[Discussion] Hashirama Senju PART 3

[Dean-Winchester]

we are about to see Madara Uchiha and his EMS in action
Just notcing how he opened that coffin was insane and i was like ohhh shitt
and i think it was hinted he was a master of time and space techs from minato
and he had super strength to just hoping he shows an awesome fight
but to get to my point of this thread i made this thread to see how strong was the 1st and the one we saw during the invasion arc was only 10% of his power



I think Tsunade got her Raw strenght from her grandpa

now since Yamato is 50 % or 25% Hashiramas power

and Zetsu (black zetsu is a mystery given MEi a run for her money ) m another 25 %

and Tsunade in prime would be another 25 or 10 percent
i dont know but lets look @ the all the DATA

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Hashirama Senju was considered by both Madara Uchiha and several Konoha Jōnin as the most powerful ninja of his time. He was even said by the ANBU to be the ultimate shinobi. He was greatly respected by every shinobi during his life, such that Madara claimed Hashirama was the one person whom he respected the most as well as detested. He knew how to perform a great number of techniques and was otherwise knowledgeable of those he could not, as indicated by creating the Scroll of Seals and his familiarity with Summoning: Impure World Resurrection. In the manga he uses a genjutsu against Hiruzen that covers the area in darkness. However, in the anime, it was shown that his brother Tobirama Senju used this genjutsu instead. During his battle with Madara, Hashirama is seen with a variety of weapons that he summoned from a large scroll.
His prowess and abilities were so great that he was able to not only fight on equal footing with Madara despite the power of his Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan and having the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox at his side, but also survive the battle and gain victory in the end. The injuries which he caused to Madara were so great that even decades later he claimed that they still affect him tremendously, leaving his as a shell of his former self

YAMATO

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Earth Release: Earth Flow Divide
Earth Release: Earth Flow Spears (Anime only)
Earth Release: Earth-Style Rampart
Earth Release: Hidden Among Rocks Technique
Earth Release: Tunneling Technique
Hokage-Style Sixty-Year-Old Technique — Kakuan Entering Society with Bliss-Bringing Hands
Necklace Sealing Technique
Typhoon Water Vortex Technique
Water Release: Tearing Torrent
Water Release: Water Bowl (Anime only)
Water Release: Waterfall Basin Technique
Wood Clone Technique
Wood Release Secret Technique: Nativity of a World of Trees
Wood Release: Four-Pillar House Technique
Wood Release: Four-Pillar Prison Technique
Wood Release: Great Forest Technique
Wood Release: Serial Pillar Houses Technique
Wood Release: Smothering Binding Technique (Manga only)
Wood Release: Stocks (Manga only)
Wood Release: Transformation (Anime only)
Wood Release: Tree Bind Flourishing Burial (Anime only)
Wood Release: Wood Locking Wall
Wood Release: Wood Spikes Ring (Manga only)
Wood Release: World of Trees Wall (Anime only)

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haring the same DNA as the First Hokage, Yamato possesses the First's signature Wood Release kekkei genkai. This kekkei genkai allows him to combine Earth Release in his right hand and Water Release in his left hand[8] to create trees. These trees can be grown not only from the earth and pre-existing flora, but from his own body as well, transforming the actual cells into a different form of life. He has also proven to be skilled with individual Water and Earth Release techniques, as seen when he used them in combination to rapidly create a giant waterfall for Naruto's training, by first raising up the ground and then creating water to fall down from it.
Wood Release makes up for an excellent defence and a strong offence, as well as a superb mean of capturing or restraining opponents, allowing Yamato to surround himself with extremely durable wood domes, which can also be used to trap foes within, capable of enduring most attacks, and to rapidly grow sharp trees from his arms which can be used to trap or impale enemies.


Yamato creating a wood clone.
In addition to the numerous, simple binding techniques which exploit the wood tendrils produced by his own body, Yamato has demonstrated multiple unique uses of Wood Release. One such example is his special Transformation Technique known as Wood Release: Transformation, in which Yamato covers his entire body with a wood imitation rather than using an illusion to mask his appearance. Perhaps his most often used technique is the Wood Clone Technique, a clone of him made with wood generated from his body. Because they share the same cells, Yamato is able to track its location, communicate with it at long distances, and absorb any information it has gathered by laying his hand on it. Yamato can also use a seed form variant to this technique that operates in the same way: he is able to track anyone that he plants the seeds on by its response to his chakra.
A less battle-oriented use of his kekkei genkai is Yamato's ability to generate wooden structures almost instantly, which he makes use of for his Wood Release: Four-Pillar Prison Technique, a large cage used to hold prisoners and intimidate unruly subordinates,[9] and the Wood Release: Four-Pillar House Technique, a large house that can be erected at a moment's notice instead of setting up a camp.[10]

However, as the technique was not originally his, Yamato has realised that he cannot use the Wood Release techniques to its full potential, resulting in his full power paling in comparison to that of Hashirama Senju's. Nonetheless, he has enough skill and experience in Wood Release to make it the main element of his fighting style, gaining fame as a capable user of it.

