Why isn't Kakashi S-class ninja?

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

Oh how this guy is a idiot...SAYS
Then....

Naruto defeated Pain, yet you insist that Pain is stronger. Before you make stupid arguments, look at your own claims. Just because Gaara defeated him doesn't mean he is stronger.

 

[Majora]

Calm down..

 

[Blaze Release]

Haha I really don't insult people unless they insult me or attack my opinions like they are superior to me lol. However, I will admit that sometimes I am in a confrontational mood.

Kakuzu might simply because of his specific skillset. Make it just Darui and Neji vs. Kakuzu, I take Team 1. I agree Kisame would win. Deidara could possibly. I don't think Konan could.

True, C4 could dispatch them. But do you really want to declare someone Kage level for only one technique? And like above, Neji and Darui would kill Deidara with ease I think.

This is true, I agree Kisame is on a low end Kage's level.

Agreed. But only because his skillset. Again Darui and Neji could dispatch all Akatsuki except Sasori, Itachi, Nagato, Tobi and possibly Kisame. At least, that is my opinion

Kakuzu vs darui and neji could go either way, especially if they dont have any info on him at all. Infact i feel kakuzu can edge it.

Deidora due to his techniques can beat ninja's stronger than him. Example being jiraiya. Jiraiya is obviously the stronger of the two but i cannot see him escaping c4. Infact he wouldnt even know what happened. He doenst have any special eye techniques.

Also at the bold part highlighted. Minato got the title of hokage after what he achieved during the war and this was due to his one technique; ftg

 

[lanakau888]

The Nanobombs would eventually either go off or float away, as oxygen constantly moves. So he would just stay inside his Sand until they float away. Deidara can't do anything in the area he explodes C4 until they go away as well. Also,one technique wouldn't be enough to defeat any Kage. They are too skilled. If you honestly think any of the Kage would be one hit killed, you underrate Kage.

Darui and Neji could destroy all of Akatsuki except for Sasori, Itachi, Nagato and Tobi. Possibly Kisame. In the same token, Darui and Neji could not defeat any current Kage or former Kage.

Chibaku tensei will defeat any kage without mountain-busting firepower or space/time.

Kage's who would fall under this category: Oonoki, A, Tsunade, Gaara, Mei, First hokage, Third hokage, Third raikage, Trollkage, muu, basically everyone except minato or nin-daime.

 

[Owarij]

The Nanobombs would eventually either go off or float away, as oxygen constantly moves. So he would just stay inside his Sand until they float away. Deidara can't do anything in the area he explodes C4 until they go away as well. Also,one technique wouldn't be enough to defeat any Kage. They are too skilled. If you honestly think any of the Kage would be one hit killed, you underrate Kage.

Darui and Neji could destroy all of Akatsuki except for Sasori, Itachi, Nagato and Tobi. Possibly Kisame. In the same token, Darui and Neji could not defeat any current Kage or former Kage.

xD , He would stay inside his sand till they float away? yea because he would know there are invisible nano bombs there right? -_- .......

one technique wouldn't be enough to defeat any Kage. They are too skilled

If you honestly think any of the Kage would be one hit killed, you underrate Kage.

You are idiotic.....There are many jutsu's that can 1 hitkages....Deidara's c4, Kotoamatsuki,chibaku tensei...Getting hit by sasori's poison... Rasenshruiken.... Tbb......etc .....how dumb do you get?

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

No he is shown to be stronger than his dad, and his feats are above tsunade and mei.


nope same circumstances, it is always wartime when on a mission. Give me one piece of manga evidence that shows hiruzen, minato, tsunade, shodai, or nindai sparing anyone in a battle.


All the third raikage's attacks are based on his chakra cloak. We've seen that kisame easily strips off Bee's cloak, a cloak which is far more potent than the thirds. Kisame will drain the third dry, he is perfect for handling chakra mosters/opponents who materialize their chakra around them AKA raikage/tailed beasts.

Either way, Sunagakure is the weakest Ninja village by far. The fourth and fifth Kazekage are both weak either way. And both are stronger than Deidara.

Lol how often have we seen these characters? Not nearly enough. So failed point.

Good points, but I still take Lightning over Water any day.

 

[Better]

No because Gaara is the weakest Kage ever, and really isn't Kage himself left.

Minato kills guys in war time. Different circumstances.

Yes A is low end. And WHAT? Lol Kisame would get no where near killing the 3rd Raikage. Are you serious?

