Itachi-Stamina ;)

[lswhyte123]

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Okay,so I've made this thread because a lot of people are under the impression (and it is true to a small degree) that Itachi had very little chakra.

It is true that he had low chakra levels when you compare it to the rest of his skills. That said, I still wanted to point out a few things.

This is not a hate thread,I am not an Itachi fanboy and I don't care if people think I'm right or wrong. I will explain it, you can read and either agree or disagree. Not my problem but thoughts & comments are appreciated.

I want to discuss the Itachi & Sasuke fight & the techniques he uses.

Check the manga as well, I did.

Itachi's Arsenol:
1, He starts the fight by using a Multi-layered Genjutsu.
2, He then finishes the Genjutsu battle with a Tsukuyomi(which is broken).
3, He uses the Summon Shuriken technique.
4, He uses a Kage Bunshin.
5, Uses his Crow Genjutsu/Illusion.
6, He uses 2 Katon Techniques.
7, Amaterasu which he uses twice. Also, if you notice he ignites the surrounding area in black flame to ensure Orochimaru's Snakes would not escape after he seals Orochimaru.
8, To survive Kirin, he activates Susanoo.
9, Seals Orochimaru after chopping off the Snakes heads.
10, His final technique was a seal for his Amaterasu,which he implants into Sasuke.

Sasuke's sharingan deactivates after Kirin, and he can only continue the fight due to Orochimaru & the curse mark. Sasuke had more chakra, yet ran out 1st. He ran out 1st and he used smaller techniques which don't consume as much chakra.
Sasuke also, doesn't manage to use as many techniques in his fight against Danzo due to chakra levels and amount used by Amaterasu & Susanoo.
Sasuke when at the Kage summit, mentions how hard it was for him to use an incomplete Susanoo & thinks about how bad it was for Itachi.

All of these things lead me to say. If Itachi did have low Chakra, it didn't stop him one bit. And even if it was low, it seems it was still higher than Sasuke's. The databook will say Sasuke's is higher. I'm just pointing out what happened.
I am 100% aware that this is called Chakra control & Itachi had excellent mastery of his Sharingan which is why he was able to do so much with so little waste. Nonetheless, it has to be noted, this is not bad for someone said to have low Chakra.

Thoughts?

 

[Blaze Release]

Itachi's stamina is average; 2.5/5.
The reason he died was because of his illness and c0 chakra from the use of all those techniques.

Reason why sasuke run out of chakra and oro came out is because he used the body shedding technique which took most of his chakra, thats why although he has more chakra than itachi he run out first

 

[-Vegeta-]

It's called chakra control. Some shinobi can use jutsu without it consuming so much chakra because of their excellent chakra control. Why do you think Itachi can always have his sharingan active? Because he has excellent mastery over it and it's only a minimal drain on his chakra.

 

[Ethylacetat]

thats right but sasuke hasnt died after all his battles proably itachi could normaly not use as many chakra as he used before he fight sasuke and died afterwards

 

[Blaze Release]

It's called chakra control. Some shinobi can use jutsu without it consuming so much chakra because of their excellent chakra control. Why do you think Itachi can always have his sharingan active? Because he has excellent mastery over it and it's only a minimal drain on his chakra.

This also. Completely forgot

 

[Baldy]

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Okay,so I've made this thread because a lot of people are under the impression (and it is true to a small degree) that Itachi had very little chakra.

It is true that he had low chakra levels when you compare it to the rest of his skills. That said, I still wanted to point out a few things.

This is not a hate thread,I am not an Itachi fanboy and I don't care if people think I'm right or wrong. I will explain it, you can read and either agree or disagree. Not my problem but thoughts & comments are appreciated.

I want to discuss the Itachi & Sasuke fight & the techniques he uses.

Check the manga as well, I did.

Itachi's Arsenol:
1, He starts the fight by using a Multi-layered Genjutsu.
2, He then finishes the Genjutsu battle with a Tsukuyomi(which is broken).
3, He uses the Summon Shuriken technique.
4, He uses a Kage Bunshin.
5, Uses his Crow Genjutsu/Illusion.
6, He uses 2 Katon Techniques.
7, Amaterasu which he uses twice. Also, if you notice he ignites the surrounding area in black flame to ensure Orochimaru's Snakes would not escape after he seals Orochimaru.
8, To survive Kirin, he activates Susanoo.
9, Seals Orochimaru after chopping off the Snakes heads.
10, His final technique was a seal for his Amaterasu,which he implants into Sasuke.

