[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 560 Discussion and 561 Predictions

[NapoleonKiller]

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You have me on the thing about his parentss but who believes tobi.. He is saying he is Madara Uchiha yet Madara Uchiha is dead..
Unless Tobi is a clone of Madara or A path of Madara(which I believe may be the case) then I don't believe anything about Tobi's story so far.

Neither do i...
But i believe that the real madara gave rinnegan to nagato because when he is resurrected, his first words are "that little brat nagato managed to grow"

 

[gatrevar]

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tiptop, I believe your theory is perfectly plausible

 

[NapoleonKiller]

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Also, NapoleonKiller:


I'm sorry, the structure you gave to your ideas inhibited me from understanding any of them, that is, if they made sense --> I do not mean to offend, I am being completely sioncere.

We should not mix the War with Tobi's plans, for the War is just theatrkics he chose to let take place in order to let the Ninja World witness his genius. Had he known Madara would be brought to the battlefield through the Impure World Resurrection, he would not have risked that much, and that is where I'm headed to: he reacted the way he reacted solely because it was his brother Madara, being brought to the mortal world by those means - Madara himself expressed his disgust for that technique immediately after Muu told him, because he was expecting to be resurrected by Nagato (and he made it obvious earlier), whom would have been chosen as responsible for such a trait by none other than Izuna/Tobi. This also explains Tobi's disdain towards Nagato betraying their cause.

Of course, all of this only works if Tobi is, in fact, Izuna. And nobody knows that yet.

I know i suck at english
I was quoting the other guy who said that it was izuna's plan to use nagato as the vessel for madara's rinnegan and when madara is resurrected using IWR he can get his rinnegan back. And he was wrong. Because now tobi uses that rinnegan that he (or probably madara) gave to nagato. And seeing madara's coffin (when kabuto was blackmailing him) he gave a strange reaction.
I was just proving that guy's predictions wrong. Nothing else.

And we can use any part of story to prove anything. This WAR is for the 8 & 9 tails, not to show how genius he is.

And you cannot PROVE someone wromg until what you say is perfectly proven in the manga.

 

[KnowledgeGod]

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KnoledgeGod, no. It was clearly stated that the Juubi's chakra was divided into nine entities (tailed-beasts), and its body sealed inside the moon, even if that sounds metaphorical - or the sealing might have been in another way/somewhere else, I'm not willing to do all the reasearch right now, but it does not change the fact that such a division CAN NOT use the entity's number of tails as reference for selecting the numbers to be divided, only the fact that it had enormous chakra and was proportionately distributed in nine derived entities (there could be a correlation between the amount of chakra recieved by the derived entity and the entity's number of tails itself, as we have seen that the Kyuubi and Hachibi are the strongest). It was a division, not a deduction.

Where do you find the basis for that theory about Black Zetzu being the tenth tail, Tobi, and the mastermind behind everything? To me he just seems to be thrilled by chaos and all the theatrics his masters, id est, Madara and Izuna, give place to in order to achieve their plans. Black Zetsu has been called "The Magician's Helper" and that is what he is: a follower, an admirer, a subject. Are you forgetting White Zetsu, NOT Black Zetsu is the clone factory? And we just saw Black Zetsu at the battlefield, a few chapters ago. Kishimoto just wanted to include another War in the plot to bring many deceased characters to the scene. Had it depended only on Tobi, and he had done only what his cause dictated, the War would have been dispensable, and that is where Tobi's biggest mistake is.

Also, NapoleonKiller:



I'm sorry, the structure you gave to your ideas inhibited me from understanding any of them, that is, if they made sense --> I do not mean to offend, I am being completely sincere.

We should not mix the War with Tobi's plans, for the War is just theatrics he chose to let take place in order to let the Ninja World witness his genius. Had he known Madara would be brought to the battlefield through the Impure World Resurrection, he would not have risked that much, and that is where I'm headed to: he reacted the way he reacted solely because it was his brother Madara, being brought to the mortal world by those means - Madara himself expressed his disgust for that technique immediately after Muu told him, because he was expecting to be resurrected by Nagato (and he made it obvious earlier), whom would have been chosen as responsible for such a trait by none other than Izuna/Tobi. This also explains Tobi's disdain towards Nagato betraying their cause.

Of course, all of this only works if Tobi is, in fact, Izuna. And nobody knows that yet.

You will have to read my posts on Black Zestu......You only seen 1/2 of Black Zestu on the Battlefield....Zestu is known as The Magician's Helper" this is a fact.yes! indeed.....Tobi refers or calls The White and Black 1/2's as a whole Zestu and even when the White 1/2 is seperated from the Black 1/2......He never calls The Black Zestu 1/2 or refer to him as Black Zestu.....I never seen Tobi or recall Tobi calling The Black 1/2 of Zestu, Zestu or even Black Zestu....logic!

