[Spoilers] That Jutsu Finally revealed.

[mat2720]

It will be so sick when he learns is and I agree thats an epic picture they should put it in colour

they will probably have it as a colour version in next weeks scan, they seem to do that a lot atm with hardcore pages like that

 

[ReLax -]

I have to go with Dave Chappelle, speculation on Tsunade referring to 'him' as in Naruto.

I thought about it for a while, as far as we know those three guys who were Minato 'special' guards know the tech. only, but it requires all three of them to use it, so no one else can use it as of now except them. If she was speaking about either Tobi, Madara, or Kabuto and saving the tech. for them, i doubt the three are going to beat any of them with it.

In recent chapters Naruto speed has increased and people (Yamato, Raikage, and Tsunade) have already compared his speed with Minato. Once he has the Kyuubi obeying him, we don't know to what level his speed could get him and the FTG being a great tech. for him, its the least Minato could have left for Naruto, as we know FTG isn't mastered, so it will be eventually be.

2nd Hoakge created Edo, and Oro passed him, and now Kabuto has it mastered.

2nd Hokage also created FTG, the 4th passed him, and Naruto will Master it.

 

[MinatoIsBestHokage]

Has anyone noticed in the last panel of the manga that A appears to have BOTH of his hands???

Wow I can't believe that, A has both hands now? How didn't anyone notice that yet in this thread or in the other 500 threads labeled "A has both hands, since when?"

I have to go with Dave Chappelle, speculation on Tsunade referring to 'him' as in Naruto.

I thought about it for a while, as far as we know those three guys who were Minato 'special' guards know the tech. only, but it requires all three of them to use it, so no one else can use it as of now except them. If she was speaking about either Tobi, Madara, or Kabuto and saving the tech. for them, i doubt the three are going to beat any of them with it.

In recent chapters Naruto speed has increased and people (Yamato, Raikage, and Tsunade) have already compared his speed with Minato. Once he has the Kyuubi obeying him, we don't know to what level his speed could get him and the FTG being a great tech. for him, its the least Minato could have left for Naruto, as we know FTG isn't mastered, so it will be eventually be.

2nd Hoakge created Edo, and Oro passed him, and now Kabuto has it mastered.

2nd Hokage also created FTG, the 4th passed him, and Naruto will Master it.

Tobirama/2nd Hokage did not create FTG, Minato did. In fact the only thing they really have in common is that put your finger to the ground thing where they know how many enemies are around them and who they are (at least I think they could know who they were b/c Minato said it was most likely a shadow clone and if I remember correctly Tobirama said it was Master Bounty Hunters from the Hidden Cloud:

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[Baka Sennin]

tobirama created IWR as a way to prevent casualties on his side i suppose. given that he stopped developing the technique and labelled it a kinjutsu once he realised a sacrifice is needed, i think calling him evil is unwarranted. IWR is a brilliant tactic if used the way it was supposed to, and that's why tobirama developed it. the fact that he thought that the sacrifice was too big of a price to pay for something that can win wars singlehandedly shows he's a good guy imo.

 

[EternalMangekyouRinnegan]

tobirama created IWR as a way to prevent casualties on his side i suppose. given that he stopped developing the technique and labelled it a kinjutsu once he realised a sacrifice is needed, i think calling him evil is unwarranted. IWR is a brilliant tactic if used the way it was supposed to, and that's why tobirama developed it. the fact that he thought that the sacrifice was too big of a price to pay for something that can win wars singlehandedly shows he's a good guy imo.

You don't need to sacrifice your own people to use it,lol, instead just capture enemies. Kill one half of them and use the other half to ressurect the one's you just killed. It's the perfect war jutsu but I do agree that it is dishonoring. Like Madara said it's the complete atrocity against the circle of life and death.

 

[ImmaculateShadow]

Yeah Flying thunder god is the only technique fast enough to fight tobi with. Minato was the only one who we've seen lay a finger on Tobi.

I also predict Naruto learning to do this with shadow clones seeing as how that's how he learned everything else.

I didn't think FTG Jutsu was necessary for Naruto before this thread but now that I think about it in context of his up and coming fight with Tobi it just makes way to much sense.

Besides can you imagine FTG + KB?

... it would be like having 100 Nightcrawlers all coordinated with one another!