Sasuke's sharingan deactivates after Kirin, and he can only continue the fight due to Orochimaru & the curse mark. Sasuke had more chakra, yet ran out 1st. He ran out 1st and he used smaller techniques which don't consume as much chakra.
Sasuke also, doesn't manage to use as many techniques in his fight against Danzo due to chakra levels and amount used by Amaterasu & Susanoo.
Sasuke when at the Kage summit, mentions how hard it was for him to use an incomplete Susanoo & thinks about how bad it was for Itachi.

All of these things lead me to say. If Itachi did have low Chakra, it didn't stop him one bit. And even if it was low, it seems it was still higher than Sasuke's. The databook will say Sasuke's is higher. I'm just pointing out what happened.

Thoughts?

Alright, I believe many of the facts you have pointed out are true, but they have been mentioned before.
Bold 1
Itachi did have low chakra. The fact that he managed to use more jutsu than Sasuke and still have more chakra than him at the end was because of something called Chakra Control.
Looking back, we saw the fight between Hiruzen and Orochimaru. Hiruzen, at the age of 68, had an extremely low stamina due to his age. Now, Hiruzen was able to use multiple high level fire-techniques and earth-techniques, as well as fighting on par with two hokages, albeit not well controlled. Even after an exhausting fight, Hiruzen managed to seal Orochimaru's arms, a feat that was to be marvelled at by many. Why was he able to accomplish this feat? Because Hiruzen's chakra control was so great he did not even waste a tiny bit of chakra with each jutsu. Naruto, who had very little chakra control, used up much more chakra than it would normally take to perform a technique.
Itachi, who had more mastery over the MS techniques and normal ninjutsu than Sasuke, wasted much less chakra than him, which also brings me to Bold 2.
Bold 2
You bring up the point that Sasuke did not use many techniques against Danzo. This is not true in my opinion. Sasuke used Tsukyomi, Amaterusu, and Susano'o. Plus, Sasuke also used a fire technique.
However, we must take into account the fact that Sasuke had only recently unlocked MS. He did not have as much experience or control as Itachi had. Susano'o would naturally take more of a toll on Sasuke since Sasuke would have lost more chakra.

 

[lswhyte123]

It's called chakra control. Some shinobi can use jutsu without it consuming so much chakra because of their excellent chakra control. Why do you think Itachi can always have his sharingan active? Because he has excellent mastery over it and it's only a minimal drain on his chakra.

Yeah, I know that. thanks though

Itachi's stamina is average; 2.5/5.
The reason he died was because of his illness and c0 chakra from the use of all those techniques.

Reason why sasuke run out of chakra and oro came out is because he used the body shedding technique which took most of his chakra, thats why although he has more chakra than itachi he run out first

Again I know this

That's kind of the point I'm making guys! I'm sick of everyone going by this 2.5 stat or 4.5 if you check other sources.
There is more too it and Itachi showed this over & over.
It gets my goat when I see people who always say Itachi would get beat once he uses one Tsukuyomi cause of his poor Chakra.
Mastery is what makes Itachi's low stamina a non issue. It takes a lot to develop urself so that your weaknesses won't affect you.

 

[lswhyte123]

Alright, I believe many of the facts you have pointed out are true, but they have been mentioned before.
Bold 1
Itachi did have low chakra. The fact that he managed to use more jutsu than Sasuke and still have more chakra than him at the end was because of something called Chakra Control.
Looking back, we saw the fight between Hiruzen and Orochimaru. Hiruzen, at the age of 68, had an extremely low stamina due to his age. Now, Hiruzen was able to use multiple high level fire-techniques and earth-techniques, as well as fighting on par with two hokages, albeit not well controlled. Even after an exhausting fight, Hiruzen managed to seal Orochimaru's arms, a feat that was to be marvelled at by many. Why was he able to accomplish this feat? Because Hiruzen's chakra control was so great he did not even waste a tiny bit of chakra with each jutsu. Naruto, who had very little chakra control, used up much more chakra than it would normally take to perform a technique.
Itachi, who had more mastery over the MS techniques and normal ninjutsu than Sasuke, wasted much less chakra than him, which also brings me to Bold 2.
Bold 2
You bring up the point that Sasuke did not use many techniques against Danzo. This is not true in my opinion. Sasuke used Tsukyomi, Amaterusu, and Susano'o. Plus, Sasuke also used a fire technique.
However, we must take into account the fact that Sasuke had only recently unlocked MS. He did not have as much experience or control as Itachi had. Susano'o would naturally take more of a toll on Sasuke since Sasuke would have lost more chakra.

