Sannin Really Aren't Powerful

[Luther]

This thread is basically outling why the Sannin (Orochimaru, Jirayia, and Tsunade), aren't powerful like people think they are.

While are three are considered Kage level or S-Rank ninjas know feat gives them this title. All of them had been considered for Hokage before, however only because of limited ninja strength available. Kakashi was also elected for Hokage and he is no where near Kage level.

Orchimaru attacked the leaf village years after he left. During this time the
3rd Hokage got older and the 4th Hokage sacrificed his life during the Nine Tailed Fox attack. Even by summoning the 1st Hokage and 2nd Hokage and having the Sound Four blocking outsiders into the fight he barely could manage to come out with a win against an old 3rd Hokage who was nowhere near in his prime.

With that being said that was the only time in the manga showing any of the 3 Sannin winning a match. There name, Sannin, was given to them by Hanzo, who was considered one of the strongest ninjas at the time only in spot that they manage to hold their own and not die in 5 seconds to him like common enemies that approached Hanzo. They basically were pitied upon. The same ninja lost to Nagato who was only a few years trained with his Rinnegan.

This same Nagato created his 6 paths of pain and managed to kill Jirayia in SM. Jirayia was at his with end with arguably 3 of his weaker paths. Many people argue had Jirayia known Pains secret he would have won. This is far-fetched as he could only beat 3 Pains with genjutsu with the assistance of Ma and Pa and was his last resort at beating Pain. Same token had Pain even knew Jirayia could use genjustu 3 Pains would have been enough to take him out.

In the fight between the Sannins all the parties look pathetic against each other in probably one of the worst fights in the manga between 3 highly known characters. All 3 were handicapped for one reason or another due to their poor judgement or inability to sense. Orochimaru had no hands due to the fact of his battle with the 3rd Hokage. Jirayia let Tsunade poison him with some drug. And the fact that he said he was at 30% is laughable. 30% is pretty high considering he was getting his ass handed to him by a No Sign Weilding Orochimaru. Tsunade was recovering from her trauma but her so called strength run out temporarily and didn't have enough of it to kill a weak Orochimaru.

Orochimaru ended up losing to Itachi and Sasuke. Most people argue he was weak against Sasuke lying in bed. However knowing that his body is getting weak why would he think it would be easy to take over Sasuke? Also if Sasuke overspammed MS and started losing vision who's fault is it that he's weak because of it? Orochimaru was ill because his body-transferring technique only allows him to have certain bodies for a certain period of time before it rejects him. His illness is cause by himself in other to stay immortal. This has yet to be seen in Kabuto as well.

Jirayia fails to master justus before Naruto does. Naruto learned Rasegan and a completed SM way before Jirayia even mastered them. Jirayia even considers himself a failure

There's no denying that they are strong. However, they aren't as powerful as their names give them. They were good in Part 1 because not enough characters were introduced. When you see the whole picture they aren't too powerful and most ninjas can stand their ground with them even if they lose

dont be a noob all i saw int this state ment is that you troll

 

[Alkaiser]

Minato was chosen by the Hokage to be next. As was the 3rd. Tsunade and Kakashi were elected because there was no present Hokage. Otherwise it would have been done long before. They aren't Kage level. Jirayia never invented Rasegan or SM. So IDK what you are talking about. And Naruto gets the majority of his chakra from the fox. the fox was hurtful in both cases when trying to master those techniques. So Naruto was just better at it

if you believe the anime( I'm pretty sure danzo's back story wasn't in the manga) it shows that the 2nd chose the 3rd to be the next hokage right b4 the second went off to die, it wasn't chosen b4 hand, it's not like it was preordained that the 3rd would become the 3rd no the title of hokage has always gone to the ninja most suited to the job. Never did i say he invented Rasengan or SM, but he did invent many of his justu. And no if you had read the manga at all it says on many occasions that naruto has a lot of base chakra to begin with such as when he first begins training for sage chakra. 2nd the fox has only recently started to willingly lend him chakra and even if it did impede him from mastering the rasenshuriken, you still have to remember. Jiriya went and trained in his down time between missions. I believe there were 5 naruto's while he was training for the basic oil techinque. if that took 3 days(can't be sure) that would have taken 15 days of jirya training. Of course the main character is going to learn things quicker No one wants to sit and watch naruto train for a few years to master a justu people would get bored of it, so they put in things that let the main characters cheat like narutos chakra pool, or ichigo's dads time space technique, or dbz's hyperbolic time chamber, it's an excuse for the main characters to progress quickly the story doesn't lose flavor.

 

[Chaotic Blades]

No, your view is clearly stupid and 99% of the people have disagreed with you and i have viewed some posts where people have proved you wrong yet you are a stubborn motherfuc*ker and can´t accept you are wrong. And yes you are a troll, a good one.

