GFX King of the Hill thingo I thought up

[Alternative]

when i said that some restrictions are needed i didn't mean that using real persons was a restriction for voting
it was just an example for the competition
i don't see allot of real people sigs on NB ans SOTW is mostly anime/game related
yea we had that band thing and some other but this competition could be real people only

voting is a whole different problem
and yea reasons for voting should be included or else the vote wont count or something like that

Did you not see my booby tag?

But voting is the main problem here, and the whole bias thing here will be inevitible. I still say we give it a crack in the GFX section to see what people think of it and see if it can be played out nicely.

 

['Kurapika]

I still want this idea to go ahead, but it is the problem of the general populus which we have to try and counter. I'll agree with the most people just posting in threads and saying "great" because it's used for post spamming, but I think we can counter this somehow.

We could either make it a set stock/render or character that you have to use, but that still leaves everyone posting for their friends and stuff. My other idea would be having a panel of people who'd be willing to help look into keeping this fair and stuff.

But thinking about it, you can make people state their reasons for voting for people and anyone's votes who say because of the chaaracter or they are their friend would be nullified, same for people who don't state why they voted. But all in all not much can be done about that problem, but there's no harm in going ahead with it just for a small time, right?

i don't think the friend part will be an issue , since everyone has friends :shrug:
if this voting is going to be open to 20.000 active users , than your 9 friends won't have much effect

and the character part shouldn't be an issue , since even in real life an artist must choose a character appealing to the masses , for example who would like a painting of hitler even if it was painted by rembrandt , and i don't believe people will vote for that reason solely maybe some fanboys but not the majority , so i need to be smart , i might make a one piece sig if i believed that that will give me a better chance , or i might chose minato because the minato banboys seem the most unreasonable and are more likely to vote based on that

and i assume the friend part can be considered a challenge as well

for example if mercy submits so many people will just vote for him without looking to the others , because they have the idea of him being "the cool guy" in the gfx part of the base , in order for a noob like me to become a king i'll have to be good enough to change people mentality

if we just remove all these factors it will be more like sofw

 

[Alternative]

i don't think the friend part will be an issue , since everyone has friends :shrug:
if this voting is going to be open to 20.000 active users , than your 9 friends won't have much effect

and the character part shouldn't be an issue , since even in real life an artist must choose a character appealing to the masses , for example who would like a painting of hitler even if it was painted by rembrandt , and i don't believe people will vote for that reason solely maybe some fanboys but not the majority , so i need to be smart , i might make a one piece sig if i believed that that will give me a better chance , or i might chose minato because the minato banboys seem the most unreasonable and are more likely to vote based on that

and i assume the friend part can be considered a challenge as well

for example if mercy submits so many people will just vote for him without looking to the others , because they have the idea of him being "the cool guy" in the gfx part of the base , in order for a noob like me to become a king i'll have to be good enough to change people mentality

if we just remove all these factors it will be more like sofw

The character issue you described is still part of the issue. You use Lady Gaga for a signature, and no one's going to like it because it's Lady Gaga. It's the same in reverse. People will vote for someone if they used Naruto as a focus instead of if someone used someone who isn't very well known instead.

And the friend problem is an issue, also with the favouritism part in people being well known around that area. Out of the 5000 people who come here on a daily basis, how many of those people actually visit the GFX sections regularly? And because of the general populus here people are more inclined to vote for their friends and people that are more well known rather than who is better.


So far it seems like the general contest would be alright, but the voting stuff is going to be hard to counter. If anyone has any ideas for it I'm all ears. I'd still like this to go ahead.

 

['Kurapika]

The character issue you described is still part of the issue. You use Lady Gaga for a signature, and no one's going to like it because it's Lady Gaga. It's the same in reverse. People will vote for someone if they used Naruto as a focus instead of if someone used someone who isn't very well known instead.

And the friend problem is an issue, also with the favouritism part in people being well known around that area. Out of the 5000 people who come here on a daily basis, how many of those people actually visit the GFX sections regularly? And because of the general populus here people are more inclined to vote for their friends and people that are more well known rather than who is better.