I know all of this. But thanks for the input.

The only thing I will say is(and a lot of people make this mistake and I don't know why) Sasuke did not use Tsukuyomi. He just used a Genjutsu. Danzo insults Sasuke by saying it's a far cry from Itachi's Tsukuyomi.
I am very aware of chakra control thanks. Its mentioned very early on.

 

[-Vegeta-]

I know all of this. But thanks for the input.

The only thing I will say is(and a lot of people make this mistake and I don't know why) Sasuke did not use Tsukuyomi. He just used a Genjutsu. Danzo insults Sasuke by saying it's a far cry from Itachi's Tsukuyomi.
I am very aware of chakra control thanks. Its mentioned very early on.

It's stated in the databooks that you need amaterasu and tsukuyomi to awaken susanoo, so I think he may have used it. Either way he should definitely have it considering he has susanoo.

 

[lswhyte123]

thats right but sasuke hasnt died after all his battles proably itachi could normaly not use as many chakra as he used before he fight sasuke and died afterwards

Itachi didn't have chakra that was that low, is what I'm saying. The reason Itachi could still go further than others was because of his excellent mastery over his Sharingan and techs.
The death of Itachi was due to an illness,as I'm sure you know, not cause he used too much chakra.
Also, against Danzo, Karin gives Sasuke more chakra.

 

[lswhyte123]

It's stated in the databooks that you need amaterasu and tsukuyomi to awaken susanoo, so I think he may have used it. Either way he should definitely have it.

Whether he does or doesn't have it. He has not used it. Tsukuyomi is the one where the target is put into a seperate plane and time is controlled by the user.

True though, You do need both to be able to use Susanoo.

 

[Paintachi]

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Okay,so I've made this thread because a lot of people are under the impression (and it is true to a small degree) that Itachi had very little chakra.

It is true that he had low chakra levels when you compare it to the rest of his skills. That said, I still wanted to point out a few things.

This is not a hate thread,I am not an Itachi fanboy and I don't care if people think I'm right or wrong. I will explain it, you can read and either agree or disagree. Not my problem but thoughts & comments are appreciated.

I want to discuss the Itachi & Sasuke fight & the techniques he uses.

Check the manga as well, I did.

Itachi's Arsenol:
1, He starts the fight by using a Multi-layered Genjutsu.
2, He then finishes the Genjutsu battle with a Tsukuyomi(which is broken).
3, He uses the Summon Shuriken technique.
4, He uses a Kage Bunshin.
5, Uses his Crow Genjutsu/Illusion.
6, He uses 2 Katon Techniques.
7, Amaterasu which he uses twice. Also, if you notice he ignites the surrounding area in black flame to ensure Orochimaru's Snakes would not escape after he seals Orochimaru.
8, To survive Kirin, he activates Susanoo.
9, Seals Orochimaru after chopping off the Snakes heads.
10, His final technique was a seal for his Amaterasu,which he implants into Sasuke.

Sasuke's sharingan deactivates after Kirin, and he can only continue the fight due to Orochimaru & the curse mark. Sasuke had more chakra, yet ran out 1st. He ran out 1st and he used smaller techniques which don't consume as much chakra.
Sasuke also, doesn't manage to use as many techniques in his fight against Danzo due to chakra levels and amount used by Amaterasu & Susanoo.
Sasuke when at the Kage summit, mentions how hard it was for him to use an incomplete Susanoo & thinks about how bad it was for Itachi.

All of these things lead me to say. If Itachi did have low Chakra, it didn't stop him one bit. And even if it was low, it seems it was still higher than Sasuke's. The databook will say Sasuke's is higher. I'm just pointing out what happened.

Thoughts?

i agree with its true he has low chakra.
but he is one of the best characters in naruto which uses his chakra usefully .
its obv itachi never rush in a battle and loweres his character like other ninjas.

 

[ImLazyGetOverIt]

It's called chakra control. Some shinobi can use jutsu without it consuming so much chakra because of their excellent chakra control. Why do you think Itachi can always have his sharingan active? Because he has excellent mastery over it and it's only a minimal drain on his chakra.

Completely agreed!