Gaara isn't weak, He's the second strongest Kage
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MinatoFLASH
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i think it goes
Oonoki he can fly dust/lightening and weight techniques. and extremely durable (asteroids)
A: Fast and Strong as fuuhh, durable (but lacking in brains)
Gaara: Sand, Smart, tactical, durable
Tsunade: Brawn, common sense, medical jutsu (both offensive and defensive)
Mei: ...lava spit, corrosive mist, and blinding mist.
Oonoki he can fly dust/lightening and weight techniques. and extremely durable (asteroids)
A: Fast and Strong as fuuhh, durable (but lacking in brains)
Gaara: Sand, Smart, tactical, durable
Tsunade: Brawn, common sense, medical jutsu (both offensive and defensive)
Mei: ...lava spit, corrosive mist, and blinding mist.
tracytracy22
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I agree with you thar gaara aint weak but the 2nd strongest kage? I'm not sure about that. And thinking about that shino thing, he could actually cause gaara trouble. His sand is infused with chakra so couldnt shino's bugs just eat through his sand (they consume chakra)? Anyways...
Gaara vs Mei
I think you underestimate Mei. She has 3 elemental affinities (Earth, fire and water) and can utilise the lava and boil element. Being able to use 5 element makes her extremely versatile. True, she cant use her boil release in an open area (Well we actually dont know that) but she can still utilise her lava element. She was able to spam her Melting Apparition Technique against Madara, which Madara noted was a high level technique and a powerfull offense. His statement is supported by the fact that his susanno was actually beginning to melt (you can go back and read the chapter if you want). This leads me to belive that her lava could actually defeat his sand defences if shes able to spew up sufficient amounts of lava. I dont know who would win. We havnt really seen enough of her. Oh btw, you said that "yes she has two KGs, but that doesn't make someone strong if thats all she can do, no summonings, no taijutsu, no genjutsu, and one of the KG's doesn't work unless her opponent is in a sealed of area". Gaara hasnt shown any summonings, taijutsu or genjutsu.
Gaara vs Tsunade
At the moment, im pretty sure Gaara would beat her. We really havn't seen much from tsunade. Her Genesis Rebirth would be extremely useful. I'd actually like to make one point. You said gaara can beat mei, raikage and tsunade, making him the 2nd strongest kage. Well your an idiot. That doesnt make him the strongest kage. Asuming he can beat tsunade, mei and the raikage, it just makes him a bad match-up for them, especially tsunade, who relies on taijutsu.
I'm not going to get into Gaara vs raikage/tsuchikage. The tsuchikage is actually similar to gaara in that he has an extremely strong offense and defence. I think the tsuchikage could beat gaara (although there is the stamina issue), but that doesnt mean the tsuchikage is stronger that him.
The point that I wanted to make was if X can beat Y, it doesnt necessarily mean that X is stronger than Y. X might just be a bad match-up from Y.
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Uchihas with Big Guns
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Oonoki can't land a hit but we've seen A jump extremely high + he will out last oonoki 1 lightning oppression its over
Itachi Namikaze
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How high do you think he can jump? Onoki can fly. I don't understand how people aren't getting that, not only can he fly but he can fly very fast, it isn't like Gaara levitating on sand.
Onoki is without a doubt the strongest kage. People can argue but it won't change anything. Any of the kages can beat any of the other kages depending on circumstances but some will always have a better chance than others.
Onoki - has 3 elements, (in case anyone didn't that a kekkei tota had 3) and can combine them to make dust release one of the most powerful ninjutsus in terms of destructive force, being rivaled by possibly only the TBB.
I am not counting chibaku tensei or that meteor attack because while they are powerful they don't cause the same type of damage I am talking about, they are more physical while TBB and dust release are more chakra based. If hit with this none of the five kages can survive, even Gaara behind his sand.
Probably one of the biggest factors that makes Onoki better than the other kages is the fact that he can fly, and as was noted by either Deidara or Kabuto, he can fly very quickly. The raikage's attacks are only useful on the ground so if Onoki were to take to the air A could do nothing.
Another thing that gives him steep advantages over the other kages is his ability that makes him able to fly, he can change the weight of things. He has already changed A's weight and has done it to Gaara's sand, so it is very obvious that he could use that to his advantage in battle. If he made Gaara's sand ultra heavy then it would also be much slower and consume much more chakra from Gaara. If he used an earth clone and did this to A then he could make A either super light so that his punches do no damage, or he could make him super heavy so that he can't run quickly, if at all.
Onoki also seems to have large chakra reserves, as he has been fighting very high level people nearly non-stop for a while now.
Mei and Tsunade have almost nothing they can hurt Onoki with. Tsunade can't fly nor can she withstand dust release and her summons is too large and slow to be able to dodge dust release.
Mei has two KG, but if Onoki is flying then her abilities are useless against him, and she has shown no speed feats to be able to adequately dodge Onoki's attacks.