So far it seems like the general contest would be alright, but the voting stuff is going to be hard to counter. If anyone has any ideas for it I'm all ears. I'd still like this to go ahead.

IMO this is just another challenge , i might want to vote for my friend , but if you're good enough , i'll vote for you , along with your friends

and it's very important to choose what you work with in real life a well , if you chose to make a lady gaga sig it's your fault , you don't know what people want so you don't deserve to be king of the hill
you might wan't to choose someone that no body hates , or maybe take a risk and chose someone who has a lot of fans but at the same time has a lot of haters

if these aspects are all gone than we might as well just take a written test and compare our skills :shrug:

 

[Alternative]

So it's exactly the problem you're saying you'll do. It's favouritism. You saying that you'll vote for your friend unless the competitor is just amazing at it. Even if it was someone who made something amazing, and your friend made something with a stock, some lame text and border. It's not another challenge, it's favouritism.

 

['Kurapika]

So it's exactly the problem you're saying you'll do. It's favouritism. You saying that you'll vote for your friend unless the competitor is just amazing at it. Even if it was someone who made something amazing, and your friend made something with a stock, some lame text and border. It's not another challenge, it's favouritism.

but everyone has friends , and don't you want the amazing sigs to win
this means the amazing sig will get all the professional votes and and the friendly/suck up votes , and the ones who came to vote for their friends and had there minds blown away
believe me this isn't in my favor , i have 0 reputation as a gfxer or at least as a good one
but i think if these are not part of the challenge it will be just another sig of the week :shrug:

and do you agree on the character choosing part ?

 

[Alternative]

I've never once been against having this because of the "friend" factor, but people are going to vote because of favouritism and there's nothing you can do about it. It's not a challenge to overcome, unless it's for the people voting to see if they can overcome voting for their friends and voting for an amazing signature. I'll vote for whoever has a better signature, regardless of who they used or who they are, but you cannot help the fact that people will vote because of their friends.

Not to mention one of the clauses for this is that once you've made a signature and claimed the hill you can't make another one to try and compete with other people. It gives the idea that you have something clear to try and beat instead of having the unexpectancy of both people. If I'm trying to claim the hill, I know exactly what to do to try and win.

 

['Kurapika]

I've never once been against having this because of the "friend" factor, but people are going to vote because of favouritism and there's nothing you can do about it. It's not a challenge to overcome, unless it's for the people voting to see if they can overcome voting for their friends and voting for an amazing signature. I'll vote for whoever has a better signature, regardless of who they used or who they are, but you cannot help the fact that people will vote because of their friends.

Not to mention one of the clauses for this is that once you've made a signature and claimed the hill you can't make another one to try and compete with other people. It gives the idea that you have something clear to try and beat instead of having the unexpectancy of both people. If I'm trying to claim the hill, I know exactly what to do to try and win.

all that you said is true , but i thought this was a contest between the GFXers and not one piece of work , because the king is the best of the best , changing the king shouldn't be easy
at the moment i'll say the king would be mercy , but changing the king shouldn't be based on one sig , it should be based on overall performance , let's say dino made one sig that was better then mercy's
i think it shouldn't automatically make him a king , till he makes one good enough to change the minds of the suck ups so that they would vote for him instead
i guess it's more suiting like this since we are fighting for the title king , which should have many aspects like

choosing a character cleverly
having an better reputation
and having a better item for the vote

this way the king will be deserving of his title , and it will be harder to take him down

 

[Alternative]

This isn't even a competition to see who is the best GFXer on the site. It's to decide who gets to own the hypothetical hill.

The idea of this event is just to bring a little fun to the place, and you're making it super complicated saying it's about more than a game. The whole point is make a signature, and someone tries to beat it with whatever skills they have in signature making, not about who is better at it in general. I'll agree that it's about appealing the the people voting, but that's the point, it's about appealing to them. If you think a certain style will appeal to someone then go for it. Some people are better with smudge, and some people are better with C4D abuse and things like that.

If you think of it like a FPS game of King of the Hill, you try to take this hill in one way, and if it doesn't work, you try again with a different strategy. That's the point I'm trying to make. You fail, and you try again in a different way until you claim that hill.

