscopic level. The only known living person to take a hit was Kakuzu, who had his chakra network completely destroyed, and was totally immobilized by it.


Now we have seen that S-rank lightning can cut a lightning bolt, and that it is humanly possible to react to it.

But we're talking about S-rank Wind (And one of the most advanced techniques ever) vs. S-rank Lightning. In the narutoverse, Wind > Lightning.

That brings the only question in to mind:

Can Naruto react fast enough to do RS? We have seen that Kakashi is fast enough, and that Itachi can fully form Susano'o, in the time it takes to strike. And as far as speed goes, Naruto is currently the fastest ninja alive. So he can make it in time to hit Kirin with a RS. Which leaves it simply to S-Rank Wind vs. S-Rank Lightning.

So in the end, Rasen Shuriken will win.

 

[khaydz5]

Kirin happens in a blink of an eye. Rasenshuriken takes time to form and to be thrown, and can be evaded. Kirin can infect a much wider range then rasenshuriken can. Kirin all the way.

To the post above me, imagine holding up a ball size of a baseball above your head, while a whole lot of water is going right above you head. Will the baseball cover your body from the water?

lol one thing you failed to realize is that,

RS can be formed in seconds, kirin will take minutes in preparation. battle effectiveness wise, RS > Kirin anytime.

there's one solution to your problem there, step out of the pouring water.lol

 

[tristan]

Wind > Lightning rule is no factor, when destruction power of lightning technique is on whole other level, like in this case. Like Zetsu said, Kirin uses energy of nature, therefore its way more powerful than anything that shinobi can perform with their chakra.

the fire thing, like he did against itachi seemed to work fine?

So in conclusion, you need to have lots of chakra to pull it off and it requires preparation time...itachi countered it with a shield called susanoo..a shinobi can counter it by leaving a shadow clone for diversion and hiding underground...

 

[tristan]

To the post above me, imagine holding up a ball size of a baseball above your head, while a whole lot of water is going right above you head. Will the baseball cover your body from the water?

Get a rain coat

 

[Turson]

Who said? The base of nature will always be there..

Manga. When Kakuzu strenghtened his Katon with Fuuton it break through Kakashis water barricade.

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FRS is powerful, but I doubt if it would to able to f*ck up whole mountain like Kirin did.

why not wrap himself up in fuuton armor??

Becuase there is no such thing like Fuuton armor, at least nobody developed that.

 

[Blaze Release]

yes the hell it does....it means rasenshuriken stronger....and it mean you have no imagination.......you probly look like kiba with s curls with guy sensei daisy dukes.....

Lulz. Whatever makes you sleep at night

 

[StrifeMaccy]

So in conclusion, you need to have lots of chakra to pull it off and it requires preparation time...itachi countered it with a shield called susanoo..a shinobi can counter it by leaving a shadow clone for diversion and hiding underground...

being picky with the facts here, but itachi used a very rare shield that susanoo wields to block that attack, naruto doesnt have one of them yet. Im not denying he needs lots of time and chakra to prepare it, i admitted it previously, but in terms of raw destructive power, kirin wins. Its like a bucket of water going against a a mega flamethrower.
They can hide underground, if they can fool sasuke into thinking its the real him, and hope they dont get hit in the blast radius. Watch the itachi sasuke fight, at the end there is a loooooooooot of damage caused in a large area.

 

[x15751x]

So you argument is that Kirin is an actual lightning bolt, and that Rasen Shuriken couldn't compare to nature. But lets look at the facts:

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Here, Kakashi's own "Lightning Cutter", got it's name because he used it to cut a lightning bolt (Which is what Kirin is, in your own words.) This shows two things:

1. Kakashi shows that humans have the ability to react the the speed of it.
2. An S-rank Lightning technique has the ability to cut a lightning bolt.

Now let's move to Kirin:

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Kirin is slow to make, and very situational. But, it is very fast. We all know this.


Now let's look at Rasen Shuriken:

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Super powerful, and cuts on a mircoscopic level. The only known living person to take a hit was Kakuzu, who had his chakra network completely destroyed, and was totally immobilized by it.


Now we have seen that S-rank lightning can cut a lightning bolt, and that it is humanly possible to react to it.

But we're talking about S-rank Wind (And one of the most advanced techniques ever) vs. S-rank Lightning. In the narutoverse, Wind > Lightning.

