Sannin Really Aren't Powerful

[Chaotic Blades]

The Sannin are very powerful not necessarily the most powerful, but they are stronger than 90% of the characters seen in Naruto.

90% is saying they are top 10

There is no fuc*king need to disprove your stupid point. I will be as stupid as you if i answer it. It`s like common sense idiot. Sannins are more powerfull than what you think. Its pointless arguing that dumbfuc*k.

ok well thx for making me right. you have no argument there for you must troll

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[KillerPenguin]

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read to page 5 and stfu

Keep reading and you'll see that he makes up for all this in the way that he dies.. so his fails = win.

:flaw:

 

[PyroX25]

How stupid are you the three sannin are very powerful shinobi even the akatsuki didn't want to deal with them if they could aviod it.

 

[Chaotic Blades]

Keep reading and you'll see that he makes up for all this in the way that he dies.. so his fails = win.

:flaw:

How so? He only kept going cause his student, Naruto would never quit so he felt like he shouldn't quit as well. This doesn't erase everything he said or make up for it. He can't bring back Orochimaru to the Leaf, or save his master or student or win Tsunade's love or be the one to stop Pain. He just did what he could do for that period of time. he didn't make up for anything

 

[Chaotic Blades]

How stupid are you the three sannin are very powerful shinobi even the akatsuki didn't want to deal with them if they could aviod it.

um they wanted to kill Orochimaru. and the fact is they don't go looking for Tsunade or Jirayia since they aren't their targets. the Jin's are.

 

[blazekev90]

um they wanted to kill Orochimaru. and the fact is they don't go looking for Tsunade or Jirayia since they aren't their targets. the Jin's are.

many ppl wanted to kill Oro, but how many would have been able to actually??? The only members who could defeat him were Nagato and Itachi, the others i doubt!

 

[Lostdreams]

If Jirayia is a failure so is itatchi and minato.

Honestly you are the type of person who takes things completely out of context. Jirayai was being hard on himself when he said that not in literal fction.

ITS CALLED CONTEXT CLUE.

Another thing is how do you fail when the only person youve been shown losing to was the person who destroyed a whole village. While he knows alot about you and you have no idea what you are fighting.

 

[Lord Snow]

the sanins are powerful, all can be kages and cause a disrupt in any of the bad guys plans

 

[KillerPenguin]

How so? He only kept going cause his student, Naruto would never quit so he felt like he shouldn't quit as well. This doesn't erase everything he said or make up for it. He can't bring back Orochimaru to the Leaf, or save his master or student or win Tsunade's love or be the one to stop Pain. He just did what he could do for that period of time. he didn't make up for anything

Actually, if you read on to page 8 of the manga then you will find that what Minato says implies that Jiraiya is as gutsy as the character in his book, (therefore the gutsy ninja way is his also.) Hence, he didn't keep going because of his student, he merely tapped into his own inner soul.

Its a matter of opinion, and obviously your the kind of person that doesn't believe in redemption and that people cannot change their ways through better deeds.
In my books I think he did make up for his faults, he redeemed himself, and didn't die a failure. If it wasn't for him where would Naruto be now? Dead, by the hands of Pain, and the whole village, plus the ninja world would be erased.

If Jiraiya had not sacrificed himself for that information then Pain would have been practically immortal. (So in this sense he did stop Pain).

either way this isn't really related to the main topic of the thread, so I have had my say.

 

[aashish1996]

Why do people always compare people to prove who is stronger? It never made any sense to me. It doesn't matter if someone is powerful or not....... that's not what kishi is trying to prove or show.

 

[Chaotic Blades]

many ppl wanted to kill Oro, but how many would have been able to actually??? The only members who could defeat him were Nagato and Itachi, the others i doubt!

c4 or c0 could kill Oro. If Oro doesn't know about Hidan's ability he is dead. Tobi would easily beat Oro. kazuka could stand his ground against Oro at best. Kisame could absorb Oro's chakra where he couldn't do much of anything and Oro can't breathe in a dome water. they have their chances

If Jirayia is a failure so is itatchi and minato.(He isn't on their level so how so?)
Honestly you are the type of person who takes things completely out of context. Jirayai was being hard on himself when he said that not in literal fction.

ITS CALLED CONTEXT CLUE.

Another thing is how do you fail when the only person youve been shown losing to was the person who destroyed a whole village. While he knows alot about you and you have no idea what you are fighting.

