[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 560 Discussion and 561 Predictions

[BestYoungNarutoFan]

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You can't just say logic at the end of every single post and hope that that makes all the BS you just posted true.

1.) you have no proof that black zetsu is the 10th tail of the juubi.
none whatsoever, that is your guess, and not a good one, imo.

2.) Izuna is not proven to be dead. The only proof you have that he MIGHT be dead is a picture of a body in a coffin that MIGHT be Izuna from the story Tobi tells Sasuke. We know for a FACT that Tobi lied his ass off during that story to Sasuke. He said the Kyuubi attack on the village was an ACCIDENT.
We know for a fact that he instigated that conflict when he stole the Kyuubi from Kushina and was defeated by Minato. Not only that, lets say that you are pretending to be your dead brother, Madara Uchiha. What better disguise than to claim your own death, rendering you a completely unlikely culprit? Basically the only proof that you have of Izuna's death came from Izuna himself while he was lying to Sasuke...thats not very good.

3.) Black and White Zetsu are a creation of Tobi's that were probably created from the dead bodies of Hashirama and Madara. He most likely used Izanagi to create them and give them life. His powerful and ever obedient servants.
Here, Zetsu is described by the author of the series to be potentially not even a human. He is also labeled as "The Magician's Assistant"

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Zetsu has never shown his own initiative, he is always being led around and told what to do. He is a servant, and its probably as simple as that.

4.) No one has had more motive for these actions, or more ability to pretend to be Madara Uchiha, than Izuna Uchiha.

No one has more right to be upset over Madara's death than his own brother. He sacrificed his eyes so that Madara could become more powerful and bring praise to the Uchiha name...here are some examples.

a.) Madara was betrayed by his own clan, they wouldn't support him and wanted peace, those pussies. (this explains Tobi's grudge against Uchiha, and why Tobi/Izuna participated in the clan's annihilation with Itachi)

b.) Madara was defeated by Senju, who always stood in their way, taking the power and the spotlight away from them. (this explains Tobi's grudge against Senju, and the will of fire, helping us understand his attempt to destroy Konoha using the Kyuubi, until he was stopped by Minato.)

c.) Tobi claimed that Nagato's rinnengan were "my eyes". (this makes sense if we see that Madara had Izuna's eyes, turned them into rinnengan, and then were placed in Nagato, that makes them Izuna's eyes all along)

d.) Tobi intends to cast the most powerful genjutsu ever seen on the entire world, thus making them all his slaves to command. (this makes sense if we try to understand that Izuna has been around since the very first ninja war. he would be most likely to realize that peace is impossible, there will always be fighting. his attempt to control everyone is a last ditch effort from a desperate man to have the power to be able to create the peace.)

e.) Tobi is an eye collector, we have seen his collection and we know that he does eye transplants because he gave Sasuke Itachi's eyes. We also know that he attempted to claim Shisui's eye from Danzo, and was pretty pissed when he found out Danzo destroyed it before his death. (this makes sense from someone like Izuna, who else would become a psycho eye collector and do eye transplants all the time besides some crazy son of a bitch who gave his own eyes to his brother?)

f.) Tobi is a good enough Madara impersonator that he has fooled even people who KNEW the real Madara. Tsuchikage recognizes his edo tensei immediately. The only way you could fool an epic kage like that is to be so similar in traits that even the discerning eye wouldnt notice. (Izuna is the only one who knew Madara enough to pretend to be him, and also to physically resemble him in almost every detail. Height, Weight, Voice, Hair Color, Etc. Izuna was almost a perfect copy of Madara, he is the only one that could pull this ruse off)

g.) Tobi has known intimate details about Madara, Izuna, Hashirama, The Juubi, The So6P, the Sharingan, the Rinnengan, Izanagi and much much more.
(the only person who could know all that is Izuna Uchiha, he had a firsthand account of most of it. I wouldnt be surprised if he even witnessed the battle between Madara and Hashirama.)

h.) Tobi has obviously been claiming to be Madara Uchiha, but for what reason? Who would claim to be a dead guy? Who would do all these things and not want the credit for them? Who would tell a dying woman that he is someone other than he pretends to be? (Only a psychotic villain who had given his sight to his brother who's had been unjustly killed would assume his brother's identity and wreak havoc on the world in revenge. He might even truly believe he is Madara Uchiha, if this impersonation has gone on as long as I think it has.)

i.) Everyone has guessed that Tobi is Madara Uchiha.
Itachi, Minato, Kisame, Kakashi, etc.
(the only person who could fool all these people into believe that Tobi is Madara is Izuna. No one else would have the ability to fool these highly respected ninjas.)