 

['Kurapika]

This isn't even a competition to see who is the best GFXer on the site. It's to decide who gets to own the hypothetical hill.

The idea of this event is just to bring a little fun to the place, and you're making it super complicated saying it's about more than a game. The whole point is make a signature, and someone tries to beat it with whatever skills they have in signature making, not about who is better at it in general. I'll agree that it's about appealing the the people voting, but that's the point, it's about appealing to them. If you think a certain style will appeal to someone then go for it. Some people are better with smudge, and some people are better with C4D abuse and things like that.

If you think of it like a FPS game of King of the Hill, you try to take this hill in one way, and if it doesn't work, you try again with a different strategy. That's the point I'm trying to make. You fail, and you try again in a different way until you claim that hill.

i agree 100% but if you need to know why you failed , and address that
it doesn't matter why just find a solution , instead of limiting the complication let's just make them part of the game
but that is just my opinion , even thought that works against me "as if i will ever have any hope xd"

 

[Alternative]

Seems like we've reached a solution. Make something to appeal to the audience instead of all the zany stuff you mentioned which made no sense in the long run.

I'm going to start working on something for this and try to make it an official thing, but make it fun as well, so you can look out for it.

 

['Kurapika]

Seems like we've reached a solution. Make something to appeal to the audience instead of all the zany stuff you mentioned which made no sense in the long run.

I'm going to start working on something for this and try to make it an official thing, but make it fun as well, so you can look out for it.

yeah , i don't know how to express my self well in english
it's my third language

 

[Alternative]

Okay so I wrote something up for this as a possible opening post. I want more criticism on it for anything I should add or take out. I've made it taking into consideration everything that we've spoken about, so I want to know about everything from there.

Spoiler

GFX King of the Hill
Welcome to the GFX King of the Hill! Compete against other people to claim the title as the King of the GFX Hill!
Remember that this is based on a "first in, first serve" basis, so if you want to make something for this, you better be quick, or you lose out.​

How it works:​

- Two people will make a signature to compete against each other to try and claim this hill.
- The general population (you) will vote for who you think has made the best signature.
- The voting period will only be up for three days.
- If you vote you must post who you voted for and why you voted for them. Failure to do so will result in your vote being taken away.
- The winner of the battle will claim the right to the hill with their signature.
- Then someone else may try to claim the hill against the current king.​

To enter, PM Alternative with your entry and the title "King of the Hill - [username] v [current king]"​

Rules:​

- Follow all Narutobase Rules.
- All work submitted must be made by you.
- If you win, you cannot make another signature until you lose your reign of the hill.
- You cannot try to take over the hill twice in a row (if you try and lose, you have to wait for someone else before you)​

So without further adieu, I wish everyone the best and have fun with it!​

What do you guys think?

 

['Kurapika]

Okay so I wrote something up for this as a possible opening post. I want more criticism on it for anything I should add or take out. I've made it taking into consideration everything that we've spoken about, so I want to know about everything from there.

Spoiler

GFX King of the Hill
Welcome to the GFX King of the Hill! Compete against other people to claim the title as the King of the GFX Hill!
Remember that this is based on a "first in, first serve" basis, so if you want to make something for this, you better be quick, or you lose out.​

How it works:​

- Two people will make a signature to compete against each other to try and claim this hill.
- The general population (you) will vote for who you think has made the best signature.
- The voting period will only be up for three days.
- If you vote you must post who you voted for and why you voted for them. Failure to do so will result in your vote being taken away.
- The winner of the battle will claim the right to the hill with their signature.
- Then someone else may try to claim the hill against the current king.​

To enter, PM Alternative with your entry and the title "King of the Hill - [username] v [current king]"​

Rules:​

- Follow all Narutobase Rules.
- All work submitted must be made by you.
- If you win, you cannot make another signature until you lose your reign of the hill.
- You cannot try to take over the hill twice in a row (if you try and lose, you have to wait for someone else before you)​

So without further adieu, I wish everyone the best and have fun with it!​

What do you guys think?

i don't like the first to come is the first to be served part , that will only result in rushed work , or noobs like me submitting before the more experienced people submit
i think there should be a submission day where everyone can submit and they all enter the vote to climb the hill
and aren't you going to be part of the contest , how come the submissions are sent to you , i my self have no doubt in your integrity but some might find that strange :shrug:

 

[Alternative]

If everyone gets to put in a signature first then it will be a simple signature of the week. If you're willing to sacrifice quality for speed, then that's the risk you're going to take if someone can beat you with quality over speed. A normal event like this wouldn't be worried about if you can't get something in on time. If you don't get it in on time, then too bad. Work on something and submit it for the next king.

