Is Tobi's Dimensional Transfer a MS Technique

[Phoenix Sage]

Just wanted to open up this discussion about Tobi's Sharingan because Neloangelo13 believes it to be something else and I wanted more input (this is my first Thread so please be nice)...

....I think it would be wise to not state [Tobi's Sharingan] as a Mangekyou ability for two reasons. One is that we never saw a form of MS on Tobi's eyes. Why? Either he doesnt have it or Kishi is doing this intentionally to troll us. The second reason is that we cant label it as a MS ability just because it is a space time that uses the same effect as Kakashi's Kamui. Why? Because space time ninjutsu exists in the Narutoverse in general. Three abilities like this one is the FTGT that Minato used and the Summoning and Reverse Summoning techniques. Thats my opinion though doesnt mean its 100% right but thats what i believe.

True we may never see a physical form of MS on Tobi's eyes, but we cannot deny the fact that Kamui, looks extremely similar to Tobi's technique. Not to mention, when Tobi is saving Sasuke's ass after Sasuke used his MS too much during the Danzo fight and after this happens:

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How can Kakashi's MS (or "techniques like that" as Tobi says) not be effective against Tobi. It is due to his own skill with his MS and/or his ability to make his body tangible (you cannot transfer something that really isnt there).

After some research the physical appearance of Kakashi's Kamui and Tobi's Technique is highlighted here:

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(Tobi's Dimensional Transfer-Created by MS in theory)

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(Kakashi's Dimensional Transfer-Created by MS)

There is definitely a difference in the physical appearance of the technique, but based on the facts we know we can rule out the following:

1.Flying Thunder God: is utilized by transfering oneself from one special seal to another.

2.Summoning and Reverse Summoning: require blood and sometimes a scroll to complete. And also creates sealing marks where the object/being is being summoned.

Presently, we can only confirm the existance of one other technique that is a dimensional transfer: Kakashi's MS. There may be a physical difference between the two, but I believe that to be due to the skill of the user, and the fact that Kakashi is NOT an Uchiha as I believe Tobi to be (which is up for discussion elsewhere).

So I believe that all this leads us that Tobi has Mangekyou Sharingan.


Tobi's body itself is a separate mystery. Different from his sharingan.

Capable of phasing through:

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Being completely solid:

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And taking parts right off with goo inside:

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We've see similar Earth Release Techniques:

Kakuzu could harden his body incredibly. Oonoki can turn physical matter into dust. (I am not saying that Tobi posses Dust Techniques but its possible he is a master Earth Release User.)

What are your thoughts?

 

[Bigfoot34501]

I agree with you about Tobi having MS. I just want to add that it also requires at least MS to control the nine-tails, although we only saw the basic Sharingan, but that's because Kishi is probably trolling us

 

[Gingka Uzumaki]

Tobi is a Physical, Mental, Emotional, Astral, and Space-Time Anomaly.

 

[Draegod]

NO! Why because it has not been stated or shown that he does... He's a troll thats been lying to everyone, simple as that. Just has a Bad ass sharingan.lol Minato and Tobimaru used Space Time with out Ms let alone sharingan, so it isnt hard to beleive he just has S/T with his sharingan..

 

[Allan Hoshigaki]

who knows not sure his been using that technique since the attack 16yrs ago

 

[Blaze Release]

That isnt part of the sharigan's abilities as far as im aware, therefore its an ms tech.

Also you truly believe tobi would have one sharigan and one rennigan, lmao.
Come on, that isnt a regural sharigan he has, its obviously imo

 

[Phoenix Sage]

NO! Why because it has not been stated or shown that he does... He's a troll thats been lying to everyone, simple as that. Just has a Bad ass sharingan.lol Minato and Tobimaru used Space Time with out Ms let alone sharingan, so it isnt hard to beleive he just has S/T with his sharingan..

Minato used S/T Techniques via the FTG. Tobimaru's S/T we lack details about, do you think that a Senju would be using the same S/T as an Uchiha? They are most likely different. Tobi must have MS.

