Itachi Vs Kakashi(No Sharingans in this match)
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the reason i put kakashi above itachi on strengh is pure and simple,
normal kakashi and itachi has same strengh but kakashi can open at least 1 gate.
itachi can only use 20% of his muscles' strength like any ninja who don't know gates ,kakashi can use 100% of their strength with the 1st gate.
source : manga/databook
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I see this as a narrow victory for Kakashi. He definitely has the edge in ninjutsu, with counters to all of Itachi's elemental techniques. He has also shown more variety and versatility in their application.
They are roughly equal in taijutsu. Itachi has an advantage in speed, but not a large one, and it's hard to say how much of it is from the Sharingan. Kakashi has the advantage in strength, with the First Gate, (not counting any possible other ones) and another slight advantage in stamina. It's hard to say how much Itachi was hindered by his disease, but it was likely significant. However, without the Sharingan draining his chakra, Kakashi has, to my mind, slightly more stamina than even a healthy Itachi.
Genjutsu clearly goes to Itachi. He has more demonstrated techniques of a higher potency than Kakashi. On the other hand, it's not clear how much of the genjutsu expertise is due to the Sharingan. I can only recall one example of a non-Sharingan genjutsu cast by Itachi, and that was channeled through the Akatsuki ring, which likely had special features incorporated. Without the Sharingan, I place Itachi on roughly the same level in genjutsu as Kurenai, given that he was trapped by her and had to use the Sharingan to reverse her technique.
Intelligence-wise, I figure that Kakashi is the victor. For one thing, he advanced earlier thorugh the Shinobi ranks. Yes, there was a war on, and there was a lack of manpower, but that holds true in Itachi's situation as well. The village had suffered through the Kyuubi attack, with a decent chunk of their forces taken out, as well as the loss of three legendary ninja from the Konoha-area forces (Minato, Jiraiya, Orochimaru). But that isn't the point.
In their first confrontation, Kakashi appears to have the situation in hand until he's trapped in the Tsukuyomi, a genjutsu of unheard-of potency, cast by the totally unknown (to him and most of the Shinobi world) Mangekyou Sharingan, and loses. This doesn't really count in Itachi's favor, in the intelligence-stakes. Random, unheard of powerups do not mean you have outwitted your opponent.
In the second fight, while Itachi doesn't have more than 30% of his chakra, he's also legitimately outsmarted. Both parties now know roughly what the other is capable of, yet Kakashi traps him in a deadlock by having him genjutsu a bunshin. (and having Naruto Rasengan the crap out of a corpse, but hey).
So, first fight goes to Itachi, via him revealing one of his trump cards, a pretty much impossible technique. (Cast with the Sharingan, which is banned this battle.)
Second fight to Kakashi via fooling the opponent with a bunshin.
Kakashi is smarter.
Also, nin-dogs are cooler than ravens.
They are roughly equal in taijutsu. Itachi has an advantage in speed, but not a large one, and it's hard to say how much of it is from the Sharingan. Kakashi has the advantage in strength, with the First Gate, (not counting any possible other ones) and another slight advantage in stamina. It's hard to say how much Itachi was hindered by his disease, but it was likely significant. However, without the Sharingan draining his chakra, Kakashi has, to my mind, slightly more stamina than even a healthy Itachi.
Genjutsu clearly goes to Itachi. He has more demonstrated techniques of a higher potency than Kakashi. On the other hand, it's not clear how much of the genjutsu expertise is due to the Sharingan. I can only recall one example of a non-Sharingan genjutsu cast by Itachi, and that was channeled through the Akatsuki ring, which likely had special features incorporated. Without the Sharingan, I place Itachi on roughly the same level in genjutsu as Kurenai, given that he was trapped by her and had to use the Sharingan to reverse her technique.
Intelligence-wise, I figure that Kakashi is the victor. For one thing, he advanced earlier thorugh the Shinobi ranks. Yes, there was a war on, and there was a lack of manpower, but that holds true in Itachi's situation as well. The village had suffered through the Kyuubi attack, with a decent chunk of their forces taken out, as well as the loss of three legendary ninja from the Konoha-area forces (Minato, Jiraiya, Orochimaru). But that isn't the point.
In their first confrontation, Kakashi appears to have the situation in hand until he's trapped in the Tsukuyomi, a genjutsu of unheard-of potency, cast by the totally unknown (to him and most of the Shinobi world) Mangekyou Sharingan, and loses. This doesn't really count in Itachi's favor, in the intelligence-stakes. Random, unheard of powerups do not mean you have outwitted your opponent.