I could probably continue, but whats the point....
If you aren't getting it, you aren't going to...
There is a LOT of new information in this chapter that points to Izuna as well.
Instead of Logic, lets try COMMONSENSE for a while.

And just as a final note, for all you doujutsu monkey's out there.
The sharingan, rinnengan, byakugan crap is all exactly that...CRAP.
The Juubi cannot be controlled by a doujutsu, that is retarded.
The So6P on his dying bed chose the younger son to be his successor.
Why? Because that son knew that LOVE was the strongest power of all.
LOVE is what allows Naruto and Bee to be jinchuurikis. To be able to contain a damn demon inside of them is something that turds like Madara, Izuna, Kabuto, Sasuke will never be able to do. Their cores are hollow and weak.
Naruto will become the new host of the Juubi, just like the So6P.
Only his determination and love for others will give him the power to control a monster of that magnitude. THAT is why the So6P chose the younger son.
THAT is why Naruto is the name of the show, and THAT is why all the stupid ass doujutsu's in the world will never come close to the strength of LOVE.
It can help contain the demons inside of us all. Thanks Kishi, youre the man! <3

So you're saying that in the end, Naruto will be the host of all 9 beasts?

 

[Avenger274]

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Wow.... Madara is really really strong, though, i didnt like the fact that you can just unlock Rinnegan... That is plain rubbish Kishi. Now we are going to have 201020192 threads about Sasuke developing Rinnegan.

Kill me before that happens please.

im wit u bro, but, still. unlocking the rinnegan would take ages, and all sasuke wants to do is destroy naruto, thats it, so i don't think sasuke would go and try to unlock the secrets of the eyes. but am just wandering. wat if, itatchi gave naruto his eyes, allowing naruto to fight the uchiha sasuke without falling for the eyes?

 

[KnowledgeGod]

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You can't just say logic at the end of every single post and hope that that makes all the BS you just posted true.

1.) you have no proof that black zetsu is the 10th tail of the juubi.
none whatsoever, that is your guess, and not a good one, imo.

2.) Izuna is not proven to be dead. The only proof you have that he MIGHT be dead is a picture of a body in a coffin that MIGHT be Izuna from the story Tobi tells Sasuke. We know for a FACT that Tobi lied his ass off during that story to Sasuke. He said the Kyuubi attack on the village was an ACCIDENT.
We know for a fact that he instigated that conflict when he stole the Kyuubi from Kushina and was defeated by Minato. Not only that, lets say that you are pretending to be your dead brother, Madara Uchiha. What better disguise than to claim your own death, rendering you a completely unlikely culprit? Basically the only proof that you have of Izuna's death came from Izuna himself while he was lying to Sasuke...thats not very good.

3.) Black and White Zetsu are a creation of Tobi's that were probably created from the dead bodies of Hashirama and Madara. He most likely used Izanagi to create them and give them life. His powerful and ever obedient servants.
Here, Zetsu is described by the author of the series to be potentially not even a human. He is also labeled as "The Magician's Assistant"

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Zetsu has never shown his own initiative, he is always being led around and told what to do. He is a servant, and its probably as simple as that.

4.) No one has had more motive for these actions, or more ability to pretend to be Madara Uchiha, than Izuna Uchiha.

No one has more right to be upset over Madara's death than his own brother. He sacrificed his eyes so that Madara could become more powerful and bring praise to the Uchiha name...here are some examples.

a.) Madara was betrayed by his own clan, they wouldn't support him and wanted peace, those pussies. (this explains Tobi's grudge against Uchiha, and why Tobi/Izuna participated in the clan's annihilation with Itachi)

b.) Madara was defeated by Senju, who always stood in their way, taking the power and the spotlight away from them. (this explains Tobi's grudge against Senju, and the will of fire, helping us understand his attempt to destroy Konoha using the Kyuubi, until he was stopped by Minato.)

c.) Tobi claimed that Nagato's rinnengan were "my eyes". (this makes sense if we see that Madara had Izuna's eyes, turned them into rinnengan, and then were placed in Nagato, that makes them Izuna's eyes all along)

d.) Tobi intends to cast the most powerful genjutsu ever seen on the entire world, thus making them all his slaves to command. (this makes sense if we try to understand that Izuna has been around since the very first ninja war. he would be most likely to realize that peace is impossible, there will always be fighting. his attempt to control everyone is a last ditch effort from a desperate man to have the power to be able to create the peace.)

