[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 559 Discussion and 560 Predictions
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5/5 So nice to see such a twist of fate for Naruto who now has to face off against a full fledged Zombi Madara - much like his great, great, etc; Grandfather did.
Kishimoto is vary good at using common themes from, Japanese made, Ninja related sources to create his manga - I for one can see the movie 'Shinobi no Mono' (1962) in this Chapter.
In a sense, Tobi is the the old man who plays the leader of both clans in 'Shinobi no Mono' all the while hiding who he really is behind both guile (saying he's Madara) and disguise (the orange mask). Yet, if this is true then we may never know who he really is when things are all said and done.
Despite that we can definitely see who he isn't:
Madara - Obviously, Madara was just resurrected via the Impure-World Jutsu.
Obito - Obito is dead.
Zetsu/Madara Hybrid - Let's not forget who modified who here.
Izuna - He never possessed the Rinnegan.
Who ever Tobi really is we know he at one time held the Rinnegan and lost it, you can speculate as to why. This leads me to think that he is A Nagato - that's right, Nagato may in fact be a title that the holder of the Rinnegan receives. Given his taste in pawns it sort of makes sense that if Tobi was a Nagato thenhe would have used Madara as one of his own 'six paths of pain' after Madara died.
Thus Madara (real) knows about Nagato (Tobi) and the resurrection Jutsu of what we know from the 'six paths of pain'.
Tobi fears Madara not just because of his strength but mostly because of his knowledge of Tobi himself. For indeed, if Madara was controlled by Tobi at one time then that would mean he knows Tobi's weaknesses and perhaps even motivations. And lets not forget Tobi's true identity - perhaps the greatest piece of all - Madara would certainly know that too.
I could be wrong ... but nothing else seems to make much more sense than that - other than this: maybe Tobi is the other son the the So6P ... but that's a long shot in my mind.
Kishimoto is vary good at using common themes from, Japanese made, Ninja related sources to create his manga - I for one can see the movie 'Shinobi no Mono' (1962) in this Chapter.
In a sense, Tobi is the the old man who plays the leader of both clans in 'Shinobi no Mono' all the while hiding who he really is behind both guile (saying he's Madara) and disguise (the orange mask). Yet, if this is true then we may never know who he really is when things are all said and done.
Despite that we can definitely see who he isn't:
Madara - Obviously, Madara was just resurrected via the Impure-World Jutsu.
Obito - Obito is dead.
Zetsu/Madara Hybrid - Let's not forget who modified who here.
Izuna - He never possessed the Rinnegan.
Who ever Tobi really is we know he at one time held the Rinnegan and lost it, you can speculate as to why. This leads me to think that he is A Nagato - that's right, Nagato may in fact be a title that the holder of the Rinnegan receives. Given his taste in pawns it sort of makes sense that if Tobi was a Nagato thenhe would have used Madara as one of his own 'six paths of pain' after Madara died.
Thus Madara (real) knows about Nagato (Tobi) and the resurrection Jutsu of what we know from the 'six paths of pain'.
Tobi fears Madara not just because of his strength but mostly because of his knowledge of Tobi himself. For indeed, if Madara was controlled by Tobi at one time then that would mean he knows Tobi's weaknesses and perhaps even motivations. And lets not forget Tobi's true identity - perhaps the greatest piece of all - Madara would certainly know that too.
I could be wrong ... but nothing else seems to make much more sense than that - other than this: maybe Tobi is the other son the the So6P ... but that's a long shot in my mind.
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Typhon Uchiha
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I have just figured it all out lol
Tobi was created by madara on his deathbed to gain the abilities of both paths, look at this:
Once he had gained both sharingan and rinnegan into a single body he would be able to use izanagi which can turn reality into an illusion and illusions into reality. But he no longer has his EMS powers, which is why Nagato was given the rinnegan, to resurrect Madara and combine EMS with Izanagi.
This is where it gets interesting if you read
you see that madara wants to use his EMS genjutsu, that itachi talks about when vsing sasuke. His genjutsu is infinite tsukiyomi, if you know what tsukiyomi does you know that you control space and time, this means you are a god in this genjutsu controlling everything in this realm, by reflecting it off of the moon he would be casting a genjutsu upon every one in the ninja world. Once combined with Tobi and Izanagi his infinite tsukiyomi could be taken to the next level.... it would not only be a genjutsu in the mind of the person, if he used izanagi with infinite tsukiyomi it would turn the illusion of Madara/Tobi being a god into reality. He would have total control of the entire world.
