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[ReXii]

Re: Tobi is fugaku uchiha!!!

Not in the slightest i could see izuna being bitter about his brothers exile and defeat obito is dead people need to accept this also shisui is dead and had no eyes when he died people need to accept that kagami nobody knows about him he could be good or evil thats the facts

 

[BarBoBot]

Re: Tobi is fugaku uchiha!!!

you obviously have no common sense.

Show me a plausable throery that DOESNT involve Tobi being a uchiha...

NO MATTER WHICH UCHIHA HE IS HE HELPED KILL HIS OWN CLAN.PERIOD.

Wheather its Fugaku or Izuna, or Tobi, or Kagame....whoever it is it was an uchiha who helped KILL HIS OWN CLAN.

Fugaku is not exempt from that...:flaw:

 

[ReXii]

Re: Tobi is fugaku uchiha!!!

Just being an uchiha makes them all the same that makes no sense :flaw:
They all have different view points and beliefs and do things in different ways your just determined to try and undermine these points so your BS theory will hold some weight but it doesnt and has thousands of holes in it

 

[soggysombrero]

Re: Tobi is fugaku uchiha!!!

if he is fugaku, then sasuke has the most messed up family ever lol. talk about a broken home

 

[EternalMangekyouRinnegan]

Re: Tobi is fugaku uchiha!!!

if he is fugaku, then sasuke has the most messed up family ever lol. talk about a broken home

Mikoto Uchiha was a ***** or so I heard

 

[Narubro]

Re: The Truth of the Man Behind the Mask (Theory)

this is just like my theory, great minds think alike

 

[KrillinVSNaruto]

Kagami Uchiha is Tobi, Madara Uchiha isn't

Kagami Uchiha: He is presumed dead, sometime before or after the Uchiha clan massacre. He was part of the 2nd Hokage's squad for potential 3rd Hokages, alongside Hiruzen Sarutobi(3rd), Danzo Shimura, Homura Mitokado & Koharu Utatane(Village Elders) and Torifu Akimichi.

Tobi said that he helped Itachi and the Leaf higher ups to kill the Uchiha clan. Also, he's always had a ridiculous amount of information about Konoha's current activities and their secrets. It seems like that's the kind of information a former high-ranking jonin like Kagami Uchiha would be able to obtain. Also, no one has ever seen Tobi's mangekyou sharingan, if he has one.

Even if Tobi were Madara Uchiha in some sort of weird disembodied, soul split in half kinda way. He has never used Susanoo and the dead Madara Uchiha doesn't seem able to teleport or make himself immaterial, or else when Gaara pulled Madara out of his Susanoo he would've made himself immaterial or teleported to avoid the attack but he couldn't stop or dodge Naruto's rasenshuriken, so he awakened his rinnegan. There's also the super oubvious fact that Tobi cant turn his 1 remaining sharingan into a rinnegan, he had to take Nagato Uzumaki's eye.

I believe Tobi's claim to be Madara Uchiha is just a form of psy-ops. In other words, he's messing with his enemy's mind lol.

I know this isn't really proof, but check out Kagami Uchiha's face and compare it to every half shot of Tobi's face. They look alike and also have the same hair, of course Tobi's hair is long when he kidnaps baby Naruto so i guess we can ignore the hair. But also, Tobi has some old man wrinkles on his face, he actually looks about as old as Danzo. Which would fit since Kagami Uchiha and Danzo grew up together and were both jonin on the same team. Kagami Uchiha was one of the 6 ninjas the 2nd Hokage asked to risk their life for the good of the team. He picked Hiruzen Sarutobi to the next Hokage, because he's the one who stepped up to sacrifice himself. We all know Danzo became really bitter because he wanted to be the Hokage. So maybe Kagami Uchiha took it WAY harder than Danzo did and went crazy lol.

Anyway, I'll be making a poll for this thread, just answer YES or NO on whether you believe Tobi is Kagami Uchiha

Random fact on Tobi(I'm not sure,correct me if I'm wrong):
Tobi(after the Sasuke VS Danzo fight,i assume) ends up injecting himself with the 1st Hokage's cells so that he can use Izanagi(two things are needed, a sharingan and Senju DNA). Whereas Madara somehow received his wood release powers from fighting with the 1st Hokage.
:shrug:

 

[Zaxelzero]

Re: Kagami Uchiha is Tobi, Madara Uchiha isn't

God =[ now there's a fourth idea i kind of support lol

 

[AJisRaw]

Re: Kagami Uchiha is Tobi, Madara Uchiha isn't

Kagami Uchiha: He is presumed dead, sometime before or after the Uchiha clan massacre. He was part of the 2nd Hokage's squad for potential 3rd Hokages, alongside Hiruzen Sarutobi(3rd), Danzo Shimura, Homura Mitokado & Koharu Utatane(Village Elders) and Torifu Akimichi.

Tobi said that he helped Itachi and the Leaf higher ups to kill the Uchiha clan. Also, he's always had a ridiculous amount of information about Konoha's current activities and their secrets. It seems like that's the kind of information a former high-ranking jonin like Kagami Uchiha would be able to obtain. Also, no one has ever seen Tobi's mangekyou sharingan, if he has one.