 

[Neloangelo13]

What you are doing is pretty much paraphrasing, and I am not saying your wrong but that seems too easy. I could say based on the quote that Kabuto will soon die and everyone he regenerated will come back for good but I don't think it easy that easy and also I don't think Tobirama created it as a last ditch effort because he labeled it a Kinjutsu not to be used by anyone. If what you said is correct that IWR was created to wipe out everything then what is the regeneration comment he says right after that? I think Tobirama created it, obviously knew something we didn't which that whole quote Madara said which is hinting to us and also Madara himself even saw it as a complete atrocity, so we can speculate that if even Madara saw it was an atrocity there must be some other secrets to it.

Yeah those are some great points Chapelle, I guess I didn't think to in-depth about it. I mean given Shikamaru would definitely fight someone if they tried to IWR Asuma but think about if Sakumo was IWR and Kakashi controlling him or something, which brings me to wonder why they didn't bring him back? Minato said he was considered even more powerful than the Sannin and I mean that is definitely saying something since one of them is a Hokage, Jirayai well we all love and know he was super powerful, and Orochimaru was great in many ways as well. Also you would think maybe the Tsuchikage and Iwagakure would use IWR since they used Akatsuki many times.

I respect your opinion and i would like to explain why i said this before. I posted the exact page that this was said for the reason that if i didnt then my opinion would have been turned down without evidence. Lets see then. This technique was created from the second Hokage. From this we learn "who" created it. This technique according to Madara was created in order to wipe out the map clean ( i assume he means because of the summoned people and their power ;feel free to add more thoughts of what this might mean ) along with the caster. That sounds as a suicidal technique hence the last measure that i said. So with what we have now we answered the "why". Now lets discuss about the reason why would someone use that. The second Hokage was the brother of the first who established the Hidden Villages inside the countries. I think he is a man who wouldnt abuse power and seeing the power of this technique as well as the "disrespect" against the dead people he labelled it as a forbidden.

Look at the post you quoted. You are contradicting yourself. You quote a post saying that by Him she is referring to madara. By agreeing with it you are saying that She's saving FTG for Madara.

Then in your actual post you said FTG was being saved for Tobi. If it was saved for him don't you think they would have used it on him by now? Think about it. They have sensors who would be able to find Tobi's location, and where he's headed to... So like you said if she was talking about Tobi it would be easy to find his location get to him and use the technique right?

I was telling you my opinion on why she is saving FTG for him, and by him I believe she is referring to Naruto.



Sigh... :| Yes I am...



Please please please, READ before you post. This has been posted in this thread 492490283920 times already.

Yes i quoted a post which said that the FTG was saved for Madara. Then i said that FTG was saved for Tobi. If u take those two then u make the conclusion a)that i contradict myself or b) Tobi=Madara.
At first i was supporting the theory that Tobi isnt Madara. I dont think he is Obito cause Obito was a kid who supported good things one of them being the teamwork. Izuna died in a battle ( we cant take this for granted though but its still the only info we got). I was thinking that he isnt even an Uchiha (explaining why he didnt advanced to Rinnegan and instead took Nagato's eyes). But with what Edo-Madara said about the infinite Tsukuyomi at the last chapter i am half way convinced that Tobi is Madara but with some weird explanation behind it. Also the reference "him" from Kabuto and Edo-Madara and now from Tsunade might be the same for the reason that since Kishi revealed the 6th coffin being Uchiha Madara and then chose to refer to him(Tobi) through Kabuto's words and Edo-Madara's as "Him" and also combining the info that we got from the fourth's fight with Tobi about the way he "defeated" him for the moment then i am convinced that Tsunade meant Tobi. The only part where i did wrong at my post is that i didnt explain that i believe that Tobi is Madara.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

I'm still going with Madara. I think he's literally a shell of his former self, a body without a soul, kind of a reverse edo tensei. I think in his battle against Hashirama he may have physically died and his soul crossed over, but somehow (maybe black zetsu) his body was able to survive. Tobi was angry when he found out Nagato used his ressurection technique on Konoha and claimed that it was supposed to be saved for him. I think this is because he wanted Nagato to bring back his soul. Its the same reason why he was cornered by Kabuto. Since Kabuto could summon "Madara" it meant he had control over his soul.

Throughout the series Itachi has been shown as an almost omnipotent figure who always knew the truth. So I don't think he was wrong in saying the man behind the mask was Madara Uchiha.

I kind of agree with this. Madara has Zetsu-like qualities that I cannot just ignore. Him being a being with real flesh (or ash) instead of Zetsu-like flesh in Edo form states to me that he didn't lose any arms.