Gaara is the weakest kage ever?

he beat the 4th, he's done more then tsunade

lol the fact that you think A is a low end kage level... :flaw: smh

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

Lmao how hypocritical...I looked at exactly what deidara said, exactlyhow he said it....You went ahead saying he had some hidden meaning...You're the one who thinks he knows what kishi meant..when deidara clearly said , not killing him was harder than i thought...which means to deidara, killing him would not have been hard....Simple english, and you tell me i'm the one who thinks i know what kishi says?

No you didn't he said that. Yes but the context isn't stated. All he said was what he said. Not "It was harder not to kill him than I thought BECAUSE HE WAS WEAKER THAN I ANTICIPATED" Therefore we don't know the context. So don't assume thats what he meant. I speculated and admitted speculation. Something you never admit. Again, I admit I speculate, you present what you think as truth.

 

[Owarij]

Gaara is the weakest kage ever?

he beat the 4th, he's done more then tsunade

lol the fact that you think A is a low end kage level... :flaw: smh

Don't argue with nilloc...None of his arguments make sense....He contradicts his very own statements.......Thinks no kage can be killed by any 1 jutsu, Thinks no kage will get beat by kotoamatsuki , Thinks gaara will somehow magically know that c4 is in the air, and he'll stay in his nice sand ball till it floats away......He doesn't think at all , he calls deidara trash etc , but tell me how mei, gaara can beat his c4?? know what he'll say? kages won't die to it, they're too skilled

 

[lanakau888]

Either way, Sunagakure is the weakest Ninja village by far. The fourth and fifth Kazekage are both weak either way. And both are stronger than Deidara.

Lol how often have we seen these characters? Not nearly enough. So failed point.

Good points, but I still take Lightning over Water any day.

Its not a failed point since you are the one argueing that shodai let kakuzu live, which is out of character from the evidence manga has provided.

Okay....I like raiton more than suiton, but you know that this is not pokemon right? Water's weakness is earth in narutoverse, and kisame doesn't even have to use any water techs since he can just swing samehada whenever the third gets close, which he needs to since his only shown techniques are CQC.

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

Kakuzu vs darui and neji could go either way, especially if they dont have any info on him at all. Infact i feel kakuzu can edge it.

Deidora due to his techniques can beat ninja's stronger than him. Example being jiraiya. Jiraiya is obviously the stronger of the two but i cannot see him escaping c4. Infact he wouldnt even know what happened. He doenst have any special eye techniques.

Also at the bold part highlighted. Minato got the title of hokage after what he achieved during the war and this was due to his one technique; ftg

I give you that. But Neji is a genius, so I like their chances of figuring him out.

So do you agree he isn't Kage level, just has a powerful attack that could defeat someone who is?

Minato was also highly skilled with Fuinjutsu, had Rasengan, was a genius above all others, etc. FTG is just OP as hell. FTG was the main reason he was chosen as Hokage, but he still was very skilled without it.

 

[lanakau888]

Don't argue with nilloc...None of his arguments make sense....He contradicts his very own statements.......Thinks no kage can be killed by any 1 jutsu, Thinks no kage will get beat by kotoamatsuki , Thinks gaara will somehow magically know that c4 is in the air, and he'll stay in his nice sand ball till it floats away......He doesn't think at all , he calls deidara trash etc , but tell me how mei, gaara can beat his c4?? know what he'll say? kages won't die to it, they're too skilled

Also, if he stays in his sandball, and the sandball is tight enough for the bombs to not get in, then that means gaara is not getting any oxygen either and he suffocates while waiting out a technique that he shouldn't even know how it works, let alone exists.

And for the first time on NB, I think that I will have to make the choice to not argue with someone, not because of the arguments that they make, but by the logic that they base all of their arguments off of.

 

[Owarij]

Also, if he stays in his sandball, and the sandball is tight enough for the bombs to not get in, then that means gaara is not getting any oxygen either and he suffocates while waiting out a technique that he shouldn't even know how it works, let alone exists.

And for the first time on NB, I think that I will have to make the choice to not argue with someone, not because of the arguments that they make, but by the logic that they base all of their arguments off of.

EX fking actly How do you randomly decide to wait out something you don't see or exists? -_- , sigh some people's logic amazes me

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

Its not a failed point since you are the one argueing that shodai let kakuzu live, which is out of character from the evidence manga has provided.

Okay....I like raiton more than suiton, but you know that this is not pokemon right? Water's weakness is earth in narutoverse, and kisame doesn't even have to use any water techs since he can just swing samehada whenever the third gets close, which he needs to since his only shown techniques are CQC.