That isnt part of the sharigan's abilities as far as im away, therefore its an ms tech.

Also you truly believe tobi would have one sharigan and one rennigan, lmao.
Come on, that isnt a regural sharigan he has, its obviously imo

It was obivious to me that he had MS. Some people dont believe like Draegod^ up there.

 

[Disquiet]

I've been wondering that too, it does seem like a little too much even for a MS, I mean he can warp things into a different dimension, make his body disappear, almost like he's erasing his existence according to hinata, he can also enter that dimension, bring whatever he warped back into the real world, and let's not forget can travel anywhere he wants in an instant. and this all suppose to be from one MS eye.

 

[jghayes]

what does "imo" mean?

 

[Disquiet]

what does "imo" mean?

in my opinion

 

[jghayes]

ohh thought so

 

[Phoenix Sage]

I've been wondering that too, it does seem like a little too much even for a MS, I mean he can warp things into a different dimension, make his body disappear, almost like he's erasing his existence according to hinata, he can also enter that dimension, bring whatever he warped back into the real world, and let's not forget can travel anywhere he wants in an instant. and this all suppose to be from one MS eye.

Good thinking. It seems that his body and its tangibility are one mystery all in itself. But entering that r othedimension and being knowlegeable about how to use it and be able to appear anywhere seems to be all linked together from one source.

Tobi has to use the eye enter/exit. He must absorb himself before he can travel any large distance at the speed of light, suggesting the same as bove. Utilizing the other dimension for travel, storage, anything. But the power derives from one source...the MS.

The tangibiltiy is what is throwing me for a loop?

 

[Disquiet]

Good thinking. It seems that his body and its tangibility are one mystery all in itself. But entering that r othedimension and being knowlegeable about how to use it and be able to appear anywhere seems to be all linked together from one source.

Tobi has to use the eye enter/exit. He must absorb himself before he can travel any large distance at the speed of light, suggesting the same as bove. Utilizing the other dimension for travel, storage, anything. But the power derives from one source...the MS.

The tangibiltiy is what is throwing me for a loop?

agreed those techs seem to be different from one another. but on the issue of the MS, it seems as though it's a tech that has never been seen before, I'm not trying to turn this into a who is tobi thread, but the known people to have MS is madara, izuna, itachi, shisui, and sasuke. all these people have been in action with their MS, izuna and madara specifically used theirs to rise to power during a HUGE war.

so yeah, it makes you question how were those techs hidden if they were all part of an MS. I do think that some of them is unique to tobi.

 

[Phoenix Sage]

agreed those techs seem to be different from one another. but on the issue of the MS, it seems as though it's a tech that has never been seen before, I'm not trying to turn this into a who is tobi thread, but the known people to have MS is madara, izuna, itachi, shisui, and sasuke. all these people have been in action with their MS, izuna and madara specifically used theirs to rise to power during a HUGE war.

so yeah, it makes you question how were those techs hidden if they were all part of an MS. I do think that some of them is unique to tobi.

Wouldn't you say that the powers of the MS depend on the weilder. MS awakens Susanoo and each Susanoo we've seen has been unique to its weilder in appearance and power. Dimensional Transfers appears to be another power of the MS like Kakashi's kamuii. Kakashi cannot awaken Susanoo and we haven't seen Tobi do it either. Questions my thought that tobi is an Uchiha.

TOBI's Sharingan MUST BE A MS tech.

 

[Disquiet]

Wouldn't you say that the powers of the MS depend on the weilder. MS awakens Susanoo and each Susanoo we've seen has been unique to its weilder in appearance and power. Dimensional Transfers appears to be another power of the MS like Kakashi's kamuii. Kakashi cannot awaken Susanoo and we haven't seen Tobi do it either. Questions my thought that tobi is an Uchiha.

TOBI's Sharingan MUST BE A MS tech.

I know that, I was just elaborating a bit more on the tangibility and dimensional transfer being separate.