e.) Tobi is an eye collector, we have seen his collection and we know that he does eye transplants because he gave Sasuke Itachi's eyes. We also know that he attempted to claim Shisui's eye from Danzo, and was pretty pissed when he found out Danzo destroyed it before his death. (this makes sense from someone like Izuna, who else would become a psycho eye collector and do eye transplants all the time besides some crazy son of a bitch who gave his own eyes to his brother?)

f.) Tobi is a good enough Madara impersonator that he has fooled even people who KNEW the real Madara. Tsuchikage recognizes his edo tensei immediately. The only way you could fool an epic kage like that is to be so similar in traits that even the discerning eye wouldnt notice. (Izuna is the only one who knew Madara enough to pretend to be him, and also to physically resemble him in almost every detail. Height, Weight, Voice, Hair Color, Etc. Izuna was almost a perfect copy of Madara, he is the only one that could pull this ruse off)

g.) Tobi has known intimate details about Madara, Izuna, Hashirama, The Juubi, The So6P, the Sharingan, the Rinnengan, Izanagi and much much more.
(the only person who could know all that is Izuna Uchiha, he had a firsthand account of most of it. I wouldnt be surprised if he even witnessed the battle between Madara and Hashirama.)

h.) Tobi has obviously been claiming to be Madara Uchiha, but for what reason? Who would claim to be a dead guy? Who would do all these things and not want the credit for them? Who would tell a dying woman that he is someone other than he pretends to be? (Only a psychotic villain who had given his sight to his brother who's had been unjustly killed would assume his brother's identity and wreak havoc on the world in revenge. He might even truly believe he is Madara Uchiha, if this impersonation has gone on as long as I think it has.)

i.) Everyone has guessed that Tobi is Madara Uchiha.
Itachi, Minato, Kisame, Kakashi, etc.
(the only person who could fool all these people into believe that Tobi is Madara is Izuna. No one else would have the ability to fool these highly respected ninjas.)

I could probably continue, but whats the point....
If you aren't getting it, you aren't going to...
There is a LOT of new information in this chapter that points to Izuna as well.
Instead of Logic, lets try COMMONSENSE for a while.

And just as a final note, for all you doujutsu monkey's out there.
The sharingan, rinnengan, byakugan crap is all exactly that...CRAP.
The Juubi cannot be controlled by a doujutsu, that is retarded.
The So6P on his dying bed chose the younger son to be his successor.
Why? Because that son knew that LOVE was the strongest power of all.
LOVE is what allows Naruto and Bee to be jinchuurikis. To be able to contain a damn demon inside of them is something that turds like Madara, Izuna, Kabuto, Sasuke will never be able to do. Their cores are hollow and weak.
Naruto will become the new host of the Juubi, just like the So6P.
Only his determination and love for others will give him the power to control a monster of that magnitude. THAT is why the So6P chose the younger son.
THAT is why Naruto is the name of the show, and THAT is why all the stupid ass doujutsu's in the world will never come close to the strength of LOVE.
It can help contain the demons inside of us all. Thanks Kishi, youre the man! <3

You think like 99.8% of the people on the post.....small, and simple....logic! is something that i do....Im not knocking your predictions or theories at all, your entitled to it....What im saying is im on a totally diffrent level with this...This is my nindo! i do this my friend.....Quote me on my posts when it happen or dont...its cool.....i dont expect to be 100, 90, 80, 70, or 60% correct as long as i 50% right...Im good, because at the end of the day im not Kishimoto... im just a fan and analyzer of his work.....logic!

 

[Downforwardx]

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Edo tensi Madara is still continuing with the plan....Black Zestu is still using him he dont even realize it fully yet..

Kabuto is also using him Edo tensi Madara is under his control

What is Black Zestu using Edo tensi Madara for? He needed Madara to bring the Body of the Juubi back to earth from the moon...but plans changed when Nagato died. Black Zestu is not actually using him because he dont need him, but the twist to this is Edo tensi Madara dosent know hes been replaced. So hes still going with the plan...so hes been used

So this is what Tobi/Madara did he modified his body to a SO6P's form... incorperating both a Sharingan and Rinnegan....He added Six bodyguards to protect him while he proceed with the plan of bringing the body of the Juubi back to earth from the moon.... He's not even aware that Kabuto resurrected Madara....