Nothing is impossible in anime either. The fact that Madara came out of the casket mentioning Nagato, and the fact that Tobi stated that Nagato was supposed to use the Samsara resurrection technique for Tobi's reasons state that they are aware of each others existence, Madara even wondering if Tobi is doing things "according to plan".

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

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SINCE WHEN does Kabuto and Madara referring to Tobi as HIM equate to Tsunade referring to him as Tobi as well. That does not make sense. Correlation does not equal causation. Just because Madara and Kabuto say Him in reference to Tobi doesnt mean that Tsunade is referencing Tobi as well.
The manga even made it obvious she was referring to Naruto... You agreed with the person who said they are saving FTG for Madara. What would FTG do against an Edo Tensei? Warp him to another place on earth so he can destroy that with meteors as well??? Tsunade wouldn't save a technique for Madara.

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They are saving FTG obviously to use against Tobi but who is going to use it?!?!?! Not the 3 guards who are the only people who know how to use it now... It's obviously going to be Naruto.

I see we've been taking psychology :-D.

 

[Sasuke]

Wow 52 guests lol and Naruto isn't about to learn FTG he is gonna learn TBB.

 

[Inoko]

tsunae regenerated his arm, and they were minato's gaurds so they learned the jutsu.

as for no seals im stuck

 

[-The Agent-]

I respect your opinion and i would like to explain why i said this before. I posted the exact page that this was said for the reason that if i didnt then my opinion would have been turned down without evidence. Lets see then. This technique was created from the second Hokage. From this we learn "who" created it. This technique according to Madara was created in order to wipe out the map clean ( i assume he means because of the summoned people and their power ;feel free to add more thoughts of what this might mean ) along with the caster. That sounds as a suicidal technique hence the last measure that i said. So with what we have now we answered the "why". Now lets discuss about the reason why would someone use that. The second Hokage was the brother of the first who established the Hidden Villages inside the countries. I think he is a man who wouldnt abuse power and seeing the power of this technique as well as the "disrespect" against the dead people he labelled it as a forbidden.




Yes i quoted a post which said that the FTG was saved for Madara. Then i said that FTG was saved for Tobi. If u take those two then u make the conclusion a)that i contradict myself or b) Tobi=Madara.
At first i was supporting the theory that Tobi isnt Madara. I dont think he is Obito cause Obito was a kid who supported good things one of them being the teamwork. Izuna died in a battle ( we cant take this for granted though but its still the only info we got). I was thinking that he isnt even an Uchiha (explaining why he didnt advanced to Rinnegan and instead took Nagato's eyes). But with what Edo-Madara said about the infinite Tsukuyomi at the last chapter i am half way convinced that Tobi is Madara but with some weird explanation behind it. Also the reference "him" from Kabuto and Edo-Madara and now from Tsunade might be the same for the reason that since Kishi revealed the 6th coffin being Uchiha Madara and then chose to refer to him(Tobi) through Kabuto's words and Edo-Madara's as "Him" and also combining the info that we got from the fourth's fight with Tobi about the way he "defeated" him for the moment then i am convinced that Tsunade meant Tobi. The only part where i did wrong at my post is that i didnt explain that i believe that Tobi is Madara.

Lol at least we agree on something. I also believe that Tobi might be another form of Madara. But the thing is, NOBODY knows how effective FTG is against tobi except for two people. Tobi himself and Minato because they were the only two there. So to be honest Tsunade saying that we are saving FTG to use against Tobi. What makes her so sure it will work? It's why I truly believe she was referring to Naruto.

Lol we will probably never agree and to be honest Kishimoto can troll us all and we both might be wrong. But I do respect your opinion.

I see we've been taking psychology :-D.

Lol yeah. I took it in HS, and my 2nd year in college. xd

Wow 52 guests lol and Naruto isn't about to learn FTG he is gonna learn TBB.

Naruto is already in the process of learning TBB. Tsunade is saving FTG so he can learn it.

 

[Neloangelo13]

Lol at least we agree on something. I also believe that Tobi might be another form of Madara. But the thing is, NOBODY knows how effective FTG is against tobi except for two people. Tobi himself and Minato because they were the only two there. So to be honest Tsunade saying that we are saving FTG to use against Tobi. What makes her so sure it will work? It's why I truly believe she was referring to Naruto.