Madara is Tobi and his plan to rule the world has been accumulating since the time when Konohagakure was being created.
If you see any flaws in this hit me up. EPIC !
Tobi was created by madara on his deathbed to gain the abilities of both paths, look at this:
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.Once he had gained both sharingan and rinnegan into a single body he would be able to use izanagi which can turn reality into an illusion and illusions into reality. But he no longer has his EMS powers, which is why Nagato was given the rinnegan, to resurrect Madara and combine EMS with Izanagi.
This is where it gets interesting if you read
You must be registered for see links
,you see that madara wants to use his EMS genjutsu, that itachi talks about when vsing sasuke. His genjutsu is infinite tsukiyomi, if you know what tsukiyomi does you know that you control space and time, this means you are a god in this genjutsu controlling everything in this realm, by reflecting it off of the moon he would be casting a genjutsu upon every one in the ninja world. Once combined with Tobi and Izanagi his infinite tsukiyomi could be taken to the next level.... it would not only be a genjutsu in the mind of the person, if he used izanagi with infinite tsukiyomi it would turn the illusion of Madara/Tobi being a god into reality. He would have total control of the entire world.
Madara is Tobi and his plan to rule the world has been accumulating since the time when Konohagakure was being created.
If you see any flaws in this hit me up. EPIC !
BestYoungNarutoFan
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Yeah, I don't know why Tobi and Kabuto reached an agreement completely. According to your page; Tobi wanted to gather Itachi's corpse. Why? Maybe because Tobi knew of Kabuto? How did Kabuto get Edo Itachi? Who knows but i'm pretty certain Kabuto was at that fight when Sasuke vs Itachi.
Tobi might just be Madara. Madara got his hands on the 1st Hokage's DNA, created one of those white Zetsu clones as a new body, and transferred his brain into one of those.
Remember when Tobi fought Torune, and got his arm infected with Torune's bugs? He ripped his arm off, and the end of the servered arm was a white Zetsu-ish substance, in place of blood. That explains the Zetsu clone body.
Remember when Tobi fought Konan, and his mask got destroyed? Bandages were revealed to be wrapped around his forehead. That explains him transferring his brain into the Zetsu clone. Meaning, the bandages were used to hide the scars.
Put the two together, and that makes Madara a shell of his former self. Without his real body, he lacks the chakra, and the strength he had in his prime. That's my reasoning.
Remember when Tobi fought Torune, and got his arm infected with Torune's bugs? He ripped his arm off, and the end of the servered arm was a white Zetsu-ish substance, in place of blood. That explains the Zetsu clone body.
Remember when Tobi fought Konan, and his mask got destroyed? Bandages were revealed to be wrapped around his forehead. That explains him transferring his brain into the Zetsu clone. Meaning, the bandages were used to hide the scars.
Put the two together, and that makes Madara a shell of his former self. Without his real body, he lacks the chakra, and the strength he had in his prime. That's my reasoning.
serpiente clan
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yes becuse orochimaru is the snake that is we kabuto he need anko to take her body,remenber she got the curse seal is the holy whay he can make the ritual
Thats exactly my thought... but in this community, everybody seems to be obsessed with Tobi = an Uchiha... but he actually never says so. He helps killing the uchiha clan, and i dont think there is a uchiha that would do this, except for Itachi of course. Tobi is a senju.
BestYoungNarutoFan
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serpiente clan
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Typhon Uchiha
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I have just figured it all out lol
Tobi was created by madara on his deathbed to gain the abilities of both paths, look at this:
Once he had gained both sharingan and rinnegan into a single body he would be able to use izanagi which can turn reality into an illusion and illusions into reality. But he no longer has his EMS powers, which is why Nagato was given the rinnegan, to resurrect Madara and combine EMS with Izanagi.