Tailed Beast Suppression Edit

Yamato suppressing the four-tailed Naruto.
Using the First Hokage's special necklace to amplify his powers, which is broken when Naruto turns into the six-tailed fox, Yamato can suppress the power of a tailed beast. It is because of this legendary ability that Hashirama Senju was made Hokage in the first place, and it was greatly coveted by Orochimaru. Although the First Hokage could suppress entire tailed beasts, Yamato has admitted to not being as strong as the original, so it is unknown what the limits of his suppression ability are. However, he was able to suppress Naruto's four-tailed form in seconds.
He also added a seal to the Hokage's necklace that would activate and reveal a number on his palm corresponding to the tails Naruto has active when Naruto called upon too much of the Nine-Tails' chakra, attempting to restrain him and alerting Yamato to what was happening. With the destruction of the necklace, however, Yamato implied that he could no longer help suppress tailed beasts.[11] However, this might not be fully true, as he went with Naruto into the Falls of Truth for taming the Nine-Tails, and when Naruto was losing control, Yamato tried to suppress it once again.[12]

Yamato can also use his abilities to suppress the chakra of regular people, as seen when he uses his wood release to suppress Kisame's chakra in order to subdue him after he's capture

Zetsu

Zetsu as a whole has yet to be seen in battle. The technique he has been shown using the most is his Mayfly technique, with which he merges with the ground to quickly travel to a new location, though he isn't as fast as Madara's own space–time travelling. This technique makes it ideal for Zetsu's function as a spy, as it erases his presence as well, and is an ability both his halves can use. Zetsu can also use it to extend roots underground through which he can communicate with his other half should they be separated. It has also been noted that Zetsu has the ability to "record" the things he sees, as noted when he tells Madara Uchiha that he had recorded the whole battle between Sasuke and Itachi, and between Kisame and Killer B. It is unknown how he is able to show these "recordings". He is also a very powerful sensor, able to sense Naruto Uzumaki and Killer B leaving the Island Turtle.
Zetsu has also shown the ability to split in two, so that his two personalities can act independently. Madara refers to the White Zetsu as not being a "front line" fighter, and White Zetsu has mainly been seen using support abilities. The White side is able to use a time-delayed Spore Technique to grow into a mushy mass around several individuals at once, thereby sucking their chakra out, and can even use it to replenish another persons' chakra. Furthermore, White Zetsu has shown the ability to create multiple copies of himself as well as a special clone which can simulate the appearance anyone Zetsu has ever touched right down to their chakra, stating it was a mix of the original person's chakra and the Transformation Technique. These clones however, are much weaker than the original, and therefore mostly useful as decoys. Due to being created from Hashirama Senju's cells, Zetsu, as well as the clones in the White Zetsu Army can use Wood Release albeit on a weak scale

his orgin:

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Sometime after Hashirama's death, Orochimaru experimented with Hashirama's DNA. Desiring Hashirama's unique abilities, Orochimaru exhumed the Hokage's body and infused sixty child test subjects with his DNA, hoping that one would prove able to use Wood Release. Only Yamato survived the process. Danzō Shimura's right arm had also been infused with Hashirama's DNA through a similar experiment with Orochimaru, in the hopes of controlling the powers of the Nine-Tails, as well as to increase his physical energy to maintain the ten Sharingan embedded on his right arm as well as use the technique Kotoamatsukami within a relatively short span of time compared to the decade it would've taken on its own.[6]
Also, Madara Uchiha had taken Hashirama's cells in their final battle and was somehow able to combine Hashirama's harvest, and use them to extend his own life. With some of the cells taken from Hashirama, Madara had created the White Zetsu, though his Wood Release is not as powerful. Madara also had the cells 'planted' at his headquarters. From it grew a massive, mindless flowering tree that partially takes the appearance of Hashirama. It also supports the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path, and, having gradually been fed amounts of the tailed beasts chakra, among its roots, seems to have helped produce a legion of 100,000 White Zetsu clones for Madara's army against the Allied Shinobi Forces' numbers of about 80,000.[7]

Part of the legacy that Hashirama has also left behind is known as the Will of Fire, a belief held by all the members of Konohagakure. Madara frequently mentions or remembers Hashirama, his musing over his sworn enemy tends to range from both utter contempt to a begrudging respect and admiration. Madara does admit that Hashirama was the only person whom he respected of the Senju clan. Madara also claims that Naruto has inherited Hashirama's Will of Fire while Sasuke Uchiha has inherited the hatred of his clan.