Lol we will probably never agree and to be honest Kishimoto can troll us all and we both might be wrong. But I do respect your opinion.

Indeed we agree on that. The effectiveness of FTG although can be proved with the successful rasengan of Minato on Tobi. But i totally agree at the point were Kishi can troll us anytime and in everyway he can and prove us wrong

 

[MinatoIsBestHokage]

Indeed we agree on that. The effectiveness of FTG although can be proved with the successful rasengan of Minato on Tobi. But i totally agree at the point were Kishi can troll us anytime and in everyway he can and prove us wrong

The success of FTG is everything. It is arguably the best technique if used in the right hands and just look at what Minato could do. I mean if you remember Kakashi Gaiden they pretty much said he was the reason they won the war. Anko says she wished Minato was still around to fight Orochimaru. All Minato had to do was touch you and he could put the formula on you and come up right behind you and your dead. Also people forget Tobi SOLIDIFIED HIMSELF and almost had Minato in his dimension but he was able to get out of it:

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Link shows he grabbed Minato's arm which Tobi can only grab something by solidifying. FTG2 is how he was able to attack Tobi, I mean it took Kakashi, Yamato, Fu, and Torune and other's way longer of a time to figure out that you can only attack him when he counter-attacks or when he is grabbing and pulling you into his dimension. FTG2 allowed him to throw a Kunai mid-air and transport to THAT KUNAI and land a rasengan the instant he teleported. I mean he teleported maybe 5 foot and already had a rasengan ready? People can say all they want that Naruto doesn't need anymore speed and they would be right, but FTG isn't about speed, it's about sheer teleportation. A's Lightning Release Armor can make Sasuke's MS miss but FTG would allow a person to not even have to dodge it. Think about the last chapter. The Kyuubi gives Naruto his chakra and he uses a bunch of Giant Rasengan's or whatever to destroy all the wood from Madara's Wood Release and clear a path to Madara but if he had FTG he wouldn't have to waste ALL THAT CHAKRA (which was all of it I think he says) and teleport right to Madara. Yes Minato was the perfect Shinobi for this technique, but Naruto would be too since he has already learned KM which is what the key was for, and he can use the Kyuubi's Chakra to use an enormous amount of Shadow Clones to learn how to have the control over it that Minato did. I don't know if there could be a FTG3 or a "master" version of it as people are stating. I think Minato was a master of it because of the control he had over it obviously. If Naruto could learn that and have KM mode, like I said he would have a Kunai or whatever he choses with the formula on every battlefield/squad and instead of sending clones he would just continuously go here and go there.

Point being as I have been saying there are only a couple of ways to combat Edo-Tensei/IWR: Sealing, Emotional Distress (i.e. - Sai's brother), Dead Demon Consuming Seal and FTG. I do think this will come after he learns how to use TBB though in KM.

Like I said the only way I think FTG could get better is somehow you turn Moon's Eye Plan into a FTG Plan aka reflecting the formula off the Moon onto the planet so Naruto could go from fighting Madara to eating Ramen to Sexy No Jutsu, etc... xd

 

[DeathReaperSeal]

lol the tschuki kage is missing a flip flop thingy

 

[Zero Tails]

Yeh but then why would it go straight to a picture of naruto after she said it?

I agree, I don't think they were referring to Naruto. It doesn't make sense to me in that context.

I was thinking that they would use that tech to transport madara to the sun or something, lolz.

 

[ShinobiEmperor]

Even Tsunade was able to surprise Madara by using Hiraishin as she kicked him fast enough (though it had no effect in Madara), if Naruto learns FTG and combine it with his insane speed it will be basically instant speedblitz for anyone.

 

[tacobelt]

the meaning might be incorrect and they might mean they plan to use the technique to summon him(naruto) to them.

 

[ReLax -]

Tobirama/2nd Hokage did not create FTG, Minato did. In fact the only thing they really have in common is that put your finger to the ground thing where they know how many enemies are around them and who they are (at least I think they could know who they were b/c Minato said it was most likely a shadow clone and if I remember correctly Tobirama said it was Master Bounty Hunters from the Hidden Cloud:

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Yes, you are correct. I don't know where I actually heard that from a thread it was Tobirama, but never actually looked into it.

 

[Reauner]

WTF... from where knows Madara about Infinite Tsukuyomi???

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Of course she knows a lot of technique, but this is the Tobi plan.. do you think that Kabuto tell`s Madara(Real Madara) everything???