Itachi vs Deva path

[lanakau888]

Three scenarios

Scenario 1:
Location: konoha after chou shinra tensei
Distance: 30 m
Knowledge: Manga
Restrictions: Chibaku Tensei
Mindset: IC

Scenario 2:
Same as scenario 1
No restrictions

Scenario 3:
Same as scenario 1
No restrictions
Mindset: Bloodlust

I thought this didn't need to be stated, but in all scenarios, nagato is close enough for deva to use chibaku tensei.
Lets see who judges the book by the cover, and who the analysts are.

Go.

 

[Braveknight]

*brain laggs*

 

[Flame Alchemist]

if it's only deva path I'd say itachi
deva has no where to hide and prepare for chibaku tensei if he tries to use it he will only let itachi take him down with totsuka, amaterasu or tsukuyomi
so in first two there is no difference

in order to defeat itachi's mangekyou you either need to have an ultimate defence or be able to move really fast
deva only has shinra tensei for that matter and it takes five seconds plus shinra tensei doesn't work against tsukuyomi

and it doesn't matter if it's bloodlust. nothing changes
itachi can put out amaterasu so he can kill him or not it's up to him
same with tsukuyomi he could kill kakashi but he didn't

 

[DigitalMonster]

1. Deva is fighting an intelligent individual that blends shadow clones with genjutsu. If he's too worried about getting caught in genjutsu, then he'll naturally give openings for ninjutsu, and if he's too lax, then he'll end up in layered genjutsu.
   
   
   
2. Also, a point that comes up is Deva's less than perfect usage of Shinra Tensei for defense. In-character, he uses it literally the instant it is available, regardless of the threat posed by the obstacle in question.
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3. Ultimately, Deva, while powerful, is not suited to one on one combat with top tiers. The individual Paths of Pain are limited and designed to fight as a unit. When deployed otherwise, there is a drop in ability. I suggest heavily restricting Itachi.

 

[lanakau888]

if it's only deva path I'd say itachi
deva has no where to hide and prepare for chibaku tensei if he tries to use it he will only let itachi take him down with totsuka, amaterasu or tsukuyomi
so in first two there is no difference

Distance is 30m. Itachi has to get in your face to use tsukuyomi if the opponent doesn't want to directly challenging itachi's genjutsu. He will not tsukuyomi deva path at that distance.

Amaterasu can be shinra tenseied.

Totsuka requires a full susanoo, which takes time to form.

Deva does not have to hide in order to use chibaku tensei. This was never stated, hinted at, or shown. Nagato used it while right next to bee, itachi and naruto. Tell me how itachi answers an instant chou shinra tensei or chibaku tensei?

 

[Flame Alchemist]

Distance is 30m. Itachi has to get in your face to use tsukuyomi if the opponent doesn't want to directly challenging itachi's genjutsu. He will not tsukuyomi deva path at that distance.

Amaterasu can be shinra tenseied.

Totsuka requires a full susanoo, which takes time to form.

Deva does not have to hide in order to use chibaku tensei. This was never stated, hinted at, or shown. Nagato used it while right next to bee, itachi and naruto. Tell me how itachi answers an instant chou shinra tensei or chibaku tensei?

he doesn't need to hide it takes time to do so and while doing it he needs to keep his hand closed so he's defensless that's why he needs to hide
tsukuyomi doesn't need to be cast on close range it was never stated like that and there is also this
he uses shinra tensei on first amaterasu
but second amaterasu will have 5 seconds to burn him to ashes

also susanoo never took time to activate
when sasuke used kirin itachi didn't make any preparations to activate we didn't even seen him activating


chou shinra tensei also takes time and normal shinra tensei can't do too much in 30 meters against someone like itachi

 

[lanakau888]

he doesn't need to hide it takes time to do so and while doing it he needs to keep his hand closed so he's defensless that's why he needs to hide

Doesn't take time at all, especially if he can move while doing it.

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tsukuyomi doesn't need to be cast on close range it was never stated like that and there is also this

Oh yes it does. Itachi needed to get in sasuke's face in order to do it. Sasuke needed a distraction in order to get C into it. Sasuke needed to get into danzo's face in order to do it. Also lets not forget that Deva has manga knowledge about itachi, so he knows not to look him in the eye. And in order to cast tsukuyomi, itachi has to first activate MS which means he won't get deva in it the moment the battle starts even if deva is looking him in the eyes.

he uses shinra tensei on first amaterasu
but second amaterasu will have 5 seconds to burn him to ashes

And it burns karin for more than 5 seconds, yet only her back is scathed. And lets not forget what one amaterasu does to itachi's eyes/ stamina, and that Deva speed > sasuke's speed and sasuke outran amaterasu for a little while.