Even if Tobi were Madara Uchiha in some sort of weird disembodied, soul split in half kinda way. He has never used Susanoo and the dead Madara Uchiha doesn't seem able to teleport or make himself immaterial, or else when Gaara pulled Madara out of his Susanoo he would've made himself immaterial or teleported to avoid the attack but he couldn't stop or dodge Naruto's rasenshuriken, so he awakened his rinnegan. There's also the super oubvious fact that Tobi cant turn his 1 remaining sharingan into a rinnegan, he had to take Nagato Uzumaki's eye.

I believe Tobi's claim to be Madara Uchiha is just a form of psy-ops. In other words, he's messing with his enemy's mind lol.

I know this isn't really proof, but check out Kagami Uchiha's face and compare it to every half shot of Tobi's face. They look alike and also have the same hair, of course Tobi's hair is long when he kidnaps baby Naruto so i guess we can ignore the hair. But also, Tobi has some old man wrinkles on his face, he actually looks about as old as Danzo. Which would fit since Kagami Uchiha and Danzo grew up together and were both jonin on the same team. Kagami Uchiha was one of the 6 ninjas the 2nd Hokage asked to risk their life for the good of the team. He picked Hiruzen Sarutobi to the next Hokage, because he's the one who stepped up to sacrifice himself. We all know Danzo became really bitter because he wanted to be the Hokage. So maybe Kagami Uchiha took it WAY harder than Danzo did and went crazy lol.

Anyway, I'll be making a poll for this thread, just answer YES or NO on whether you believe Tobi is Kagami Uchiha

Random fact on Tobi(I'm not sure,correct me if I'm wrong):
Tobi(after the Sasuke VS Danzo fight,i assume) ends up injecting himself with the 1st Hokage's cells so that he can use Izanagi(two things are needed, a sharingan and Senju DNA). Whereas Madara somehow received his wood release powers from fighting with the 1st Hokage.
:shrug:

^ I also support this TBH...

 

[Makeril]

Re: Kagami Uchiha is Tobi, Madara Uchiha isn't

I've said this for the past two days. You're late.

 

[UchihaJetx]

Re: Kagami Uchiha is Tobi, Madara Uchiha isn't

I've said this for the past two days. You're late.

hmm, looks like tobi searched for his body quickly

 

[nexius]

Re: Kagami Uchiha is Tobi, Madara Uchiha isn't

why people say that nagato is usumaki i dont get it????

 

[Makeril]

Re: Kagami Uchiha is Tobi, Madara Uchiha isn't

why people say that nagato is usumaki i dont get it????

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[Makeril]

Re: Kagami Uchiha is Tobi, Madara Uchiha isn't

hmm, looks like tobi searched for his body quickly

lolwut?

 

[Disquiet]

Re: Kagami Uchiha is Tobi, Madara Uchiha isn't

this guy had a theory about tobi being a 3rd son of the so6p, I kind put my own little input in it.

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[NarutoVsGoku]

Re: Kagami Uchiha is Tobi, Madara Uchiha isn't

Y would kagami attack the leaf?
How does kagami know whats written on the uchiha tablets if kagami doesnt have ms or rinnegan?
Why did itachi said he knew madara was alive and sought him when its really kagami?
Why was minatos only guess for tobi, madara? Why didnt minato guess it was kagami?
How did kagami get hashirama cells?
Why would kagami want to start a war?
Why does kagami talk like he was madara when he was explaining the foundation of the leaf and the fight at the valley of the end?
Why do the elders say they are the last of their generations? Their generations include danzo hiruzen and kagami. If the elders are the last doesnt that mean kagami is dead?
What proof is there that kagami can control kyuubi, control a tailed beast? Madara was said to be the only uchiha to do so by itachi.

 

[Kerrah]

Re: Kagami Uchiha is Tobi, Madara Uchiha isn't

Y would kagami attack the leaf?
How does kagami know whats written on the uchiha tablets if kagami doesnt have ms or rinnegan?
Why did itachi said he knew madara was alive and sought him when its really kagami?
Why was minatos only guess for tobi, madara? Why didnt minato guess it was kagami?
How did kagami get hashirama cells?
Why would kagami want to start a war?
Why does kagami talk like he was madara when he was explaining the foundation of the leaf and the fight at the valley of the end?
Why do the elders say they are the last of their generations? Their generations include danzo hiruzen and kagami. If the elders are the last doesnt that mean kagami is dead?
What proof is there that kagami can control kyuubi, control a tailed beast? Madara was said to be the only uchiha to do so by itachi.