Where in the Manga does it state that he escaped? It said he survived, thats it. I admitted I was speculating. Regardless he still lost, so I am done arguing this point that "he is powerful for surviving." I guess Hinata is powerful for surviving against Pain lol Just kidding

Which wouldn't really effect him, it showed that he is basically impervious to physical damage. Also, even without lightning release armor, he survived a Wind Rasenshuriken without a scratch. I'm sorry but Kisame isn't on the 3rd Raikage's level. He is low end Kage level.

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

Don't argue with nilloc...None of his arguments make sense....He contradicts his very own statements.......Thinks no kage can be killed by any 1 jutsu, Thinks no kage will get beat by kotoamatsuki , Thinks gaara will somehow magically know that c4 is in the air, and he'll stay in his nice sand ball till it floats away......He doesn't think at all , he calls deidara trash etc , but tell me how mei, gaara can beat his c4?? know what he'll say? kages won't die to it, they're too skilled

And you are the retard who stated that it is easy to take out all Hokage.

Holy hell, stop. How will Deidara survive either of Mei's Kekkai Genkai? How will Deidara survive Gaara's sand tomb technique? How will he survive black lightning, wood release, rasengan. etc? If your only point is how will so and so survive C4, then you have NO argument at all. You are dismissed.

 

[Blaze Release]

I give you that. But Neji is a genius, so I like their chances of figuring him out.

So do you agree he isn't Kage level, just has a powerful attack that could defeat someone who is?

Minato was also highly skilled with Fuinjutsu, had Rasengan, was a genius above all others, etc. FTG is just OP as hell. FTG was the main reason he was chosen as Hokage, but he still was very skilled without it.

Ive already explained that my definition of kage level is someone who has the ability to beat a kage and diedora has done it already. Even now the only kage deidora might lose to is A, because his raition armour would automatically neutralise c4 and even that, he is a nintaijutsu specialist whilst deidora is a long range fighter, im not sure how he can get to him.

Anyway apart from A, other kage's cannot survive c4.

Also we dont know whether minato and kushina were together before he became hokage therefore we cannot say he was skilled in fuinjutsu because its kushina who taught him.

 

[Owarij]

And you are the retard who stated that it is easy to take out all Hokage.

Yea the thread was ... the entire akatsuki vs 5 hokages, why don't you put that in your sig?, they will wipe them out pretty easily..... considering they have rinnegan tobi + gedo mazo , Nagato , Itachi , Deidara( and the c4 bombs the can't see) Kisame , kakuzu etc etc......

 

[lanakau888]

Where in the Manga does it state that he escaped? It said he survived, thats it. I admitted I was speculating. Regardless he still lost, so I am done arguing this point that "he is powerful for surviving." I guess Hinata is powerful for surviving against Pain lol Just kidding

Which wouldn't really effect him, it showed that he is basically impervious to physical damage. Also, even without lightning release armor, he survived a Wind Rasenshuriken without a scratch. I'm sorry but Kisame isn't on the 3rd Raikage's level. He is low end Kage level.

It was shown that a basic wind net was able to slice the third raikage up when his raiton shield is not activated. Kisame has more than enough raw power in order to do more damage than a wind net using samehada.

The third only survived a rasenshuriken BECAUSE of his raiton armor. Without it he would have been either cut in half or turned into dust.

The raikage only has CQC techniques, and samehada has a longer reach and doesn't even have to touch a person in order to suck up their cloak. The third isn't going to hurt kisame without his raiton cloak.

 

[Uchicha Macho]

If sasuke is a S rank ninja then it mean he have the potiential to wipe out all the kages if he was alow and prepared to do it

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

Also, if he stays in his sandball, and the sandball is tight enough for the bombs to not get in, then that means gaara is not getting any oxygen either and he suffocates while waiting out a technique that he shouldn't even know how it works, let alone exists.

And for the first time on NB, I think that I will have to make the choice to not argue with someone, not because of the arguments that they make, but by the logic that they base all of their arguments off of.

There is oxygen stored inside closed objects. For example, when a coffin is buried underground, the person has up to 6 hours of oxygen supply inside.

What is your logic? That Deidara has one attack that can kill anyone. AS DOES ALMOST EVERY OTHER EFFING JOUNIN IN THE DAMN SERIES. God, you guys really are retarded. Give me one way Deidara wins other than C4? Don't worry, I'll wait...