 

[Flame Alchemist]

Doesn't take time at all, especially if he can move while doing it.

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Oh yes it does. Itachi needed to get in sasuke's face in order to do it. Sasuke needed a distraction in order to get C into it. Sasuke needed to get into danzo's face in order to do it. Also lets not forget that Deva has manga knowledge about itachi, so he knows not to look him in the eye. And in order to cast tsukuyomi, itachi has to first activate MS which means he won't get deva in it the moment the battle starts even if deva is looking him in the eyes.



And it burns karin for more than 5 seconds, yet only her back is scathed. And lets not forget what one amaterasu does to itachi's eyes/ stamina, and that Deva speed > sasuke's speed and sasuke outran amaterasu for a little while.

chibaku tensei took time after he started doing it and he may use it while running but in the battlearena you chose there is nothing to cover with. running won't do any good

no itachi didn't come close to sasuke when that happened they were already in a genjutsu they didn't make any move before itachi tried amaterasu

second, sasuke's first tsukiyomi was at a distance in the second one they were close but sasuke didn't use it when they pierced each other he used it while preparing his chidori sword

activating ms doesn't take more than half a second it doesn't make a difference if he starts with ordinary sharingan

it didn't burn karin 5 seconds sasuke stopped it immediately five seconds on mediaplayer doesn't mean 5 second on the naruto world

 

[lanakau888]

chibaku tensei took time after he started doing it and he may use it while running but in the battlearena you chose there is nothing to cover with. running won't do any good

While completing the full sphere isn't instant, its effects are instant. Tell me how itachi will kill deva running away, while itachi's only attack that can kill deva is the sword. Deva is possibly faster than itachi, and at a distance of 30 m itachi will not catch a deva running away before getting crushed by chibaku tensei.

no itachi didn't come close to sasuke when that happened they were already in a genjutsu they didn't make any move before itachi tried amaterasu

Nope re-read the fight. Itachi uses crows for distraction in order to get right in sasuke's face, and then gets him in tsukuyomi.

second, sasuke's first tsukiyomi was at a distance

C wasn't even paying attention to sasuke, he was focusing on finding karin and even then, sasuke needed a distraction to get C into it.

in the second one they were close but sasuke didn't use it when they pierced each other he used it while preparing his chidori sword

That wasn't tsukuyomi. It was simply a weak genjutsu.

activating ms doesn't take more than half a second it doesn't make a difference if he starts with ordinary sharingan

Oh yes it does if you are arguing that itachi tsukuyomi's deva path right when the battle starts.

it didn't burn karin 5 seconds sasuke stopped it immediately five seconds on mediaplayer doesn't mean 5 second on the naruto world

Burns her for more than a page. And considering Deva is faster than Sasuke who can dodge amaterasu for some time and amaterasu doesn't instantly travel to the opponent, deva will not get hit with amaterasu for 5 seconds. Possibly not even at all. And itachi doesn't want to spam amaterasu when it will do next to no damage against deva, while amatersu drains the hell out of itachi while deva can spam shinra tensei all day long.


So i've explained how amaterasu won't work
tsukuyomi won't work at that distance.
And susanoo will take too long to form.

And even if you completely ignore everything that I have countered you with, the best thing you can hope for is a double death since itachi has nothing to get him out of Chibaku Tensei.

 

[Flame Alchemist]

you are just assuming deva is faster than itachi
without using any technique itachi is one of the fastest shinobi. itachi is faster than deva
itachi and sasuke start fighting in a genjutsu (throwing shurikens, sasuke's chidori nagashi, even that crow thing already happens in a genjutsu)
c was distracted but get caught in genjutsu in a long distance
and the one I meant was sasuke's first genjutsu against danzo
he did it while danzo was standing on top of the bridge it was a distant genjutsu (the one itachi appeared)
no it's tsukuyomi tobi said so tobi also said sasuke's tsukuyomi can't be compared to itachi's
show me a page that takes time to activate ms
I'll show you which happens in an instant

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a page can't be used to specify time somethings happen at the same time. it just shows one after the another since it can't show both at the same time



look you really don't make any sense read the manga from start then come before me
I'm done with this thread

 

[lanakau888]

you are just assuming deva is faster than itachi
without using any technique itachi one of the fastest shinobi itachi is faster than deva

And you are assuming that itachi is faster than deva path. Deva blitzes kakashi, and is faster than the six-tails.

itachi and sasuke start fighting in a genjutsu throwing shurikensi sasuke's chidori nagashi, even that crow thing already happens in a genjutsu

