EMS > Nagatos rinnegan ???? WTF

[Tosen]

if you think nine-tails and madara was something konoha in part 2 with kakashi and with just 100 jonin you are just clearly out of your mind dude. minato had to seal him and give his life up for the kyubi to be sealed inside naruto. and if u think ems madara plus kyubi vs nagato is nagato then you are way off and clearly underestimating the kyubi. and also 40 years pf exp is great but still his powers were no where near madara's lvl of rinnegan as shown by his meteor jutsu. ms is worse than rinnegan but madara with kyubi as a summon would likely win. And no nagato is not better than madara with the rinnegan it is clearly shown in the manga he is superior with the rinnegan from the abilities he has shown us and even kabuto calls him the trump card. nagato does probably just does not have the natural body for it, he gets extremely skinny and gedo mazo hurts him whereas it does not for tobi also suggesting he is also better with it being he has uchiha dna.

I said Nagato > EMS Madara when he was alive and not edo or rinnegan

Madara with kyuubi could destroy the current konoha but he couldn't destroy the one from Hashiramas time bec of wood release tamed kyuubi. Nagato would destroy that konoha bec he is stronger then Hashirama IMO (I admit we only seen few things from him) but styles makes fight and Nagato would absorb the wood tech with preta path. Nagato alone can destroy konoha while EMS madara has to rely on the powers of kyuubi.

And the reason why nagato was skinny was bec he chose a tech which absorb the souls of others has a result he had to give up his body energy. Has you can see from the vid he was fine before those black spikes entered his body. And what you said about him not having his natural body for the rinnegan is laughable bec the original rinnegan user (SO6P) had a strong body like Nagato. If anything the Uchiha don't have the right body for the rinnegan. I mean can you imagine an uchiha without senju cells if they got inserted with those black rods that Nagato did, they would die bec they don't have enough stamina.



and just you know it takes real skill with the gedo Mazo to summon it while your in another country and using a dead puppet (Deva path) while using a hologram tech to project the image of every Akatsuki member in all parts of the world into one point.
Nagato showing his mastery of the rinnegan and Gedo mazo mastered skills (40 + years at work)

 

[aradmehr]

he did master it pretty well.

 

[KillerPenguin]

Rinnegan is definitely better than EMS, as proven by the fact that apparently EMS can evolve into the Rinnegan. For those of you who try to say that doesn't mean Rinnegan is better the definition of evolve is: Develop gradually, esp. from a simple to a more complex form. Proof right there.

I definitely agree with you that the Rinnegan is better than EMS.

However as for your definition of evolution, sometimes things don't have to become better, evolution is the adaptation to the surrounding environment over time. (e.g. Nagato and offspring swim in water for a million years - they develop fins and gills, useful in the invasion of Konoha?)

Just sayin' xD

 

[KillerPenguin]

EMS is nothing but a power up and the Sharingan doesn't loose its light. Rinnegan is way stronger and yes Nagato's Rinnegan was better than Madara. It doesn't make sense to believe that someone who just started using the Rinnegan is better than someone who used it for many years. People keep saying, well Madara got his rinnegan because his eyes developed to it and were not given to him. Regardless, how did Madara know the jutsus that came with the Rinnegan?

My guess is from the tablet

 

[KillerPenguin]

Regardless, how did Madara know the jutsus that came with the Rinnegan?

My guess is from the tablet

 

[wootan]

FIRST OF tobi is not uchiha and it does not say in manga that he is, right now we dont know wat kishi will make of him.
some of u might be aware that gedo mezo needs to be powered after summoning, in his young days nagato used his own body to power it and hence his body wilted, right now tobi is powering gedo statue using the captured tailed beasts, which is nagato jutsu anyway, even his paths are powered usin tailed beasts thats y u dont see any chakra rods.
frankly the edo madara hasn't used any unique or better jutsu with rinnegan than nagato and so nothin warrants the assertion that he is better than nagato at it. madara even killed himself with meteor. nagato had even captured 9 tails in giant moon after using load chakra on konoha,
nagato could control anyone near him thats how powerful his chakra was.
correct me if am wrong uchiha have the eyes and not the body so nagato body i suppose is best suited for those eyes, kakashi is neither uchiha related nor senju so cant handle eyes or phsical body requirement.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

rinnegan>EMS its just that simple

 

[MangaKage]

EMS is nothing but a power up and the Sharingan doesn't loose its light. Rinnegan is way stronger and yes Nagato's Rinnegan was better than Madara. It doesn't make sense to believe that someone who just started using the Rinnegan is better than someone who used it for many years. People keep saying, well Madara got his rinnegan because his eyes developed to it and were not given to him. Regardless, how did Madara know the jutsus that came with the Rinnegan?

Do you remember a thing called the stone tablet of the Uchiha? because that probs answers you question.

 

[jarut0]

tobi has the rinnegan and sharingan WTF

6 paths of the 6 jinchuurikis

 

[naruto1246]

the rinnegan and EMS are just tools with different abilities

rinnegan= weapon of mass destruction

EMS= weapon used for assassination

regardless of this they both have strengths and weaknesses neither is better than the other.

so this whole rinnegan is stronger/weaker than the EMS is stupid

 

[Hei]

rinnengan is the last stage of sharingan so of course rinnengan > EMS

 

[ninjastormgenaration33]

-_- then sage mode will kill the rinnegan + kyuubi mode..

Exactly

 

[laxus]

the rinnegan is stronger than the sharigan.THe rinnegan master's all 6 basic chakra elements which the sharingan is limited to what ever the user elements are.The rinnegan manipulates gravity,machinary,takes souls/info,heals/revives,absorbs ninjutsu, and can summon powerful animal summons so the sharigan pales in compaison to the rinnegan it's a joke to say that eye is better.
well certainly the ems couldn't save madara from the rasenshuriken and chose the better eye the rinnegan.Nagato rinnegan far surpasses any sharigan.

 

[lanakau888]

Rinnegan madara > Nagato

Nagato >>>> EMS madara

 

[warlee]

This doesn't even need a thread.

 

[Venom925]

well if rinnegan was a step up for madara why would ems be considered better? or are we just talking about nagato's rinnegan

 

[ninja nik]

first of all a rinnegan is rinnegan so you can't say a lower quality eyes are better then a higher quality eyes. With that said nagtos rinnegan is getting underrated in this forum esp after chap 560 when they seen the meteor. Did you forget that nagato took on the strongest village and succeeded where ems madara has failed and tobi to. He destroyed konoha, fought a lot of ninja took on 3 boss frogs and both ma and pa, took on kyuubi, revived konoha, id doubt that madara ems can do that.

And i stand by the fact that nagato mastered the rinnegan very very very well.

totally agreed
ems is overrated
rinnegan>ems>ms>sharingan
this is the correct order i suppose

 

[Neezy]

almight push.. naruto in the 5tails state destroyed the almighty push..

 

[Neezy]

Yeah its only fitting

 

[Vroqrak]

Almighty push conquers all

agreed