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Who do you think Tobi is:

  • Jubbi

    Votes: 21 3.0%
  • Sage of Six Paths

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Elder son of Sage of Sixth Path

    Votes: 65 9.3%
  • Izuna uchiha

    Votes: 105 15.0%
  • Kagami uchiha

    Votes: 71 10.1%
  • Obito Uchiha

    Votes: 77 11.0%
  • Fugaku Uchiha

    Votes: 16 2.3%
  • Zetsu

    Votes: 16 2.3%
  • Madara's split personality (created before original body died.)

    Votes: 66 9.4%
  • A copycat whose rolemodel is Madara.

    Votes: 13 1.9%
  • Tobirama

    Votes: 15 2.1%
  • An unknown Uchiha

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Real Madara in Zetsu body

    Votes: 28 4.0%
  • Some one from Madara's time ( can't decide though)

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • Danzou

    Votes: 8 1.1%
  • Setsuna Uchiha

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • Shisui

    Votes: 14 2.0%
  • An Uzumaki

    Votes: 15 2.1%
  • Madara's Son

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • A woman

    Votes: 21 3.0%
  • Obito's father

    Votes: 19 2.7%
  • Someone Other than these

    Votes: 24 3.4%
  • First Edo tensie

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • An alien ( Superman/ HeMan/whatnot)

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • I am the best. I have no theory. ( Not anymore at least.)

    Votes: 22 3.1%

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Re: Tobi is an Uchiha

The manga does state how Izuna died. Well at least Tobi did. He said that Izuna died because he continued to fight even though he was blind from Madara taking his eyes. He was eventually killed during battle.
 

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Some toughts and notes on tobi

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Tobi says that his wounds form the battle with the 1st hokage were too deep, so he's powerless, nothing more than a shell of his former self, which would explain why he sucks in taijutsu. ET Madara mentioned nothing of the such, making them two different persons.
but this begs me to wander exactly what did Hashirama do to him to degrade him to his present state? an unknown jutsu?

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Nagato never read the Uchiha stone...he's just quoting what he heard form someone/somewhere else.. "...The sage of six paths was said to have created"

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(slippers)

Idk the Izuna theory seems to be the one with the most proff so far...but am hoping for the So6p elder son.
 

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Re: Tobi (Official Breakdown):All Tobi theories go here:-

Originally Posted by Sinnister View Post
If you think about it, we have never seen an Uchiha that has lost his eyes and as a result transplanted a sharingan. All this bs about only Uchiha being able to turn on/off a sharingan is garbage because we have not seen it done. But we cannot rule out the possibility.

The original Madara could turn on/off the EMS, regular sharingan and Rinnegan.
Tobi has not shown this.

They develop "Moons eye plan".

Madara knew nagato because He(madara) transplanted the rinnegan(from tobi) to Nagato. That would explain the black out.

The rinnegan was given to Nagato because only an uzumaki has enough chakra to bring back Madara from a death that happened so long ago.

Flame on B!tches!
Nope. Nagato blacked out AFTER he killed the two nin who killed his parents, and , believe me, he needed rinnegan to do that= he got rinnegan from madara earlier than the manga tells us.
Flame on B!tch!

Guys, im pretty sure ive found the answer. any questions, ask me. so far ive managed to clear up all doubts.
COMERCIAL FOR MY THREAD
 
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Re: Tobi (Official Breakdown):All Tobi theories go here:-

I'm new here, so I just want to say hey to everyone!

But that's beside the point. I've been reading some of the theories here on this thread and I just wanted to point something out.

A couple of weeks I read this theory about the Sharingan and Madara.

To obtain the MS, you have to kill your best friend.
To obtain the EMS, you have to receive the eyes of your sibling (regardless if they were stolen or not and it takes two compatible siblings for this to work -- Madara and Izuna, Sasuke and Itachi)
However, to obtain the Rinnegan (a secret that only Madara knew of because he had read the stone tablet and Itachi said during his fight with Sasuke that he was the only person ever to decipher it) the EMS holder has to sacrifice himself (this, of course, is all speculation as no one but Kishi and Madara know).