Okay that was regular genjutsu and it even shows when the genjutsu battle started, when they locked eyes. Go re-read the fight. Itachi uses the crows (which is not tsukuyomi) as a distraction, runs up to sasuke and makes sasuke's eyes meet his MS, and that is when he gets him in Tsuku.

c was distracted but get caught in genjutsu in a long distance

You completely ignored my post

and the one I meant was sasuke's first genjutsu against danzo
he did it while danzo was standing on top of the bridge it was a distant genjutsu (the one itachi appeared)

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no it's tsukuyomi tobi said so tobi also said sasuke's tsukuyomi can't be compared to itachi's
show me a page that takes time to activate ms
I'll show you which happens in an instant

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a page can't be used to specify time something happen at the same time it just shows one after the another since it can't show both at the same time

And this proves my point that tsukuyomi can only be used at a close distance, which is why it shows sasuke using it when he is about to stab danzo.

look you really don't make any sense read the manga from start then come before me
I'm done with this thread

You don't make sense, you still haven't told me how itachi gets out of CT.
I clearly refuted your amaterasu argument
Tsukuyomi requires eyecontact and MS activated, something deva is aware of and will not fall under if at a distance of 30 meters.

So once again Deva either wins or worse case scenario, the fight is a draw (in scenarios 2 + 3, not 1)

Don't feel bad that itachi loses, its not about itachi's capabilities. Weaker ninja than him can get out of CT because getting out of it completely requires massive firepower, something itachi doesn't possess.

 

[yxcvb]

Excuse me, but do you suffer from psychological disease?
Itachi is on of the most powerful known characters.
He's a genius by any means. He knows excellent nin- and taijutsu moves, he's a master of ilussions, can use Amaterasu and has Susanoo, including Totsuka and Yatas Mirror, the ultimate weapons. And you seriously think that Tendo alone could defeat Itachi? One blow of Totsuka is enough to crush him.

I've already met tons of idiots yet, but you're the high point. Ridiculous.

 

[lanakau888]

Excuse me, but do you suffer from psychological disease?
Itachi is on of the most powerful known characters.
He's a genius by any means. He knows excellent nin- and taijutsu moves, he's a master of ilussions, can use Amaterasu and has Susanoo, including Totsuka and Yatas Mirror, the ultimate weapons. And you seriously think that Tendo alone could defeat Itachi? One blow of Totsuka is enough to crush him.

I've already met tons of idiots yet, but you're the high point. Ridiculous.

IT doesn't matter how powerful Itachi is compared to the mainstream of narutoverse. Every skill that you listed in itachi's arsenal doesn't help him at all in escaping from a chibaku tensei.

He doesn't have an answer to chibaku tensei which is prepared quickly, affects itachi instantly, and can be used regardless if the opponent is close to you. Many top tier ninja: orochimaru, jiraiya, hanzo, kisame, Raikage lack the offensive ability to escape chibaku tensei. Itachi doesn't have that offensive ability either. Look at the second to the last line in the OP where I say "Lets see who judges the book by the cover, and who the analysts are."

Sorry sir, but so far you have outed yourself as a "Judge the book by the cover" person.
Stop wanking and look at the facts.

 

[MinatoFLASH]

Itachi probably takes it in all but in the 3rd one his chances are lower

 

[Zato]

There is no real way Deva can beat Itachi by him self. Btw, Sasuke used tsukuyomi on Danzo and it wasn't at close range.

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By the way, you should really read the manga. The manga states that the Deva Path has to be NEAR Nagato for him to use Chibaku Tensei. This is why he let Naruto chase him instead of fighting him instead of just using that ability at Konoha. Your location says "konoha after chou shinra tensei". Deva Path loses man.

 

[lanakau888]

There is no real way Deva can beat Itachi by him self. Btw, Sasuke used tsukuyomi on Danzo and it wasn't at close range.

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The one confirmed time sasuke used tsukuyomi against danzo was when they were close. And as for the weak genjutsu sasuke used on danzo for his izanagi, we don't even know where sasuke was in respect to danzo when he casted that genjutsu.
If BL is on, Pain (full knowledge of tsukuyomi) will not look itachi in the eyes, instantly use shinra tensei on itachi, which will blow him far back, run away, run in the opposite direction and use chibaku tensei. There is litterally nothing itachi can do to get out of this scenario.

By the way, you should really read the manga. The manga states that the Deva Path has to be NEAR Nagato for him to use Chibaku Tensei. This is why he let Naruto chase him instead of fighting him instead of just using that ability at Konoha. Your location says "konoha after chou shinra tensei". Deva Path loses man.

Okay, you should really read the OP since it never says where the real nagato is in relation to deva realm and itachi, and since chibaku tensei isn't restricted in scenarios 2 and 3, nagato is close enough for deva to use it.