Tsunade 25% -15%

tsunade's trademark ability is her incredible raw strength with which she is able to perform such feats as launching her targets several metres with a mere finger flick or create fissures with a single finger jab at the ground.[8] An opponent struck by her attacks could suffer damage ranging from broken bones, ruptured organs, or even death, as Jiraiya learned for his perverted actions in his youth. While a medical-nin normally tries to avoid direct battle, Tsunade’s close-range combat skills have been considered unsurpassed, which she uses mainly to intimidate her opponents from approaching her.
As a field medical-nin, Tsunade is highly skilled in the art of evasion. In battle, she has shown great ingenuity, able to quickly pick up on her opponent's fighting style and battle pattern to better avoid damage and plan her attacks around that. These traits are to keep herself alive in battle so she may heal her team-mates; things she drilled into Sakura while training her.[9] While not her most prominent trait, she is quite fast and equally fierce in battle, having displayed high levels of quickness to the point that her opponents find her an overwhelming adversary. She was able to incapacitate Shizune with a quick strike before she could react,[10] use the Body Pathway Derangement technique on Kabuto when he thought she was incapacitated, block Orochimaru from attacking an unconscious Naruto even though she was severely wounded, and eeven intercept Manda mid-bite while lifting Gamabunta's sword.

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  Zetsu : merging with the Earth " i am the land its self" can prob make spikes come from the earth like we have seen from Kimmimaro
  
  Farfetched if anyone he touches he can use there techniques like White zetsu
  
  Yamato : Water element
  
  Earth element
  Wood Element
  
  Tsunade RAw strenght like superman without flight is who the 1st is
  
  
  

This thread will be updated later hopefully after a sick flashback fight between both him and Madara
or base on how strong MAdara is in the next manga

 

[JMAN]

"and i think it was hinted he was a master of time and space techs from minato" , that was about tobi not madara, Minato at that moment was also fooled by tobi and thought he was Madara, So no indications that Madara also has these space techs etc ...

 

[s0ulja]

maybe you should publish a book? :|
fact remains..we still know very little about hashirama senju

 

[Scorps]

Hum...i get your point. If Madara with the EMS was so badass, what is to be said from Hashirama right?

However, Tsunades super strength comes from her chakra control and her own abilities and not here blood. Why can i say that? She taught them to sakura. You can't teach blood abilities. If it was a characteristic from her clan she would have never been able to pass it to her student.

As for Yamato, yes, he said his powers were just a mere fraction of what hashirama could do. But i think mainly he was talking about chakra reserve. We've seen hum use several techniques and getting exhausted quite quickly in comparison to hashirama who grew a giant forest on top of that building and didn't even break a sweat.

Zetsu...well...we still don't know exactly what zetsu is. I have my own theories but meh... Sufice to say that i don't think Hashirama's abilities had anything to do with the ones we are seeing from Zetsu.

 

[lubricati0n]

Nice theory.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

btw about the spikes near kimimaru it was his jutsu if u dont know that surely u dont watch when kimimaro fighting with garaa

 

[Dean-Winchester]

btw about the spikes near kimimaru it was his jutsu if u dont know that surely u dont watch when kimimaro fighting with garaa

saying the 1st could do that with the earth and wood relase i am well aware that kimmaros technique/kekkai genkai is his own

 

[Dean-Winchester]

Hum...i get your point. If Madara with the EMS was so badass, what is to be said from Hashirama right?

However, Tsunades super strength comes from her chakra control and her own abilities and not here blood. Why can i say that? She taught them to sakura. You can't teach blood abilities. If it was a characteristic from her clan she would have never been able to pass it to her student.

As for Yamato, yes, he said his powers were just a mere fraction of what hashirama could do. But i think mainly he was talking about chakra reserve. We've seen hum use several techniques and getting exhausted quite quickly in comparison to hashirama who grew a giant forest on top of that building and didn't even break a sweat.