This is where it gets interesting if you read
you see that madara wants to use his EMS genjutsu, that itachi talks about when vsing sasuke. His genjutsu is infinite tsukiyomi, if you know what tsukiyomi does you know that you control space and time, this means you are a god in this genjutsu controlling everything in this realm, by reflecting it off of the moon he would be casting a genjutsu upon every one in the ninja world. Once combined with Tobi and Izanagi his infinite tsukiyomi could be taken to the next level.... it would not only be a genjutsu in the mind of the person, if he used izanagi with infinite tsukiyomi it would turn the illusion of Madara/Tobi being a god into reality. He would have total control of the entire world.
Madara is Tobi and his plan to rule the world has been accumulating since the time when Konohagakure was being created.
If you see any flaws in this hit me up. EPIC !
Tobi was created by madara on his deathbed to gain the abilities of both paths, look at this:
You must be registered for see links
.Once he had gained both sharingan and rinnegan into a single body he would be able to use izanagi which can turn reality into an illusion and illusions into reality. But he no longer has his EMS powers, which is why Nagato was given the rinnegan, to resurrect Madara and combine EMS with Izanagi.
This is where it gets interesting if you read
You must be registered for see links
,you see that madara wants to use his EMS genjutsu, that itachi talks about when vsing sasuke. His genjutsu is infinite tsukiyomi, if you know what tsukiyomi does you know that you control space and time, this means you are a god in this genjutsu controlling everything in this realm, by reflecting it off of the moon he would be casting a genjutsu upon every one in the ninja world. Once combined with Tobi and Izanagi his infinite tsukiyomi could be taken to the next level.... it would not only be a genjutsu in the mind of the person, if he used izanagi with infinite tsukiyomi it would turn the illusion of Madara/Tobi being a god into reality. He would have total control of the entire world.
Madara is Tobi and his plan to rule the world has been accumulating since the time when Konohagakure was being created.
If you see any flaws in this hit me up. EPIC !
BelievesItsNotButter
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With all this talk about Madara and Tobi not one person has mentioned what I noticed on page 10 of this chapter
Naruto not only did not summon a clone to make his fuuton shuriken rasengan but he didn't even use a second set of charka arms from the tailedbeast mode. Does this mean he can do it alone now?
One this is confusing too, he says he can't make a clone in this state. I really hope that doesn't mean he cannot summon as clone as a clone or that would make for a serious hole in the last chapter.
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Naruto not only did not summon a clone to make his fuuton shuriken rasengan but he didn't even use a second set of charka arms from the tailedbeast mode. Does this mean he can do it alone now?
One this is confusing too, he says he can't make a clone in this state. I really hope that doesn't mean he cannot summon as clone as a clone or that would make for a serious hole in the last chapter.
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serpiente clan
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sort of new at this. Can someone tell me how to properly link the pages image in my above post?
BestYoungNarutoFan
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Right now, i would say stop Tobi before it's too late. OR defend the Edo Madara body away from Tobi because it will complete him.
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Heres MY complete split theorum
A shortened version of the theory i lost after writing it for an hour was that Madara is both of them...
Tobi is madara's memories in Obito's body, he would lose his own techniques as his original body was probably dying (old age?) but he would have Obito's technique Space Time Jutsu and the implanted DNA sample, from Madaras fight with Hashirama at the VotE, this would give him the ability to use Izanagi freely and ultimately Banbutsu Sozo, once he had his rinnegan and his plan was complete.
He made a plan long ago to unite his soon to be dead body ie edo tensei'd madara and EMS, with his new Tobi body, so that he could use EMS, Izanagi, Space Time Jutsu, Banbutsu Sozo and control the Jubi once it had been gathered. Essentially the sage of the six paths reborn plus his own EMS.
However he was meant to be reborn with gedo rinne tensei ,but Nagato uses it on the people of Konoha instead, thats why he talks about Nagato as it was part of his plan, Tobi adapted when the snake shows up, it fits in as he can revive his old body that way ie impure world resurrection. Sasuke was a sacrifice he was willing to make to gain ultimate power.
Madara mind is inside of Obito's body
Obito's body is Tobi, thus all the similarities.
Madara is Tobi.