That brings the only question in to mind:

Can Naruto react fast enough to do RS? We have seen that Kakashi is fast enough, and that Itachi can fully form Susano'o, in the time it takes to strike. And as far as speed goes, Naruto is currently the fastest ninja alive. So he can make it in time to hit Kirin with a RS. Which leaves it simply to S-Rank Wind vs. S-Rank Lightning.

So in the end, Rasen Shuriken will win.

Let's take an example.

Doton: Sando No Jutsu - Two large slates of rock which come crashing together.

and

Lightning Beast Running Jutsu.

These are pretty comparable to Kirin (the Sandwich technique) and Rasenshuriken (the Lightning Beast) since the Sandwich technique is hundreds of times (or maybe a thousand times) larger and powerful than the Lightning Beast technique. Although lightning wins against earth, do you think that the Lightning Beast will beat the Sandwich technique? Didn't think so. Same applies to Kirin and Rasenshuriken. Rasenshuriken is probably tens of millions of joules (regardless, it's insignificant) while Kirin is probably the embodiment of several hundred lightning bolts (each about 5 billion joules). Plus, Kirin isn't just a regular S-Rank Lightning technique. It's one of the strongest lightning techniques. Someone else posted that water is stronger than fire, yet a bonfire will not be extinguished by a bucket of water.

 

[Omnom]

Manga. When Kakuzu strenghtened his Katon with Fuuton it break through Kakashis water barricade.

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FRS is powerful, but I doubt if it would to able to f*ck up whole mountain like Kirin did.

Becuase there is no such thing like Fuuton armor, at least nobody developed that.

RS totally can't destroy a mountain... :|

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Let's take an example.

Doton: Sando No Jutsu - Two large slates of rock which come crashing together.

and

Lightning Beast Running Jutsu.

These are pretty comparable to Kirin (the Sandwich technique) and Rasenshuriken (the Lightning Beast) since the Sandwich technique is hundreds of times (or maybe a thousand times) larger and powerful than the Lightning Beast technique. Although lightning wins against earth, do you think that the Lightning Beast will beat the Sandwich technique? Didn't think so. Same applies to Kirin and Rasenshuriken. Rasenshuriken is probably tens of millions of joules (regardless, it's insignificant) while Kirin is probably the embodiment of several hundred lightning bolts (each about 5 billion joules). Plus, Kirin isn't just a regular S-Rank Lightning technique. It's one of the strongest lightning techniques. Someone else posted that water is stronger than fire, yet a bonfire will not be extinguished by a bucket of water.

Bonfire = A-Rank fire

Bucket of water = D-Rank water

Of course the bucket of water will lose. Now if you do a bonfire vs. Firefighting truck water hose..... That's a comparable situation.

 

[x15751x]

So in conclusion, you need to have lots of chakra to pull it off and it requires preparation time...itachi countered it with a shield called susanoo..a shinobi can counter it by leaving a shadow clone for diversion and hiding underground...

It doesn't require a lot of chakra. Any strong fire technique (in addition to him spamming Amaterasu) will be sufficient. Regardless, it doesn't have to be massive and it doesn't matter if you hide underground, it would destroy everything around the target and go underground since it has to discharge there. Although he said that he used Susanoo, he probably used the Yata Mirror to lessen the effect (not saying this is 100% true, but he wasn't clear).

RS totally can't destroy a mountain... :|

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Bonfire = A-Rank fire

Bucket of water = D-Rank water

Of course the bucket of water will lose. Now if you do a bonfire vs. Firefighting truck water hose..... That's a comparable situation.

Not it's not. You fail to grasp that Kirin isn't just a regular S-Rank technique. It contains unfathomable energy compared to the Rasenshuriken.

And a Firefighting truck water hose isn't the same to a Rasenshuriken as a bonfire is to Kirin...

 

[thai sage]

Wind > Lightning rule is no factor, when destruction power of lightning technique is on whole other level, like in this case. Like Zetsu said, Kirin uses energy of nature, therefore its way more powerful than anything that shinobi can perform with their chakra.

Well if that were the case naruto could just create some crazy sage mode rasenshuriken then combines nature chakra

And just to clarify my statement earlier the only reason I think rasenshuriken is better then kirin is cause it can be used more readily and more often, like others have stated by the time sauske can get Kirin he would've already had about 100 rasenshurikens thrown at him all thrown in a general facility at the same time, hits the ground expands and sauske is trapped, that's just the first scenario that popped in my mind