 

[Phoenix Sage]

I know that, I was just elaborating a bit more on the tangibility and dimensional transfer being separate.

Oh ok then I misunderstood. Thanks

 

[Disquiet]

Oh ok then I misunderstood. Thanks

np

 

[Neloangelo13]

Just wanted to open up this discussion about Tobi's Sharingan because Neloangelo13 believes it to be something else and I wanted more input (this is my first Thread so please be nice)...





True we may never see a physical form of MS on Tobi's eyes, but we cannot deny the fact that Kamui, looks extremely similar to Tobi's technique. Not to mention, when Tobi is saving Sasuke's ass after Sasuke used his MS too much during the Danzo fight and after this happens:

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How can Kakashi's MS (or "techniques like that" as Tobi says) not be effective against Tobi. It is due to his own skill with his MS and/or his ability to make his body tangible (you cannot transfer something that really isnt there).

After some research the physical appearance of Kakashi's Kamui and Tobi's Technique is highlighted here:

You must be registered for see links

(Tobi's Dimensional Transfer-Created by MS in theory)

You must be registered for see links

(Kakashi's Dimensional Transfer-Created by MS)

There is definitely a difference in the physical appearance of the technique, but based on the facts we know we can rule out the following:

1.Flying Thunder God: is utilized by transfering oneself from one special seal to another.

2.Summoning and Reverse Summoning: require blood and sometimes a scroll to complete. And also creates sealing marks where the object/being is being summoned.

Presently, we can only confirm the existance of one other technique that is a dimensional transfer: Kakashi's MS. There may be a physical difference between the two, but I believe that to be due to the skill of the user, and the fact that Kakashi is NOT an Uchiha as I believe Tobi to be (which is up for discussion elsewhere).

So I believe that all this leads us that Tobi has Mangekyou Sharingan.


Tobi's body itself is a separate mystery. Different from his sharingan.

Capable of phasing through:

You must be registered for see links

Being completely solid:

You must be registered for see links

And taking parts right off with goo inside:

You must be registered for see links

We've see similar Earth Release Techniques:

Kakuzu could harden his body incredibly. Oonoki can turn physical matter into dust. (I am not saying that Tobi posses Dust Techniques but its possible he is a master Earth Release User.)

What are your thoughts?

Hello! Well lets see what we have here.
Kamui looks like Tobi's warp thingie and its effect is the same. Everyone agree on this one. And it was the major reason why people are supporting that Tobi might be Obito (tbh i hate that theory its just :flaw: ). The other part where u say about Kakashi's abilities being ineffective against Tobi is right, in my opinion, because as u said u cant teleport away something that isnt even there. Physical appearence. These two pics show us that there is a small difference. Maybe we can say that Kamui is "sucking" things like a black hole and Tobi's Jutsu is warping them through dimensions. As u said FTGT requires a mark in order to jump there and the Summoning technique requires seals and it has that smoke effect when its done. Those two have differences right? Would it be wrong if a third S/T jutsu appears in Narutoverse that wouldnt leave a trace like summoning nor require marks like FTGT? This is why i say that it's more likely to be just a simple S/T jutsu than an MS ability.

Anyway i d like to thank you for this conversation as i mentioned at the discussion thread i had wekks to talk with ppl that actually use their brains in order to post things and state their opinions. Cheers

 

[Baldy]

For me, it can be both MS or S/T Nin. We have never seen Tobi use MS before but we cannot rule out the fact that it is a MS technique. On the other hand, it can be just a space/time ninjutsu. If Tobi did not use MS, then it must be a S/T nin. Why? Because the Sharingan does not have that ability. From what we know, Sharingan is basically a dojutsu that copies ninjutsu and allows you to read an opponents move. That has nothing to do with S/T nin.

 

[Baka Sennin]

if it was an ms ability, he'd probably be blind by now (unless supplementary ms techniques don't cause blindness like kamui and maybe shisui's ability)

how many abilities does kishi plan to pack into one set of eyes ? :/