Context clues are hints that an author gives to help define a difficult or unusual word. The clue may appear within the same sentence as the word to which it refers, or it may follow in a preceding sentence. go back to school plz. and it seemed like he was being fairly real. even before he left to the rain he said he was gonna die and said the same things to Tsunade. so you are wrong. and o well that's the life of a ninja. Jirayia also lost to Hanzo and Orochimaru(multiple times said through the series), failed to even beat Oro who had no arms

 

[xxSAGExx]

This thread is basically outling why the Sannin (Orochimaru, Jirayia, and Tsunade), aren't powerful like people think they are.

While are three are considered Kage level or S-Rank ninjas know feat gives them this title. All of them had been considered for Hokage before, however only because of limited ninja strength available. Kakashi was also elected for Hokage and he is no where near Kage level.

Orchimaru attacked the leaf village years after he left. During this time the
3rd Hokage got older and the 4th Hokage sacrificed his life during the Nine Tailed Fox attack. Even by summoning the 1st Hokage and 2nd Hokage and having the Sound Four blocking outsiders into the fight he barely could manage to come out with a win against an old 3rd Hokage who was nowhere near in his prime.

With that being said that was the only time in the manga showing any of the 3 Sannin winning a match. There name, Sannin, was given to them by Hanzo, who was considered one of the strongest ninjas at the time only in spot that they manage to hold their own and not die in 5 seconds to him like common enemies that approached Hanzo. They basically were pitied upon. The same ninja lost to Nagato who was only a few years trained with his Rinnegan.

This same Nagato created his 6 paths of pain and managed to kill Jirayia in SM. Jirayia was at his with end with arguably 3 of his weaker paths. Many people argue had Jirayia known Pains secret he would have won. This is far-fetched as he could only beat 3 Pains with genjutsu with the assistance of Ma and Pa and was his last resort at beating Pain. Same token had Pain even knew Jirayia could use genjustu 3 Pains would have been enough to take him out.

In the fight between the Sannins all the parties look pathetic against each other in probably one of the worst fights in the manga between 3 highly known characters. All 3 were handicapped for one reason or another due to their poor judgement or inability to sense. Orochimaru had no hands due to the fact of his battle with the 3rd Hokage. Jirayia let Tsunade poison him with some drug. And the fact that he said he was at 30% is laughable. 30% is pretty high considering he was getting his ass handed to him by a No Sign Weilding Orochimaru. Tsunade was recovering from her trauma but her so called strength run out temporarily and didn't have enough of it to kill a weak Orochimaru.

Orochimaru ended up losing to Itachi and Sasuke. Most people argue he was weak against Sasuke lying in bed. However knowing that his body is getting weak why would he think it would be easy to take over Sasuke? Also if Sasuke overspammed MS and started losing vision who's fault is it that he's weak because of it? Orochimaru was ill because his body-transferring technique only allows him to have certain bodies for a certain period of time before it rejects him. His illness is cause by himself in other to stay immortal. This has yet to be seen in Kabuto as well.

Jirayia fails to master justus before Naruto does. Naruto learned Rasegan and a completed SM way before Jirayia even mastered them. Jirayia even considers himself a failure

There's no denying that they are strong. However, they aren't as powerful as their names give them. They were good in Part 1 because not enough characters were introduced. When you see the whole picture they aren't too powerful and most ninjas can stand their ground with them even if they lose

Jiraiya was strong enought to make both Itachi and Kisame flee. Pain said Jiraiya would have won if he knew his secret. Sage mode Jiraiya would have took a black rod from one of the pains he killed to sense where Nagato is and kill him. Akatsuki didn't attack Naruto for the 2 1/2 year time skip because he was with Jiraiya (stated already). The 3rd used the strongest sealing jutsu in Naruto against Orochimaru because he was going to die. Kakashi is a strong jounin and was choose not only because of his power but because he has the quality of a Kage, something many don't show.

 

[PyroX25]

um they wanted to kill Orochimaru. and the fact is they don't go looking for Tsunade or Jirayia since they aren't their targets. the Jin's are.

True there wanted to kill Orochimaru but never even tried and during the series they said that akatsuki never went after Naruto was because of Jiraiya being at his side.