 

['Kurapika]

If everyone gets to put in a signature first then it will be a simple signature of the week. If you're willing to sacrifice quality for speed, then that's the risk you're going to take if someone can beat you with quality over speed. A normal event like this wouldn't be worried about if you can't get something in on time. If you don't get it in on time, then too bad. Work on something and submit it for the next king.

i just want to ask if no one got to beat the king , does the king hold his title
and if he is still the king does he have to submit a new sig , or does everyone compete with the sig that made him king
or does he have a choice

and let's say i'm king , and i don't want anyone good to have the chance to climb up
i'll just ask someone i know to keep submitting low quality shit and reduce the possibility of someone good competing against me
i think there should be like 10 slots open and one day to submit
and that wouldn't be like sig of the week because it will be open and your goal is to beat something instead of making a sig and hoping that it's good enough

and about submitting to you , that will give you an unfair advantage , what if you just make a sig from last submission and kept it for the next , that means yours is automatically the first because it's already on your computer , it doesn't matter how fast i send you the sig yours is already on you PC

 

[Alternative]

I thought that having it so that you submit stuff to me would be implied that I'm not going to enter this. It's only an example, if a staff member wants to take over then that's their choice.

For your first query, the king will hold the title, and he/she is not allowed to make another thing until they are kicked off the throne, and have to try again.

You wouldn't be asking though, since that is pseudo-bribing, in a sense and we don't want that. Also the person wouldn't be allowed to submit twice in a row as it's stated, you have to let someone else try before you do again.

I don't understand what you mean by ten open slots a day for this. It's a first in, first serve event and having ten slots will defeat the purpose of that.

 

['Kurapika]

I don't understand what you mean by ten open slots a day for this. It's a first in, first serve event and having ten slots will defeat the purpose of that.

thanks for clarifying the first part
about the second part
i don't think the first in first served is a good idea at all because

1 it makes it difficult to get your sig in , considering that you have one small chance to get it in

2 it gives for the king to ask someone to quickly submit low quality sig , to keep him as a king

i don't see why there shouldn't be multiple people trying to climb at the same time , you can leave three days for voting and one day for submitting and maybe ten could be picked or use the first ten submissions
as long it leaves a better chance to try and climb

 

[Alternative]

The king in this event wouldn't be asking for someone to make a low quality signature. I don't know about you but a lot of people would be much higher than to ask someone to make a low quality signature to compete against theirs.

I'm thinking though, that the decision of a king should be on a first in, first serve basis to start the competition, then everyone can submit something for that person in one day, and have voting periods for everyone. So say the lineup for going against the king is Banana, Nami and Zazzles for example, the king has their signature and if Banana loses against it, then Nami's signature will go up against it. Then if that one loses it's Zazzles' turn and so on until we reach a new king, and everyone decides. That way people don't miss out and it's still on a first in, first serve basis, which is what it's meant to be about.

 

['Kurapika]

The king in this event wouldn't be asking for someone to make a low quality signature. I don't know about you but a lot of people would be much higher than to ask someone to make a low quality signature to compete against theirs.

I'm thinking though, that the decision of a king should be on a first in, first serve basis to start the competition, then everyone can submit something for that person in one day, and have voting periods for everyone. So say the lineup for going against the king is Banana, Nami and Zazzles for example, the king has their signature and if Banana loses against it, then Nami's signature will go up against it. Then if that one loses it's Zazzles' turn and so on until we reach a new king, and everyone decides. That way people don't miss out and it's still on a first in, first serve basis, which is what it's meant to be about.

but instead of making them go against the king one by one , which might take ages if five sigs are submitted everyday , why not just make them go against him at the same time
it will still be first in first serve , but with a bigger number of people
and the king won't even need to do so