Zetsu...well...we still don't know exactly what zetsu is. I have my own theories but meh... Sufice to say that i don't think Hashirama's abilities had anything to do with the ones we are seeing from Zetsu.

for zetsu it is FArFetched but maybe he can maybe he could merge
with the ground and travel fast

as for tsunade super strength going back to percentages


senjus power comes from senju clan ancestor & Sage of Sixth paths

1st is sage of sixth paths
his raw strength exceeds everything

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The Sage was revered as the man to first understand the very nature of chakra itself. This wisdom, combined with his kekkei genkai, the Rinnegan, allowed the Sage to create the first modern ninjutsu. With such powers at his disposal, the Sage obtained a great following, as men and women from across the world strove to learn from his teachings. As the Sage's disciples grew continuously greater in number, it led to the creation of ninja clans, and later, ninja villages. It is impossible to overestimate the Sage's effect on the course of the ninja world's development. As the first true ninja, he created the ninja world, revolutionised it, and left it forever changed.
The Sage was shown carrying two objects. One was what appeared to be a large katana in his hand, whilst the other was a shakujō, a Buddhist ringed staff which is meant to be used in prayer, but can also be effectively employed as a weapon.

Rinnegan Edit
Main article: Rinnegan
The Sage was said to have been the only shinobi to have fully mastered the Rinnegan, allowing him to manipulate all six types of nature chakra. He is revered as one of the most legendary figures in the Naruto universe, and is most likely the strongest ninja that ever existed. He was so powerful, that he created the moon using Chibaku Tensei on his deathbed. Even Nagato stated that his power paled in comparison to that of the Sage's. The Sage was also said to have possessed all the abilities of the Six Paths of Pain.[7]
Jinchūriki Edit
The Sage developed the first technique capable of sealing a tailed beast inside a human body, making himself the very first jinchūriki in history. Having the Ten-Tails' great power contained within him, the Sage developed immeasurable power and chakra that far surpassed all of his peers. Even on his deathbed, the Sage was able to employ his Chibaku Tensei technique on a massive scale and use that chakra to create the moon and seal the body of the Ten-Tails within it, a clear testament to his incredible power.
Yin and Yang Chakra Edit
By using the Yin chakra, that comes from the spiritual energy, and the Yang chakra, that comes from the physical energy, he had the ability to create form from nothingness with a mere thought and then bring it to life. The Sage created the nine tailed beasts from the Ten-Tails' chakra by using this ability.[2]
Treasured Tools Edit
The Sage wielded unique tools which became known as the Treasured Tools of the Sage of the Six Paths, each of which possess a unique and powerful ability, but all of which require a vast reservoir of chakra, which would quickly kill any normal human, in order to be used. Being the jinchūriki of the Ten-Tails, this posed no problem at all for the Sage. The five treasures are: the Bashōsen, Benihisago, Kōkinjō, Shichiseiken, and the Kohaku no Jōhei. By combining the Benihisago, Kōkinjō, and Shichiseiken, the Sage (or any user) can capture the word soul of his victims, and then draw them into the gourd and seal them away for good. The Bashōsen can generate any of the five basic elements. The five treasures eventually fell into the possession of Kumogakure, and then into the hands of the Gold and Silver Brothers, who made use of the treasures in their criminal activities.[8] Kumo however, managed to retrieve the pot, which has the power to seal away anything

The senju clan ancestor

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He inherited the Sage's "body", willpower and physical energy and believed that love was the key to peace. When the Sage was on his deathbed, he selected the younger brother to carry on his dreams of peace for the ninja world. The older brother, believing he should have been chosen, fought him to try and claim what he felt he deserved. The descendants of the elder brother, who would become the Uchiha clan, would continue this fight with the younger brother's descendants, who would become the Senju clan

Senju were masters in all skills, from ninjutsu, to taijutsu, to genjutsu. Because of this, they were feared as "the clan with a thousand skills" (「千の手を持つ一族r」, "sen no te o motsu ichizoku"), which gave them their name Senju (千手, "a thousand skills", "a thousand hands")

since senju clan was known for there the thosuand skill
and the 1st had that Scroll of seals with kinjutsu

and another scroll with Weapons and Swords most fans thought where the seven swords his power was greatly underestimated still though he died from opening all the 8 gates

and tsunades raw strength is her own and she just adds chakra control to make it stronger but yeah the whole 1st hokage having super strength bit is a speculation right now
BUT

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i would hate to be punched by madara but i know some ppl will be like who said it was a punch

 

[Dean-Winchester]

"and i think it was hinted he was a master of time and space techs from minato" , that was about tobi not madara, Minato at that moment was also fooled by tobi and thought he was Madara, So no indications that Madara also has these space techs etc ...

only said that because of this

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[Sarutobi Sasuke]

Hum...i get your point. If Madara with the EMS was so badass, what is to be said from Hashirama right?