Lastly Onoki has a very strong defense of stone golems that he can use to protect himself from large scale attacks.
So while it may be true that each of the kages has a chance against the others, it seems obvious to me that Onoki is the undisputed strongest of the current kages.
Kyuubikiller
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+ Rep, I agree with this 100 percent
The only thing I am certain about is that Onooki is the strongest, the rest of the kages in my opinion do not fall in a ABC order of strongest to weakest. I think of it like this: A may be stronger then B, but C may be able to beat A, that;s how I see it.
leezagboola
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i dont agree with your order at all, firstly i would sat tsunade is the weakest because she isnt a fighter, she is a medical ninja so would lose against all of them even if she did summon the slug, and if she undid her seal she would just turn into a old lady and possibly go into a coma.
With A and oonoiki i dunno, theyre both old people now so gaara could have an advantage by being young and more energetic especially with onooki.
And i think mei is pretty strong too with her 2 kekkai genkai, but yes i dunno how she would go in hand to hand combat but maybe she has more techniques up her sleeve.
So i would place him at least 3rd
With A and oonoiki i dunno, theyre both old people now so gaara could have an advantage by being young and more energetic especially with onooki.
And i think mei is pretty strong too with her 2 kekkai genkai, but yes i dunno how she would go in hand to hand combat but maybe she has more techniques up her sleeve.
So i would place him at least 3rd
tracytracy22
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Again, just because X can beat Y doesnt mean X is stronger than Y. Your right in saying that onoki has various advantages bla bla bla and that he could beat all the kage...although im not sure if he can beat the raikage. If his flying ability uses chakra then he cant stay up there forever. His dust release seems to use up large amounts of chakra and I dont think he'll be able to hit the raikage...he just to fast. You made a good point in that onoki can make the raikage heavier but wouldnt onoki want to stay away from the raikage and avoid getting into a close quarters fight?
Assuming he can beat all the kage, this doesn't mean he is the strongest. He's just a bad match-up for them - his ability to fly allows him to keep away from the opponent (very usefull against raikage and tsunade) and he can then proceed to use dust release or any other long range technique.
Another example could be kurenai vs hidan. I think most people would say that hidan is stronger than kurenai, however, kurenai has a great advantage over hidan as shes faster and is a genjutsu master (her skills are said to rival those of itachi according to the databook). Kurenai can just use her Tree Binding Death to bind hidan (he has shown no skill in genjutsu and he is pretty stupid) abd cut his head off. Kurenai wins. This doesn't mean that she is stronger that him though.
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Itachi Namikaze
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I think that on the whole Onoki is better than the other kages. For the most part anyone they can beat, he can beat. There are exceptions, but not many, a handful at best.
I mentioned in my post an earth clone in regards to changing A's weight. It would probably be foolish for Onoki to try and get in close to A so that is why he would use an earth clone to do it.
Also A might be able to dodge Dust release but I am not sure the range of it. Do you remember that turtle island? Onoki was stopped from using Dust release because he was told that it would blow up the entire island. A is fast but not fast enough to traverse that island before Onoki can pull off his jutsu.
tracytracy22
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Oh I completely missed the earth clone part! Im really sorry about that! And you bring up a good point about the island turtle - Thats one of the first things I thought of but I just dismissed it! But I still think speed is a huge factor. It really depends on the situation. If A is able to get the first hit then onoki is finished. Like if they are both on the ground, couldnt A just catch onoki off guard with his speed (I think its almost instantaneous
). You get what I mean?Thanks! And yeh I do agree with you when you say he is probably the strongest of the kage but you cant go by the whole if X beat Y then X is stronger thing. I think my kurenai vs hidan example supports my argument.
Itachi Namikaze
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I almost never use that A>B>C logic because this isn't math. The characters powers aren't linear in strength.Oh I completely missed the earth clone part! Im really sorry about that! And you bring up a good point about the island turtle - Thats one of the first things I thought of but I just dismissed it! But I still think speed is a huge factor. It really depends on the situation. If A is able to get the first hit then onoki is finished. Like if they are both on the ground, couldnt A just catch onoki off guard with his speed (I think its almost instantaneous
Thanks! And yeh I do agree with you when you say he is probably the strongest of the kage but you cant go by the whole if X beat Y then X is stronger thing. I think my kurenai vs hidan example supports my argument.
I think the only time I have said that is when two characters are basically the exact same and being able to beat one amounts to beating the other. Like the third raikage and 4th raikage. One is faster and one is stronger (more durable) but other than that they are basically the exact same and fight the exact same way so beating one should amount to beating the other.
However this is a rare case, otherwise that logic never works out.
EDIT: I agree A could blitz Onoki right off the bat, but if they planned on fighting then Onoki would almost surely take to the air knowing how the raikage fights.
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