 

[NapoleonKiller]

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Lets just hope the new release has some awesome secrets!

 

[NapoleonKiller]

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Lets just hope the new release has some awesome secrets!

 

[Omningan]

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I know everything your saying is fact......but your not understand what im telling you...Madara died! yes Edo tensi proves this to be true....Im not saying that Madara is Tobi's soul or anything...Im saying Tobi consist of Madara's original body, White Zestu, and Black Zestu....White Zestu is able to make a copy anybody including that person life force. Life force is the Chakra pattern.....So in a sense Tobi is telling the truth.....

Edo tensi Madara and Black Zestu planned everything before Madara actually died against Hashirama, but the thing is Edo tensi Madara doesnt knows that Black Zestu has changed part of himself to who we know as Tobi. He dont know about Tobi....Edo tensi Madara just know of the Black Zestu form.

I feel like Black Zestu was doubled crossing Madara from the entire begining...for his own purpose, Madara was just a key ingredient that he needed to make himself whole again...logic!

wrong wrong wrong.
edo madara just said they he knew that there was a plan
and that it is not going the way he expected it would.
and he also said that he knew there was another party involved in the plan.
a HIM
this proves that madara edo knows that this whole thing is tobi's doing, but that edo madara doesnt understand what happened, because something isnt going the way edo madara expected, because he was brought back not by nagato but by kabutos impure world rez.

this proves that edo madara, as a living person before he died,
1.) had a plan
and 2.) had a partner in this plan (tobi obviously)
and 3.) nagato bringing madara back to life was at least part of the original plan before it changed. he is not happy to be brought back as an edo.

we also know that tobi was not entirely happy with kabuto for bringing madara back as an edo. he seemed shocked, and upset but at the same time impressed. this makes perfect sense if tobi is infact izuna.

these reactions make no sense at all if tobi is this half madara, half zetsu as you claim.

the edo madara wouldnt have refered to tobi as "HIM"
he would refered to him as "ME"
which is stupid in and of itself.

COMMONSENSE

and not to blow you out even harder, but kisame and itachi saw tobi's face...
if he was this half dead man, half zetsu THING that you keep saying he is, i think they wouldve been a little disturbed by that.... they wouldnt have thought he was madara.
itachi has the sharingan and the only way to fool itachi into thinking that you are infact the original madara, is to be so similar in every way that it is indistinguishable.
such as... say... a brother for instance?


and just as another side note after reading my own post.
tobi is as crazy as the entire wing of a loony bin.
he goes from being this unassuming, mask wearing wuss, who sounds like an idiot
to being the most hardcore, most mysterious, most bad mofo we've ever seen.
that sounds like a perfect description for a man that sacrificed his own eyes to a brother who was crucified by his own people and left for dead, all the while planning his elaborate revenge against all the jackholes that hurt him and his bro. for years and years he's built this plan and worked tirelessly to put the right pieces in play. tobi is not some retard half being tail entity from some giant monster.... he is obviously a psychotic brother of a slain hero who has lost a few marbles over the past couple decades.

 

[gatrevar]

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NapoleonKiller, do you happen to be spanish-spoken?

 

[botan15]

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NapoleonKiller, do you happen to be spanish-spoken?

welcome to naruto base

 

[Rico Uchiha]

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wrong wrong wrong.
edo madara just said they he knew that there was a plan
and that it is not going the way he expected it would.
and he also said that he knew there was another party involved in the plan.
a HIM
this proves that madara edo knows that this whole thing is tobi's doing, but that edo madara doesnt understand what happened, because something isnt going the way edo madara expected, because he was brought back not by nagato but by kabutos impure world rez.

this proves that edo madara, as a living person before he died,
1.) had a plan
and 2.) had a partner in this plan (tobi obviously)
and 3.) nagato bringing madara back to life was at least part of the original plan before it changed. he is not happy to be brought back as an edo.

we also know that tobi was not entirely happy with kabuto for bringing madara back as an edo. he seemed shocked, and upset but at the same time impressed. this makes perfect sense if tobi is infact izuna.

these reactions make no sense at all if tobi is this half madara, half zetsu as you claim.

the edo madara wouldnt have refered to tobi as "HIM"
he would refered to him as "ME"
which is stupid in and of itself.