This means Kabuto has his own plan and hes trying to double cross Tobi/Madara.....logic!

Edo madara doesn't have control of his body so how is he still going threw with the plan, w/e edo-madara is doing is part of kabutos plan.

And didn't kabuto show tobi the coffin of madara. Forget the chapter but that was the "reason" why tobi agreed to work with him. ( was the chapter when kabuto was first showing off the edo's that he had. they didnt show who it actually was to create suspense)

 

[Warlock Tigerwolf]

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Omningan: As usual, you provide a rather verbose explanation of your theories. As such I won't bother quoting it in m reply. So forgive me if you have to go back and re-reference your own work.

on point 2. "Izuna is never proven dead" While it may not be manga cannon, Narutopedia does state that Izuna died in battle, and I do vaugely recall Masashi being quoted as saying that Izuna is definitely dead.

Beyond that I find all of your arguments quite convincing. Still, my gut feelings on the subject refuse to agree with your assessment. Since so far my gut has been right about what isn't true, but not led me to what is true, I think I'll stick with it for now. Not very scientific or logical, and yet very much so I suppose.

My wild shot in the dark on the subject of Tobi's Identity is as follows:

Commonality of 3s:
In the narutoverse it seems everything likes to come in threes. There are three man cells, Three types of jutsu, and three generations of the same struggle.
2 of the players were Hashirama Senju (Naruto/Obito/Jiraya) Madara Uchicha (Orochimaru/Sasuke/kakashi) Tobi must be the 3rd of that trinity the (Tsunade/Sakura/Rin) to the equation. Though perhaps Minato's students don't completely fit in the logic? As I said a wild shot in the dark, it certainly fits all known themes of the manga, and Masashi's writing style, still that's really about all the proof I have and none of it is more than circumstantial at best.

 

[BestYoungNarutoFan]

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You think like 99.8% of the people on the post.....small, and simple....logic! is something that i do....Im not knocking your predictions or theories at all, your entitled to it....What im saying is im on a totally diffrent level with this...This is my nindo! i do this my friend.....Quote me on my posts when it happen or dont...its cool.....i dont expect to be 100, 90, 80, 70, or 60% correct as long as i 50% right...Im good, because at the end of the day im not Kishimoto... im just a fan and analyzer of his work.....logic!

Good way to put it.

 

[Zodd the Immortal]

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You think like 99.8% of the people on the post.....small, and simple....logic! is something that i do....Im not knocking your predictions or theories at all, your entitled to it....What im saying is im on a totally diffrent level with this...This is my nindo! i do this my friend.....Quote me on my posts when it happen or dont...its cool.....i dont expect to be 100, 90, 80, 70, or 60% correct as long as i 50% right...Im good, because at the end of the day im not Kishimoto... im just a fan and analyzer of his work.....logic!

Okay, I've read so many of your posts KnowledgeGod...and you are literally the oxymoron of your name. You claim great knowledge in this show yet you have never shown proof or your arguments other than your own words, you have only spout out your silly ideas and label it as "logic" as if we're to buy your stamp of idiocy. Where are the links and chapter posts to prove your points?

Quite frankly you are dumb as hell and have no logic at all. You think you are on some "other level" with an understanding of this show, yet you've shown no one that understanding. Have you seen one person quote you as correct or even support your argument intelligibly? Everyone is against you. Also while Omningan broke this down to you in the most intelligent of manors and made you look stupid....YOU STILL, can not see the truth.

You my friend are the type of fan that ruins a series like this because you think there is some bigger depth that is beyond everyone else's understanding....when the truth is, people like yourself who think they know everything talk so much that they can't listen to anything. So how could you be so informed if all you do is talk?......LOGIC dictates that you can't.

You call yourself the "knowledgegod"....that means you think you've got it right and no one else does...That in itself makes you the opposite of what you claim. Enjoy that dish of logic...hope it was lukewarm

 

[KnowledgeGod]

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Edo madara doesn't have control of his body so how is he still going threw with the plan, w/e edo-madara is doing is part of kabutos plan.

And didn't kabuto show tobi the coffin of madara. Forget the chapter but that was the "reason" why tobi agreed to work with him. ( was the chapter when kabuto was first showing off the edo's that he had. they didnt show who it actually was to create suspense)

Kabuto is not controling Edo tensi Madara at the moment... he just wanted to see his level of power in action on the battlefield...