Tell me how itachi can get out of chibaku tensei.

Look I know the sound of one path of pain beating itachi is tough to bear, but the fact is this same path of pain, after destroying konoha and fighting sage naruto was enough to defeat the KN6 and possibly KN8 naruto. A bloodlusted Deva path alone (while not IC) would defeat 99% of the opponents in narutoverse with choushinra tensei or Chibaku tensei.

 

[Zato]

The one confirmed time sasuke used tsukuyomi against danzo was when they were close. And as for the weak genjutsu sasuke used on danzo for his izanagi, we don't even know where sasuke was in respect to danzo when he casted that genjutsu.
If BL is on, Pain (full knowledge of tsukuyomi) will not look itachi in the eyes, instantly use shinra tensei on itachi, which will blow him far back, run away, run in the opposite direction and use chibaku tensei. There is litterally nothing itachi can do to get out of this scenario.


Okay, you should really read the OP since it never says where the real nagato is in relation to deva realm and itachi, and since chibaku tensei isn't restricted in scenarios 2 and 3, nagato is close enough for deva to use it.


Tell me how itachi can get out of chibaku tensei.

Look I know the sound of one path of pain beating itachi is tough to bear, but the fact is this same path of pain, after destroying konoha and fighting sage naruto was enough to defeat the KN6 and possibly KN8 naruto. A bloodlusted Deva path alone (while not IC) would defeat 99% of the opponents in narutoverse with choushinra tensei or Chibaku tensei.

See after a response like that I can honestly say I'm done with this thread and after just my 2nd post. Just wow man. Sasuke clearly used a MS genjutsu on Danzo in that link and your trying to worm your way out of that evidence. Also, DEVA PATH CANNOT USE THAT ABILITY UNLESS HES CLOSE ENOUGH TO NAGATO. You saying that ability isn't restricted in scenario's 2 and 3 doesn't mean he can use the ability right then and there. He still has to be near Nagato to use it. But of course NOW you want to say "Oh well I never said where Nagato's location is". But its obvious your settings this fight up as if Itachi was switched with Naruto. So magically Nagato would be somewhere in Konoha for him to be able to use the ability. That deserves a HA-HA! It's not my fault you never said where Nagato's location was, so guess what? It's for us to assume that hes at the same place he was in the Managa during he Naruto vs Pain fight. Deva path loses.


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[lanakau888]

See after a response like that I can honestly say I'm done with this thread and after just my 2nd post. Just wow man. Sasuke clearly used a MS genjutsu on Danzo in that link and your trying to worm your way out of that evidence. Also, DEVA PATH CANNOT USE THAT ABILITY UNLESS HES CLOSE ENOUGH TO NAGATO. You saying that ability isn't restricted in scenario's 2 and 3 doesn't mean he can use the ability right then and there. He still has to be near Nagato to use it.

Chibaku tensei not being restricted means that in scenarios 2 and 3 nagato is close enough to deva so that deva can use it. I don't know what problem you have with this argument.

But of course NOW you want to say "Oh well I never said where Nagato's location is". But its obvious your settings this fight up as if Itachi was switched with Naruto. So magically Nagato would be somewhere in Konoha for him to be able to use the ability. That deserves a HA-HA! It's not my fault you never said where Nagato's location was, so guess what? It's for us to assume that hes at the same place he was in the Managa during he Naruto vs Pain fight. Deva path loses.

Well I am the OP and I meant for nagato to be close enough for Deva to use it. Now that you have brought this issue to my attention, I will edit the OP so that it will be clear that Nagato is close enough.

About the MS. The starting distance is 30m, seems very iffy to think that sasuke was 30 m, 99ft away from danzo when he cast tsukuyomi. But even if he was: Do you know what Blood lusted means? Do you know what "full knowledge or manga knowledge means?"
Blood lusted means deva will shinra tensei itachi away right when the battle starts, before itachi can activate his MS and cast Tsukuyomi.

Manga knowledge means deva knows about Tsukuyomi and will not look in itachi's eyes.

The only way you have stated itachi wins is with tsukuyomi, and I just showed you how a BL deva will not fall into it.

 

[Zato]

And please, show me the scan of sasuke using MS on danzo. The actual scan of him casting the technique on danzo.

Check the bottom of my post above.

 

[Mihael Keehl]

Itachi wins all three scenarios this with utter ease, all of the paths by themselves are at best chuunin level, even the deva path cannot harness abilities with as much finesse as the main body, which Nagato demonstrated against Naruto, Bee and Itachi.

Itachi would figure out the mechanisms of Deva path much like how Kakashi did through the use of bunshins and his MS. If you wanted to make this a fair fight, restrict Itachi's MS, specifically Susano'o.