COMMONSENSE

and not to blow you out even harder, but kisame and itachi saw tobi's face...
if he was this half dead man, half zetsu THING that you keep saying he is, i think they wouldve been a little disturbed by that.... they wouldnt have thought he was madara.
itachi has the sharingan and the only way to fool itachi into thinking that you are infact the original madara, is to be so similar in every way that it is indistinguishable.
such as... say... a brother for instance?


and just as another side note after reading my own post.
tobi is as crazy as the entire wing of a loony bin.
he goes from being this unassuming, mask wearing wuss, who sounds like an idiot
to being the most hardcore, most mysterious, most bad mofo we've ever seen.
that sounds like a perfect description for a man that sacrificed his own eyes to a brother who was crucified by his own people and left for dead, all the while planning his elaborate revenge against all the jackholes that hurt him and his bro. for years and years he's built this plan and worked tirelessly to put the right pieces in play. tobi is not some retard half being tail entity from some giant monster.... he is obviously a psychotic brother of a slain hero who has lost a few marbles over the past couple decades.

cool stuff! only thing i hate is when people go ''wrong wrong wrong''
but incredible analysis

 

[Omningan]

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cool stuff! only thing i hate is when people go ''wrong wrong wrong''
but incredible analysis

thanks for the compliment.
ya i hear you...
i wouldnt have done it, but this guy has posted his silly theories all up and down this thread, without even looking at them carefully.
I am getting sick of him being all high and mighty
"im on a whole nother level than you guys"
oh please.
you are a fan boy with silly ideas that have no real basis for fact.

not to mention if black/white zetsu and tobi where two parts of the same piece, why would they even need to talk to each other?
and why would tobi give the orders to black/white zetsu?
wouldnt it be the other way around?

not to mention the fact that tobi was in the kage summit with a byakugan user. had he been strange in any way such as this half half monstrosity, i think that ninja woulda noticed....

 

[botan15]

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over 100 pages of this discussions and predictions this proves this chapter was amazing cant wait till Wednesday NARUTO 561

 

[romidane]

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Has anyone ever considered that tobi could be a an incomplete clone of the real madara thus they wouldn't share the same soul but the clone would have all his knowledge and history.. this would explain why he is weaker than the real madara and why endo madara reffered to him as "his".. i don't know just spit balling here...

 

[KnowledgeGod]

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wrong wrong wrong.
edo madara just said they he knew that there was a plan
and that it is not going the way he expected it would.
and he also said that he knew there was another party involved in the plan.
a HIM
this proves that madara edo knows that this whole thing is tobi's doing, but that edo madara doesnt understand what happened, because something isnt going the way edo madara expected, because he was brought back not by nagato but by kabutos impure world rez.

this proves that edo madara, as a living person before he died,
1.) had a plan
and 2.) had a partner in this plan (tobi obviously)
and 3.) nagato bringing madara back to life was at least part of the original plan before it changed. he is not happy to be brought back as an edo.

we also know that tobi was not entirely happy with kabuto for bringing madara back as an edo. he seemed shocked, and upset but at the same time impressed. this makes perfect sense if tobi is infact izuna.

these reactions make no sense at all if tobi is this half madara, half zetsu as you claim.

the edo madara wouldnt have refered to tobi as "HIM"
he would refered to him as "ME"
which is stupid in and of itself.

COMMONSENSE

and not to blow you out even harder, but kisame and itachi saw tobi's face...
if he was this half dead man, half zetsu THING that you keep saying he is, i think they wouldve been a little disturbed by that.... they wouldnt have thought he was madara.
itachi has the sharingan and the only way to fool itachi into thinking that you are infact the original madara, is to be so similar in every way that it is indistinguishable.
such as... say... a brother for instance?


and just as another side note after reading my own post.
tobi is as crazy as the entire wing of a loony bin.
he goes from being this unassuming, mask wearing wuss, who sounds like an idiot
to being the most hardcore, most mysterious, most bad mofo we've ever seen.
that sounds like a perfect description for a man that sacrificed his own eyes to a brother who was crucified by his own people and left for dead, all the while planning his elaborate revenge against all the jackholes that hurt him and his bro. for years and years he's built this plan and worked tirelessly to put the right pieces in play. tobi is not some retard half being tail entity from some giant monster.... he is obviously a psychotic brother of a slain hero who has lost a few marbles over the past couple decades.

I never said that Edo tensi Madara never knew of of plan...he just realize that it is another party involved!!!! Kabuto is the other party because he's been resurrected back as a Edo tensi insted of back to life from Nagato... Like him and Black Zestu had planned it......logic!

 

[KnowledgeGod]

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I see i got alot of people pissed at my theories and predictions....Im sorry. I only come in peace!.. just quote my work when the truth is revealed....If you think Tobi is either Obito,Kagami,or Izuna....delete your NarutoBase account because your not a true fan of kishimotos work...logic!

 

[Omningan]

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Your sad attempts to cling to the ridiculous theory that I have already disproved are entertaining, but pitiful....
Your posts aren't even making sense...not that they ever did...

I wrote 5 or so paragraphs worth of well thought out information.
Your reply was a couple sentences and made no sense.
Youve shown that you are the LACKofKnowledgeGod.

Kabuto says "I AM HIS ASSSISTANT"

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in reponse to Edo-Madara's previous statement
"THIS IS HIS DOING"

They are talking about the same individual.... TOBI.