Kabuto did show Tobi/Madara the coffin with Madara in it....for protection, and bargaining reasons....

But im not sure if Tobi/Madara knows Edo tensi Madara is on the battlefield...logic!

 

[jaywan1991]

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I dont know about you guys but I check back here a lot just to see if for some reason unknown to man, the next chapter gets posted early...

 

[KnowledgeGod]

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Okay, I've read so many of your posts KnowledgeGod...and you are literally the oxymoron of your name. You claim great knowledge in this show yet you have never shown proof or your arguments other than your own words, you have only spout out your silly ideas and label it as "logic" as if we're to buy your stamp of idiocy. Where are the links and chapter posts to prove your points?

Quite frankly you are dumb as hell and have no logic at all. You think you are on some "other level" with an understanding of this show, yet you've shown no one that understanding. Have you seen one person quote you as correct or even support your argument intelligibly? Everyone is against you. Also while Omningan broke this down to you in the most intelligent of manors and made you look stupid....YOU STILL, can not see the truth.

You my friend are the type of fan that ruins a series like this because you think there is some bigger depth that is beyond everyone else's understanding....when the truth is, people like yourself who think they know everything talk so much that they can't listen to anything. So how could you be so informed if all you do is talk?......LOGIC dictates that you can't.

You call yourself the "knowledgegod"....that means you think you've got it right and no one else does...That in itself makes you the opposite of what you claim. Enjoy that dish of logic...hope it was lukewarm

KnowledgeGod = Seek god and you will have an understanding of everything...That is what the name stands for.....i'm not hear to befriend anybody if it happens cool...but dont judge a person if you dont know them.. im just posting my theories and predictions like everyone else on here. i could add pics and break it down on what i think this or that means but i choose not to because at the end of the day its still my perception... logic!<<< is like a signature of mine, its something i do... You really gave me a great laugh when you said people like you ruins a series lol

 

[BestYoungNarutoFan]

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There is no need to fight, seriously. Everyone on Narutobase.Net is equal in power. Why not combine some theories together? lol

 

[BestYoungNarutoFan]

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Although i think the Naruto anime should be up to date with the manga. It's just ridiculously slow & the anime shows more visual details.

 

[r24alel]

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Hey guys check it out I'm knowledgegod and zodd the immortal I use fancy words to try and make myself look smarter but I don't know how to use them in the right context lol no idea what's going on but your a hypocrite zodd,just sayin

 

[r24alel]

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True that naruto fan I hate fillers

 

[Decyder]

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more to the point how did the 3rd beat hashirama that beat that super overpowered madara whilst also fighting tobirama haha. hmm I dont know how i feel about the rinnegan thing ---> o well at least the sharigan is better than rinnegan threads are now dead haha WOO HOO.

Gaara was awesome again, why didnt oonoko do that before to his sand. Also madaras rock is maaaaaaaaaaaasive someone has to die from it

could a byukugan user get good enough to acquire a sharigan, that would be weirder than a sharigan turning into a rinnegan ??

I think I read somewhere that the sharigan was developed from the byukugan. Not sure where though.

 

[BestYoungNarutoFan]

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I think I read somewhere that the sharigan was developed from the byukugan. Not sure where though.

You probably read it from last chapter's thread. (Ch. 559)

 

[huanxiang]

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You leave me nothing else to choose, but i still love it

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[Mystikk]

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DOES ANYONE REALIZE NARUTO IS RUNNING AROUND IN SAGE MODE.. AND HE IS SOMEWHERE ELSE CURRENTLY IN FOXMODE!!! Thats beast.

 

[Naruto Power]

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everyone noticed that.

the back and forth post are the main reason i skim them.

LIke many post before me I want to see naruto get kicked around to the last one and them pull out his somewhat new power. only seen never used. sage 9 tails. the power of ying and yang. I think with it he will have his own sansano but it will be the sage mode around him. picture naruto just sitting there and sasuke going off move after move and nothing. then he opens his eyes and they like my profile pic and sasuke backs up, naruto stand up. ultimate show down about to start

 

[sVPunisher]

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QUESTION! This predates SHIPPUDEN! When Orichimaru first attacked hidden leaf and summoned the 1 and 2 hokage, he went to summon a 3 but sarutobi wouldn't let him. NOW! if minato is sealed and can't be resurrected has orichimaru had madara all along?!?!?