Actually ive got alot of +rep and private messages saying that I made excellent. ive also received negative. the only troll is you because if someone has made a good fact in argument to my statement ive told them that and rep them. go back and look ***. and clearly your a troll. who stays on a thread they think its stupid? spells troll like your avatar. just stfu

The maker of this thread was being pathetic sanins are very strong he probably saw my jiraiya can do better than minato during tobi fight u are a failure

o boy another guy who has all the correct answers has joined the party

 

[Chaotic Blades]

dont be a noob all i saw int this state ment is that you troll

most people who call others trolls are trolls themselves. again i put that they are strong. what troll does that? and how bout you make a case that im wrong and stop being a lil bitch and crying troll like your 3

if you believe the anime( I'm pretty sure danzo's back story wasn't in the manga) it shows that the 2nd chose the 3rd to be the next hokage right b4 the second went off to die, it wasn't chosen b4 hand, it's not like it was preordained that the 3rd would become the 3rd no the title of hokage has always gone to the ninja most suited to the job. Never did i say he invented Rasengan or SM, but he did invent many of his justu. And no if you had read the manga at all it says on many occasions that naruto has a lot of base chakra to begin with such as when he first begins training for sage chakra. 2nd the fox has only recently started to willingly lend him chakra and even if it did impede him from mastering the rasenshuriken, you still have to remember. Jiriya went and trained in his down time between missions. I believe there were 5 naruto's while he was training for the basic oil techinque. if that took 3 days(can't be sure) that would have taken 15 days of jirya training. Of course the main character is going to learn things quicker No one wants to sit and watch naruto train for a few years to master a justu people would get bored of it, so they put in things that let the main characters cheat like narutos chakra pool, or ichigo's dads time space technique, or dbz's hyperbolic time chamber, it's an excuse for the main characters to progress quickly the story doesn't lose flavor.

agreed.

 

[Lt Fresh]

I agree, Oro and Tsuande arent all the great, But my man JIRAIYA is all powerful, he can go toe to toe with anyone

 

[YellowFlashSage]

What has he done that's legendary? ive always wondered myself. maybe his perv books. idk. and ive stated numerous times about Itachi being a spy and not wanting to fight anyone of the Leaf.



People come close to making good posts until they so badly wanna make the other person fail. I'm not repeating about the Itach. He took out 3 pains that aren't even the strongest. And thats his dumbass not thinking he would go into a fight. Being a teacher of someone who was claimed a genious doesnt make you POWERFUL. hinata has great chakra control...your point? i never said he wasn't strong for the last time. he is an above average ninja. if he can take out most ninjas the manga should have atleast shown that



I honestly still do not get you. The 3 weakest peins are the ones he beat? You do understand that those 3 were probably still stronger then most shonobi in the manga. As for being the 4th hokages teacher, well pretty much every strong student had a very strong teacher, from the 1st and 2nd being the 3rds teacher, and then the 3rd being j-mans. It is the way the manga goes, and also the way they pick kages linage and teachers. Oh and the only reason that Itachi and Kisame escaped was because of Itachi, if it would have just been Kisame, who is considered strong, he wouldn't have stood a chance.

Now as far as chakra control goes, Hinata can control the chakra inside her body, and she is very good at it. But to be a sage, you have to take in chakra from nature, hence the reason almost no one, including the 4th as we know, could do it. Being a sage puts you on a whole new level, as says shikamarus dad when he figured out Naruto was one. But i guess he is pretty stupid, being advisor to the JSA.

If you are going to argue points of them being weak, please give valid and reasonable points. Not just your opinion because you skimmed through the anime and think you know it all. Kishi wouldn't just write in his manga and have people say J-man was strong and not mean it. Other wise you can take that as the 1st hokage wasn't strong, and we all know that is defiently not true. As I said before, most post like these, not all but most, are people not reading and understanding the story behind it, and assuming that their derived opinion is more realistic then what kishi actually wrote.

 

[Chaotic Blades]

this thread shows that there are Jirayia fanboys. we dont hear about them because there are too many other fanboys(Sasuke, Itachi, Minato, etc) that outshine overthem. I say the Sannin are strong but not powerful and ya'll go on a rampage. even saying that they are 4 out of 5. if Pain hadn't beat Jirayia and Itachi not beat Orochimaru none of ya'll would have accepted the fact that they would lose to anyone. im not taking away how great they are, especially considering I have went out of my way to defend Tsunade when most people say she is worthless as Hokage, Jirayia has always been in my top 3, and Orochimaru is just bad ass. at the same token my purpose was to show originally Orochimaru was the main villian way back when and Jirayia being held as his equal. With the other villages being introduced and the power of the dead Kages, along with the raise of young ninjas, as well as the Akatasuki being shown I've come to realize they are above average ninjas that can fight with the best of anyone. But those days of been considered one of the top 10-15 are long gone. Other ninjas have been introduced and shown to be more powerful than them. nowhere does this state they are weak just that there are stronger ninjas.