Madara had a plan with Tobi, that plan has changed...
Kabuto has weasled his way into the plan...
Neither Tobi nor Edo-Madara are very happy about it.
But they are obviously powerless to do anything about it.

Black Zetsu did not plan something with Edo-Madara before Madara died...
Id even wager that Black Zetsu was created FROM Madara either before he died, or shortly after his death...I'm not claiming this one, just saying I wouldn't be surprised.
There is a good chance that Edo-Madara doesnt even know who Zetsu is...

The fact that Edo-Madara even knows Tobi proves that Tobi is older than he appears.
He is obviously from Madara's time period, or even older.
My solid money is still on Izuna, until Kishi shows us the truth.
Who else could be that old, that knowledgable, that evil, and that powerful?
Who else would CLAIM to be Madara if they arent?

Commonsense!

 

[KnowledgeGod]

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thanks for the compliment.
ya i hear you...
i wouldnt have done it, but this guy has posted his silly theories all up and down this thread, without even looking at them carefully.
I am getting sick of him being all high and mighty
"im on a whole nother level than you guys"
oh please.
you are a fan boy with silly ideas that have no real basis for fact.

not to mention if black/white zetsu and tobi where two parts of the same piece, why would they even need to talk to each other?
and why would tobi give the orders to black/white zetsu?
wouldnt it be the other way around?

not to mention the fact that tobi was in the kage summit with a byakugan user. had he been strange in any way such as this half half monstrosity, i think that ninja woulda noticed....

You stated:not to mention the fact that tobi was in the kage summit with a byakugan user. had he been strange in any way such as this half half monstrosity, i think that ninja woulda noticed...

What is White Zestu capabilities? i will be your professor and school you my student since you dont understand.....White Zestu is able to clone whomever he comes in contact with even copying a persons chakra pattern... Byakugan users only recognizes chakra....Now what does Tobi body consist of hmmm! I think its White Zestu...Im just guessing...logic! Oh yeah the only person at the Kage summit who knew or came in contact with Madara was Onooki, because he fought against him. Onooki dont know if its Madara or not because he is not a Byakugan user, so he cant see behind the mask. Onooki and everyone else is going off Word of Mouth...logic!!!! Even on Manga 559 Onooki and everybody else is like if Madara is a Edo tensi then who is the mask man!!!logic!

 

[KnowledgeGod]

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Your sad attempts to cling to the ridiculous theory that I have already disproved are entertaining, but pitiful....
Your posts aren't even making sense...not that they ever did...

I wrote 5 or so paragraphs worth of well thought out information.
Your reply was a couple sentences and made no sense.
Youve shown that you are the LACKofKnowledgeGod.

Kabuto says "I AM HIS ASSSISTANT"

You must be registered for see links

in reponse to Edo-Madara's previous statement
"THIS IS HIS DOING"

They are talking about the same individual.... TOBI.

Madara had a plan with Tobi, that plan has changed...
Kabuto has weasled his way into the plan...
Neither Tobi nor Edo-Madara are very happy about it.
But they are obviously powerless to do anything about it.

Black Zetsu did not plan something with Edo-Madara before Madara died...
Id even wager that Black Zetsu was created FROM Madara either before he died, or shortly after his death...I'm not claiming this one, just saying I wouldn't be surprised.
There is a good chance that Edo-Madara doesnt even know who Zetsu is...

The fact that Edo-Madara even knows Tobi proves that Tobi is older than he appears.
He is obviously from Madara's time period, or even older.
My solid money is still on Izuna, until Kishi shows us the truth.
Who else could be that old, that knowledgable, that evil, and that powerful?
Who else would CLAIM to be Madara if they arent?

Commonsense!

My friend i will take that bet!!!!logic!

 

[bigmoose21]

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Your sad attempts to cling to the ridiculous theory that I have already disproved are entertaining, but pitiful....
Your posts aren't even making sense...not that they ever did...

I wrote 5 or so paragraphs worth of well thought out information.
Your reply was a couple sentences and made no sense.
Youve shown that you are the LACKofKnowledgeGod.

Kabuto says "I AM HIS ASSSISTANT"

You must be registered for see links

in reponse to Edo-Madara's previous statement
"THIS IS HIS DOING"

They are talking about the same individual.... TOBI.


Commonsense!

to quote you... WRONG WRONG WRONG....

He is not talking about Tobi, he is talking about one of 2 people when refering to him...
1. Orochimaru - maybe he knew him, highly likely considering he apparently knew nagato.
2. Tobirama - he was the inventor of the Impure World Resurection and deffinately alive at this time.

so either Tobi is one of those two and we are both right..... or, you are wrong lol

 

[jholder05]

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tobi is the so6p who is trying to become 10 tails host again...idk all the details but thats what im going to say