Now, Madara and Izuna were very close and since Madara had read the tablet, he knew that he could obtain the Rinnegan and did so after sacrificing himself after his battle with Hashirama -- in which he "obtained" Hashirama's and by extension Senju's, power. He "won" because he looked to the future, because Tobi had said that every generation, a Senju and an Uchiha fight -- ultimately leading to an endless cycle of fighting between the two.

Madara and Izuna knew that it would go on and to secure the permanent victory of the Uchiha over the Senju in the next destined battle, Madara sacrificed himself and was defeated to make sure that the EMP would work, thus allowing the cycle to be broken with the Uchiha on top.

Now the matter with Tobi is that Tobi is Izuna. How? Well consider this:
Madara stated that the "Nagato brat grew up." Once Madara activated his Rinnegan (before he died), he gave the eyes to an infant Nagato. The moment that Nagato activated the Rinnegan, it would automatically revive Izuna, not Madara, because (as the theory that I read said) it is the will of the SO6P. The sibling who took the eyes was not entitled to a second life after death, but rather, the sibling who's eyes were taken from him would be revived. Madara probably didn't know this and when Nagato first awakened his eyes, it revived Izuna in the state in which Madara was in before he died (therefore allowing him to say that he was a "former shell" of who he use to be), who set forth his and Madara's plan. Izuna was probably planning to revive Madara later on (or not), but ultimately couldn't because it would conflict with the Edo Tensei.

Which brings me to the next point: Why hasn't Izuna activated the EMS or the MS. Well, we kinda can't ask that question since Kishi hasn't mentioned it. It is a manga and to speculate beyond what we can't know is just trivial. We don't know, only Kishi knows why he hasn't activated the MS or EMS.

Tobi can't be Hashirama or Tobirama because they were both Edo Tensei's of Orochimaru and were sealed in the Death God by Hiruzen, and by extension, it can't be the Yondaime Hokage because of the same situation, being sealed.

It is most likely not Zetsu because Zetsu is a product of Hashirama's cells and that is why they turn into trees when they come in contact with Naruto. Tobi would have turned into a tree. Plus, how would he have gotten the Sharingan and why would the other Zetsu's listen to him?

It's only a theory--just a fan's speculation on the matter. :D
 

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Re: Tobis Identity 100 percent spoiler

Freddie, I think you're right with Tobi's identity. The Izuna theory is the most plausble out of them all. One thing that bothered me was why Tobi wanted shisui's eye(s) - maybe there was some sort of brotherly bonds between them as to awaken EM sharigan? :eek:
 

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Re: Tobis Identity 100 percent spoiler

maybe he is a zetsu clone of madara? like with kisame i mean its not as strong as him but a 3rd of madaras power would be enough for most
 

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Tobi is Uchiha Setsuna

Tobi is Uchiha Setsuna

I know, Setsuna who? Well listen..

This is not my theory (credit to a turrin guy), but I read it, and I thought it was a very interesting read, and it introduces an entirely new character into the whole “hall of who is Tobi list”.

People who are on this list includes; Izuna,Some sort of artificial being ,shisui, kagami, and now this guy.


"While this is not my main theory as to Tobi's identity, I was reading some old chapters today & had a random thought as to who Tobi could be that no one has brought up before (at least that I know of). At first I dismissed this thought as being totally random & unlikely, but then I did a bit more research & i'm not so sure anymore.

Is Tobi, Uchiha Setsuna, I.E this guy:

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I think it's important to take note of the official viz translation of the text in this image at this juncture:

Tobi, "There were finally some Uchiha who discerned that motive and an anti-stablishment faction that had inherited my will."

Tobi goes on to say in the next panel, "but it unfortunately was too little, to late."

DB III also has a small blurb on Uchiha Setsuna saying the following:

"A shinobi from the Uchiha clan who harbored suspicion against Nidaime Hokage. He planed to regain sovereignty from the Senju clan."