Tobi was created by madara on his deathbed to gain the abilities of both paths, look at this:
Once he had gained both sharingan and rinnegan into a single body he would be able to use izanagi which can turn reality into an illusion and illusions into reality. But he no longer has his EMS powers, which is why Nagato was given the rinnegan, to resurrect Madara and combine EMS with Izanagi.
This is where it gets interesting if you read
you see that madara wants to use his EMS genjutsu, that itachi talks about when vsing sasuke. His genjutsu is infinite tsukiyomi, if you know what tsukiyomi does you know that you control space and time, this means you are a god in this genjutsu controlling everything in this realm, by reflecting it off of the moon he would be casting a genjutsu upon every one in the ninja world. Once combined with Tobi and Izanagi his infinite tsukiyomi could be taken to the next level.... it would not only be a genjutsu in the mind of the person, if he used izanagi with infinite tsukiyomi it would turn the illusion of Madara/Tobi being a god into reality. He would have total control of the entire world.
Madara is Tobi and his plan to rule the world has been accumulating since the time when Konohagakure was being created.
If you see any flaws in this hit me up. EPIC !
A shortened version of the theory i lost after writing it for an hour was that Madara is both of them...
Tobi is madara's memories in Obito's body, he would lose his own techniques as his original body was probably dying (old age?) but he would have Obito's technique Space Time Jutsu and the implanted DNA sample, from Madaras fight with Hashirama at the VotE, this would give him the ability to use Izanagi freely and ultimately Banbutsu Sozo, once he had his rinnegan and his plan was complete.
He made a plan long ago to unite his soon to be dead body ie edo tensei'd madara and EMS, with his new Tobi body, so that he could use EMS, Izanagi, Space Time Jutsu, Banbutsu Sozo and control the Jubi once it had been gathered. Essentially the sage of the six paths reborn plus his own EMS.
However he was meant to be reborn with gedo rinne tensei ,but Nagato uses it on the people of Konoha instead, thats why he talks about Nagato as it was part of his plan, Tobi adapted when the snake shows up, it fits in as he can revive his old body that way ie impure world resurrection. Sasuke was a sacrifice he was willing to make to gain ultimate power.
Madara mind is inside of Obito's body
Obito's body is Tobi, thus all the similarities.
Madara is Tobi.
Tobi was created by madara on his deathbed to gain the abilities of both paths, look at this:
You must be registered for see links
.Once he had gained both sharingan and rinnegan into a single body he would be able to use izanagi which can turn reality into an illusion and illusions into reality. But he no longer has his EMS powers, which is why Nagato was given the rinnegan, to resurrect Madara and combine EMS with Izanagi.
This is where it gets interesting if you read
You must be registered for see links
,you see that madara wants to use his EMS genjutsu, that itachi talks about when vsing sasuke. His genjutsu is infinite tsukiyomi, if you know what tsukiyomi does you know that you control space and time, this means you are a god in this genjutsu controlling everything in this realm, by reflecting it off of the moon he would be casting a genjutsu upon every one in the ninja world. Once combined with Tobi and Izanagi his infinite tsukiyomi could be taken to the next level.... it would not only be a genjutsu in the mind of the person, if he used izanagi with infinite tsukiyomi it would turn the illusion of Madara/Tobi being a god into reality. He would have total control of the entire world.
Madara is Tobi and his plan to rule the world has been accumulating since the time when Konohagakure was being created.
If you see any flaws in this hit me up. EPIC !
BestYoungNarutoFan
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I'm also interested in what Itachi and Sasuke are going to do. I mean from the looks of it, it looks like Tobi is in a rush to somewhere but i think Sasuke and Itachi will meet eachother and we'll just have to see the results. If this happens i think Sasuke will ask Itachi to join him. I think Itachi will fight Sasuke one more time after looking at Sasuke as a person who can't be changed. Itachi will die and Sasuke will head straight to Edo Madara while Naruto and KillerBee heads for Tobi if Tobi is made of white Zetsu because Naruto can sense White zetsus. We'll see.
BestYoungNarutoFan
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I wonder if this would create a conflict between Tobi and Sasuke? Maybe Itachi? Maybe the Edo Madara?
BelievesItsNotButter
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That makes complete sense. Its a couple steps beyond the theory I was working on and fills in the pieces I had not yet found. Good job!
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