 

[Tdogg]

All ninja have strengths and weaknesses. If you choose to focus only on their weak points, they will look pathetic of course. Orochimaru, Tsunade, and Jiraiya were all super strong shinobi. They weren't/aren't quite like naruto, sasuke, tobi, etc with world shattering abilities but compared to the average ninja they clearly are quite powerful.

 

[Chaotic Blades]

I honestly still do not get you. The 3 weakest peins are the ones he beat? You do understand that those 3 were probably still stronger then most shonobi in the manga. (Kiba and his mom had one on the run in the village. Konahamaru defeated one. not saying he is weak but the point is he didnt find it too difficult a task.) As for being the 4th hokages teacher, well pretty much every strong student had a very strong teacher, from the 1st and 2nd being the 3rds teacher, and then the 3rd being j-mans. It is the way the manga goes, and also the way they pick kages linage and teachers. Oh and the only reason that Itachi and Kisame escaped was because of Itachi, if it would have just been Kisame, who is considered strong, he wouldn't have stood a chance.

Now as far as chakra control goes, Hinata can control the chakra inside her body, and she is very good at it. But to be a sage, you have to take in chakra from nature, hence the reason almost no one, including the 4th as we know, could do it. Being a sage puts you on a whole new level, as says shikamarus dad when he figured out Naruto was one. But i guess he is pretty stupid, being advisor to the JSA.

If you are going to argue points of them being weak, please give valid and reasonable points. Not just your opinion because you skimmed through the anime and think you know it all. Kishi wouldn't just write in his manga and have people say J-man was strong and not mean it. Other wise you can take that as the 1st hokage wasn't strong, and we all know that is defiently not true. As I said before, most post like these, not all but most, are people not reading and understanding the story behind it, and assuming that their derived opinion is more realistic then what kishi actually wrote.

I never said he was weak. where are you getting that from? and im only looking at battle strength. you make a nice point about the teacher-student thing but my thread is about being a good teacher or shinobi. i was just talking about battle strength. and the leaf village exclaimed Jirayia was strong most of the time. it was hardly expressed by any outsiders. but again he's strong. i just dont consider him powerful

 

[zombiejesus]

you have to admit you knew people would be butt hurt about you asying something bad about jaman lol and probably oro too and the only person i can think of that cares about stunade is rubber guy lol

 

[Thatoneguy]

they are not powerful but they are the best team combination together they can beat anyone

orochimaru: one of the best long range/mid shinobi in naruto verse
jiraiya: one of the best mid/close fighter in naruto verse
tsunade:the best healer in naruto verse A.K.A super fast healing and one of the best close range fighter in naruto verse

Completely agree! Together is where the strength lies on this one. And who ever is saying they arent Kage level is dumb. Yea, they are no where near the strongest, but they are still in atleast the top 30. Also, Kakashi is an animal. to have mastered his sharingan (spelling?To lazy to look it up lol) to the level where he could have a MS? **** the haters

 

[spicolisis117]

comon guys sanins.. really. Becos hanzo fought them when they were still amateurs..do u really think he can face off wit any of them when they grew up? Orochimaru wud skin him alive!

 

[spicolisis117]

Comon guys sanins.. really. Becos hanzo fought them when they were still amateurs..do u really think he can face off wit any of them when they grew up? Orochimaru wud skin him alive!

 

[Jo VaY oH]

Really age hardly means shit in this manga example Granny Chiyo fights Sasori and Sasori was able to beat the 3rd kazekage and she is way older then all the sannin considering there age they should still be near there prime when u look at the 3rd hokage hes still strong but not as strong as he was but hes 20 years older then the sannins

 

[Rockspeed23]

The OP thread is far more fail then Jiriaya ever was.

 

[nicekabuto]

it's not like ur point is totally crazy. but why all of this "if x had known y then z would have happened" rubbish? there are no ifs there are no maybes. what happens happens. that and quotation of the anime are my two biggest thread beefs on narutobase.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Kakashi IS Kage level. Just because he low chakra reserves is a bullshit reason to say that. He was said by Tsunade and Jiraiya BOTH to be Kage material, being a "given".

If he WAS a Kage, he'd probably be more efficient than Gaara, Mei, and Tsunade.

Anyway, I do agree that the Sannin have had their time. Others are definitely surpassing them.

 

[OWanime]

yeah they aren't as strong as the other s-class ninja like Hanzo, Itachi(maybe), Naruto, tobi and minato (since his generation's succeeds jiraiya and tsunade's) but they still are one of the strongest teams
:shrug: so yeah

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Comon guys sanins.. really. Becos hanzo fought them when they were still amateurs..do u really think he can face off wit any of them when they grew up? Orochimaru wud skin him alive!

Well, it was hinted at that Hanzo could have even defeated the Six Paths of Pain had he kept up with his training...

 

[shadedwonder]

Seriously?

How many times have I read a forum post and known someone was horribly inaccurate?

Don't take the bait. You don't need to get into a war of opinions with him over his viewpoint of the Sannin.

This is one of those situations where you read it, just kinda shake your head, and find another post because ya know better. Nobody is going to persuade this guy to change his mind