However, Tsunades super strength comes from her chakra control and her own abilities and not here blood. Why can i say that? She taught them to sakura. You can't teach blood abilities. If it was a characteristic from her clan she would have never been able to pass it to her student.

I ran out of patience while looking for this in the manga. So I'm resorting to Narutopedia.

Quoted from Narutopedia ... By building up and releasing her chakra with precise timing, Sakura could easily decimate any obstacle and turn it to rubble... ...Through repeated use, Sakura no longer needs to put any conscious effort into using this strength, and so can use it instantly....However, while Sakura's strength derives from this technique, Tsunade has been noted to possess incredible raw strength much greater than this ability, and is enhanced even further to monstrous levels when using it...

Basically it means that unlike Sakura, Tsunade has Raw strenth + Strenth from Chakra control . And that Tsunade's raw strenth is much greater than her Strenth gained from Chakra control. Which also implies that Dean-Winchester could be right about Tsunade's strength being genetic(i.e. her raw strength).

As for Yamato, yes, he said his powers were just a mere fraction of what hashirama could do. But i think mainly he was talking about chakra reserve. We've seen hum use several techniques and getting exhausted quite quickly in comparison to hashirama who grew a giant forest on top of that building and didn't even break a sweat.

I think your right.

But:
-> Hashirama was a Senju.
-> Which means he inherited the Sage's Physical energy(Yang chakra).
-> And Yang chakra seems to augment the Wood release as we've already seen when Naruto's Kyuubi mode cloak(which happens to be made up of Yang chakra) came into contact with Yamato's Wood jutsu.
-> Plus, some ANBU guy said that Hashirama could convert his chakra into a source of life.
-> Which probably means he could convert his chakra to Yang chakra and thus augmented his wood release by "breathing more life into it".
-> Which would explain why Hashirama's Mokuton generally seems a lot more "full of life" than Yamato's "dead planks"
-> Which could also be another reason why Yamato considers his Mokuton to be inferior to Hashirama's.

Zetsu...well...we still don't know exactly what zetsu is. I have my own theories but meh... Sufice to say that i don't think Hashirama's abilities had anything to do with the ones we are seeing from Zetsu.

I think I would have rather have used the word much instead of anything.

 

[JMAN]

only said that because of this

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yeah well , here minato thinks tobi is madara . Tobi is the best space tech user( whoever tobi is) , not madara ( not said till now) .

 

[Dean-Winchester]

yeah well , here minato thinks tobi is madara . Tobi is the best space tech user( whoever tobi is) , not madara ( not said till now) .

meh u are right

 

[s0ulja]

I ran out of patience while looking for this in the manga. So I'm resorting to Narutopedia.
Basically it means that unlike Sakura, Tsunade has Raw strenth + Strenth from Chakra control . And that Tsunade's raw strenth is much greater than her Strenth gained from Chakra control. Which also implies that Dean-Winchester could be right about Tsunade's strength being genetic(i.e. her raw strength).

I think your right.

But:
-> Hashirama was a Senju.
-> Which means he inherited the Sage's Physical energy(Yang chakra).
-> And Yang chakra seems to augment the Wood release as we've already seen when Naruto's Kyuubi mode cloak(which happens to be made up of Yang chakra) came into contact with Yamato's Wood jutsu.
-> Plus, some ANBU guy said that Hashirama could convert his chakra into a source of life.
-> Which probably means he could convert his chakra to Yang chakra and thus augmented his wood release by "breathing more life into it".
-> Which would explain why Hashirama's Mokuton generally seems a lot more "full of life" than Yamato's "dead planks"
-> Which could also be another reason why Yamato considers his Mokuton to be inferior to Hashirama's.


I think I would have rather have used the word much instead of anything.

i think after the timeskip when sakura was having that fight jiraiya said something about tsunade teaching her technique to focus chakra in one area to achieve that immense strength...i don't recall of any comparison to being a senju...
why she dusn take the senju name is stil a mystery to me

 

[Dean-Winchester]

LIKE I Said How STRONG WAS HASHIRAMA SENJU

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He awakened rinnegan shortly before his death sooo dont get it mixed up

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probally the 1st did not face that kinda power but damn

all i am saying is some kinjutsu better start up or else ....