 

[Chaotic Blades]

the sanins are powerful, all can be kages and cause a disrupt in any of the bad guys plans

All could be in the Kage position, not Kage level. And most characters can find a way to disrupt a bad guys plans. Thats why Pain tried to kill Kakashi. But Kakashi isn't Kage level. He is just an above average ninja

Actually, if you read on to page 8 of the manga then you will find that what Minato says implies that Jiraiya is as gutsy as the character in his book, (therefore the gutsy ninja way is his also.) Hence, he didn't keep going because of his student, he merely tapped into his own inner soul.

Its a matter of opinion, and obviously your the kind of person that doesn't believe in redemption and that people cannot change their ways through better deeds.
In my books I think he did make up for his faults, he redeemed himself, and didn't die a failure. If it wasn't for him where would Naruto be now? Dead, by the hands of Pain, and the whole village, plus the ninja world would be erased.

If Jiraiya had not sacrificed himself for that information then Pain would have been practically immortal. (So in this sense he did stop Pain).

either way this isn't really related to the main topic of the thread, so I have had my say.

that was very well said. +rep

 

[Chaotic Blades]

Jiraiya was strong enought to make both Itachi and Kisame flee. Pain said Jiraiya would have won if he knew his secret. Sage mode Jiraiya would have took a black rod from one of the pains he killed to sense where Nagato is and kill him. Akatsuki didn't attack Naruto for the 2 1/2 year time skip because he was with Jiraiya (stated already). The 3rd used the strongest sealing jutsu in Naruto against Orochimaru because he was going to die. Kakashi is a strong jounin and was choose not only because of his power but because he has the quality of a Kage, something many don't show.

Itachi was a good guy. two good guys dont have no reason to fight. and create a scenario that Jirayia would have beat Pain had he knew his secret.

Bold-No. thats something Naruto did. don't give Jirayia credit for something he would not have done. because the fact is he was never thinking about that. honestly if he wanted to when he was in the frog and rasegan the pain and then got stabbed the pain died he could have tried to sense then before coming out of the water to see if his prediction was true. but he didn't think of that.

italics-read my other comment below to pyro

underlined-he was chosen because 1) Tsunade was in a coma and Danzo was dead. 2) his dad was the White Fang. 3)his reputation as the copy ninja. 4)his master was the student of Jirayia who was the student of the 3rd. power was never talked about in those meetings

True there wanted to kill Orochimaru but never even tried and during the series they said that akatsuki never went after Naruto was because of Jiraiya being at his side.

If i'm wrong about this then **** it im wrong. Cause im not 100% sure. But I thought it was stated Naruto's capture had to be last in order not to break the statue. Jirayia was just used as an excuse for Itachi not to attack the village or its people

 

[r24alel]

Yes they are but compared to some ninja they aren't but what can you expect nobody is the best ever except for SO6P but saying they are not strong is wrong cuz they are just maybe they aren't at Madara's level in that case yeah they suck

 

[Chaotic Blades]

Yes they are but compared to some ninja they aren't but what can you expect nobody is the best ever except for SO6P but saying they are not strong is wrong cuz they are just maybe they aren't at Madara's level in that case yeah they suck

I agree thats why I even said they are strong. they just arent as powerful as they seem. and unfortunately comparison is how you determine if a ninja is strong or weak otherwise you wouldn't know what to base your facts on. there are plenty of ninjas, dead or alive, that are stronger than them

 

[novacore]

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read to page 5 and stfu

HAHA on the same chapter you linked, minato says it himself HE HAS NEVER SEEN A FINER SHINOBI THAN JIRAIYA. man you failed. and i only read 3 pages of this.

 

[MinatoFLASH]

They are all Kage level ninja; Hell, two of them were even offered the job!

All 3 of them really. Orochimaru wud of got it if he wasn't a freak.

So Kakashi is Kage level?

Yea he is.

 

[JeremyPye47]

Never stated



someone who has never been shown to beat anyone...ya thats a fail. i dont have to take into context. popularity by other characters doesn't make you strong



the kyuubi didnt get tired and oro retreated. tsunade's healing doesnt make her powerful. hinata fought one on one with pain. your point?

LMFAO Really dude you are going there about Hinata "fighting" Pain.... That wasnt a fight she got owned. As far as Never stating J-man was respected... How Come whenever he is mentioned by others it is always "Legendary" sanin. Even Itachi didnt want to fight him before the time skip, when he tried to get Naruto.