- Perhaps, just like Madara. He was in anger towards the leaf because he was not appointed Hokage.
- You never know, he could have gained a MS sometime during his lifetime. He was believed to have died either sometime before or after the Uchiha clan massacre. And don't forget if he was alive during that time he would be quite old and fond of the Sharingan, there is no proof which suggests if he had a MS. However, there is also no proof which says he did not have a MS.
- If Tobi could persuade everyone in the whole Shinobi world that he was Madara Uchiha, he could as well persuade Itachi.
- Minato does not know Everything. I recite the words from the manga ''There's only one man I can think of that makes sense... Again, you have to think, Minato is only human, he does not know what everyone is capable off, he only judged his opinion based on what he already knows. And hence, came up with the decision of him being Madara Uchiha.
- The same way ''Tobi'' got it.
- Maybe a plan that was made with Madara, see as Madara describes it as ''Our Plan rather than just My plan. And as soon as he mentions it, Kabuto mentions the fact that the Fake Madara (Tobi)may not act according to plan. The start of the war has a lot of history to it.
- Kagami could well of been alive during the foundation of Konoha. Since he is also an Uchiha, I believe he had maintained a very close relationship to Madara, perhaps his son or apprentice. If Madara was to be defeated. It was Kagami's job to fulfill the plan, acting as what strikes fear into the Shinobi world, just because he is acting as Madara makes it even more scarier for everyone, as Tsunade said ''Madara is more than a man, he is an ideal. The name itself is power.''
- I don't believe that, as Torifu Akimichi is still alive. And he was part of their generation.
- Again, Itachi is not all-knowing. The knowledge that exists in his mind is only based of what he has learnt or been told. Same with Minato's case, there is no proof which supports each side of that point, but people can still believe.

I'm not saying i'm right. I'm merely stating why I believe I could be right.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Re: Kagami Uchiha is Tobi, Madara Uchiha isn't

Ok here is the question that even you can't answer and is why i believe tobi is izuna....the question is "How does Tobi know sooo much about madara?!?!?!?"

 

[Whiteknight]

Re: Kagami Uchiha is Tobi, Madara Uchiha isn't

Ok here is the question that even you can't answer and is why i believe tobi is izuna....the question is "How does Tobi know sooo much about madara?!?!?!?"

Here's a question for you: Did Madara or Izuna have any children? One of their children would certainly know a lot about Madara and Izuna.

Let's imagine that Izuna has a child. Izuna doesn't die when his eyes are removed, and lives a few more years, maybe with a nurse. The nurse takes pity on him, they get crazy, and then Izuna has a child. What if that child is somebody we know in the Manga who people have suggested might be Tobi: Kagami or Fugaku come to mind.

Look at how angry and stupid Neji was when he thought his father was sacrificed for the good of the clan. Neji was pretty much of a jerk until he learned the truth about his father's sacrifice. Now let's look back and see what would happen if Kagami or Fugaku were the son (or grandson) of Izuna:

1) Izuna gave his eyes for the sake of the Uchiha, then the Uchiha signed a peace agreement with the Senju. Then, Hashirama becomes hokage (not Madara) and eventually the Senju segregate the Uchiha to a corner of the village because of distrust. That is a pretty big way to waste Izuna's sacrifice and to hurt the Uchiha people, something Izuna wanted to try and prevent.
2) Knowing that sacrifice, the son would be looking for evidence that the Uchiha were being oppressed. Kagami would see that the second Hokage was a Senju, and he witnessed the third hokage being selected that wasn't an Uchiha either. Fugaku would have remembered all that, plus the continued segregation of the Uchiha, and later he was planning a revolt against the village.

The Son of Izuna would have lots of knowledge about Madara/Izuna because he would grow up in their house. He would know their plans, problems, and motivations. He might inherit some of their power and learn their techniques. It also is a theory that helps combine some of the best parts of the "Izuna is Tobi" theory with the "Either Fugaku/Kagami are Tobi" theories.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Re: Kagami Uchiha is Tobi, Madara Uchiha isn't

Here's a question for you: Did Madara or Izuna have any children? One of their children would certainly know a lot about Madara and Izuna.

Let's imagine that Izuna has a child. Izuna doesn't die when his eyes are removed, and lives a few more years, maybe with a nurse. The nurse takes pity on him, they get crazy, and then Izuna has a child. What if that child is somebody we know in the Manga who people have suggested might be Tobi: Kagami or Fugaku come to mind.

Look at how angry and stupid Neji was when he thought his father was sacrificed for the good of the clan. Neji was pretty much of a jerk until he learned the truth about his father's sacrifice. Now let's look back and see what would happen if Kagami or Fugaku were the son (or grandson) of Izuna:

1) Izuna gave his eyes for the sake of the Uchiha, then the Uchiha signed a peace agreement with the Senju. Then, Hashirama becomes hokage (not Madara) and eventually the Senju segregate the Uchiha to a corner of the village because of distrust. That is a pretty big way to waste Izuna's sacrifice and to hurt the Uchiha people, something Izuna wanted to try and prevent.
2) Knowing that sacrifice, the son would be looking for evidence that the Uchiha were being oppressed. Kagami would see that the second Hokage was a Senju, and he witnessed the third hokage being selected that wasn't an Uchiha either. Fugaku would have remembered all that, plus the continued segregation of the Uchiha, and later he was planning a revolt against the village.

The Son of Izuna would have lots of knowledge about Madara/Izuna because he would grow up in their house. He would know their plans, problems, and motivations. He might inherit some of their power and learn their techniques. It also is a theory that helps combine some of the best parts of the "Izuna is Tobi" theory with the "Either Fugaku/Kagami are Tobi" theories.

no since they never showed izuna or madara married