In the second fight, while Itachi doesn't have more than 30% of his chakra, he's also legitimately outsmarted. Both parties now know roughly what the other is capable of, yet Kakashi traps him in a deadlock by having him genjutsu a bunshin. (and having Naruto Rasengan the crap out of a corpse, but hey).
So, first fight goes to Itachi, via him revealing one of his trump cards, a pretty much impossible technique. (Cast with the Sharingan, which is banned this battle.)
Second fight to Kakashi via fooling the opponent with a bunshin.
Kakashi is smarter.
Also, nin-dogs are cooler than ravens.
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It's people like this that make me happy we don't all live on one BIG ASS continent... Was there a reason to be such a douche?
Worse than "U mad bro?", is a giant LOL.
Anyway, all of Itachi's genjutsu are byproducts of his Sharingan as far as we know. Itachi told Bee not to "look into" his eyes using a normal Sharingan AFTER Itachi used a crow genjutsu. We have no idea if Ephemeral is a result of Kekkai Genkai as well.
So they both would have Suiton, Itachi would have Katon, while Kakashi would have Raiton and Doton.
Kakashi would win, or they'd kill themselves in the struggle.
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lol if itachi rushes kakashi at full speed kakashi wont have time to do shit u must dont kno how dast he is cuz if u did u would hav not hav said this also u think it would be that easy lol u must be a uchiha hater.it does not increase his speed he just knos were to dodge thats all.kakashi dies a bad death to a uchiha.
kotoamatsukami
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HA!!!!! did u not see itachi point his finger an cast genjutsu did u not see him cast genjutsu just by lifting up his cape like he did to naruto i dont think u did.kakashi will lose itachi is to fast it dont matter that he can counter itachi moves he has to land a hit first an good luck with that he can probly beeat a sick itachi but healthy thats a hell no besides we dont even kno all of itachi genjutsu.
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Suiton & katon counters any elemental jutsu kakashi uses
Exploding clones & skill with projectile weapons over power kakashi
Superior speed/ taijutsu & finger genjutsu do the job
Suiton & katon counters any elemental jutsu kakashi uses
Exploding clones & skill with projectile weapons over power kakashi
Superior speed/ taijutsu & finger genjutsu do the job
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If they both have the same number then they are equal and we can't differentiate it any more. I said that they both either had 3 or they both either had 3.5. It is not the same in speed, where Itachi is actually faster.
Hypocritical? Not really. Learn to read properly please. If they are equal I said they are equal, otherwise I said who was better. There is no around equal, there is equality and inequality.
EDIT: Kakashi apparently does have more stamina than Itachi. I thought they the databooks had them both at 3's
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eyesofthekyuubi44
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Hey....Who let you back into Narutobase?
You are also assuming that Kakashi wouldn't be able to break the Genjutsu anyway. Lifting up his cape? When was that done without Sharingan being activated? Lifting up his cape was probably part of the illusion itself....
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Sharingan was activated when he did that buddy.
So I did read back into the fight with Naruto and Itachi where he used his finger (which is called Ephemeral, dumb ass), and you were right about the finger as Itachi said it himself.
How do you know that by that time Kakashi wouldn't be underground? He still has Doton.... You make too many assumptions.
Seriously, who let you back onto Narutobase?
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kotoamatsukami
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fuc u mean who let me bac in i run this shit u tried to get me kicked out snitch.itachi always has his sharingan activated of coures his sharingan was activated when he lift up his cape he never takes it off.wat u mean he gone be under ground look kakashi loses with or without sharingan.itachi genjutsu activate so fast u wont even kno ur in it kakashi cant use his lightnig blade he needs the sharingan without the sharingan that move leaves him wide open.
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i agree with u ^^
if u look at databook itachi has overall more without sharingan.
in almost every fight kakashi was trying so hard to beat itachi even with more backup he was trying hes best while itachi was chilling and manipulating his team. and as we all saw the taijutsu kakashi got his ass handed to itachi. i c kakashi only wining in strength and chakra for the rest he is also a genius but itachi is stated in the manga as 1 time genius.
now if you look to every fight itachi vs kakashi you should see kakashi without sharingan is just critically toast against itachi without even itachi at young age pocess more than kakashi like i said b4
look at the ages first itachi=around 22 joined akatsuki when 14-16 years old and couldn proceed to strengthen his skills
while kakashi= around 35 i mean he got all his chances to learn jutsu and copy everything with his sharingan.
how could you guys on NARUTOBASE FOOL YOURSELF??????????
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you guys think o lets the sharingan off itachi than he is nothing
but kakashi no no no he doesn need sharingan?
lol
i mean since when did he fought itachi without his sharingan?
kakashi mostly directly activated it and was trying his best at 100 % yet he didn beat him in speed,taijutsu and genjutsu lol
so wtf?????????/
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