So basically what we know about this guy, is that some time after Uchiha Madara's "death" Uchiha Setsuna inheriting Madara's will began to suspect the Senju & established a faction whose object was for the Uchiha clan to regain it's sovereignty from the Senju clan, however ultimately one way or another his rebellion failed.

While this is very little information to go on, from this alone we can establish a motive for Uchiha Setsuna to act as Tobi & align with Madara. On top of that considering in the above picture we see Uchiha Setsuna & Madara's Grave it's not hard to imagine that he may have realized Madara was not dead, just like Itachi & sought him out just like Itachi, but unlike Itachi Setsuna has a motive to become Madara's apprentice for real.

With that out of the way let's look at some possible visual clues that perhaps Setsuna could be Tobi:

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The red circles all out line things that I consider possible evidence.

1. Setsuna's hair can believably pass for Tobi's
2. Setsuna has black mask that covers most of his right face. Not only could this be an early sign of Tobi's building mask fetish :tobidream but we have seen the right side of Tobi's face & it looks kind of mangled or messed up in some way , so Setsuna face could also be mangled under the mask & be the reason for the mask
3. You can clearly see that Setsuna has a weapon on his back that has an identical handle to Madara's fan:

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A fan that Tobi has in his possession
4. The sash that Sentsuna uses to hold his weapon in place is very similar to the one that Tobi uses to hold his very similar weapon in place:
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One of these visual clues alone I would over look, but there are so many that it's kind of hard for me to completely ignore them.

Now the obvious counter point to the idea of Setsuna being Tobi, is the fact that he is just a random character that is only mentioned briefly in the Manga & DB III, so him being Tobi would be pointless & lame.

& this is what I thought first, but than I started thinking about it more & the more I thought about it dawned on me that yeah this guy is a random barely known dude, but that's why he could be Tobi. In chapter 561 [The Power of the Name], when the alliance questions why Tobi would use Madara's name, Tsunade responded as such:

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Given Tsunade's explanation it would make sense why someone like Uchiha Setsuna who in the history books is just a random Uchiha Police officer who rebelled against the Senju a long time ago would need to use the name of Uchiha Madara to bluff the Kage alliance into going to war. If he didn't than the Kages would be like the posters on this forum & say who the **** is Uchiha Setsuna & than laugh. So that idea to me is the genius of Tobi being Uchiha Setsuna because it explains why a character the Shinobi world & we the readers would barely recognize would put on the Tobi/Madara guise.

Also a guy like Setsuna who followed in Madara's footsteps, inherited his will, & perhaps was his apprentice may considering himself an incarnation of Madara anyways, just like Tobi talks about how he is also an incarnation of Rikudo.
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What do you guys think? Ironically, Tobi would truly be “no one”
 
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Re: Tobi is Uchiha Setsuna

I made a similar thread about him, but i was trolling tbh.
Yours seem legit although it porbably isnt him. Good theory though. Actually one of the best tobi theories
 

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Re: Tobi is Uchiha Setsuna

You don't want to hit yourself too hard :|

ok similarities don't mean their the same people
No, but it would certainly help when we are talking about an unknown masked man..

1)would explain why he used madara's name to start the war
2)His age would match the face we saw
3)the weapon and the hair seem similar
4)Would explain why he knows so much
 
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Re: Tobi is Uchiha Setsuna

You don't want to hit yourself too hard :|



No, but it would certainly help when we are talking about a unknown masked man..

1)would explain why he used madara's name to start the war
2)His age would match the face we saw
3)the weapon and the hair seems similar
4)Would explain why he knows so much
this
 

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Re: Tobi is Uchiha Setsuna

hey no fair i made the exact same thread before
Tobi is setsuna i made it before
with same pics and everything
I made a similar thread about him, but i was trolling tbh.
Yours seem legit although it porbably isnt him. Good theory though. Actually one of the best tobi theories

*Adds the Link to the Theory..*



Hey My theory seems to be old enough than anyone...O.O
 
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