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[Disquiet]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Madara's sharingan was activated all the time in their conversation ... in other words, their eyes linked. The seal activated upon seeing his face not eyes.
Just accept that Tobi is Madara ... why its so hard my friend ? What does not add up ?

that's a funny question, he refuses to show his face and you ask what does not add up?

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

he could be madara or obito or izuna

No Obito!

You didnt get what i said at all, so what if their eyes linked? Tobi told Sasuke Itachi set Amaterasu to activate when he showed him his SHaringan, Tobi could easily have Madara's eyes as an example, and secondly please answer this, the only "person" that really knows Tobi's face besides dead Kisame is Zetsu, why he keeps calling him Tobi? and i want to know if you have a theory about the sixth coffin then.

You make no sense, as I said ... their eyes were linked before he took of his mask, so it was scripted to his face of Uchiha Madara.
And the latter, he used "Tobi" to hide his identity as a leader of Akatsuki and the fact that he is alive.
Also: Tobi when used (飛) can be translated as "Jump" a reference to his teleportation power, or when (鳶) it can be translated as "Kite" which is a reference to the Japanese proverb: "a hawk born from a kite/dragon" which mean that an extraordinarily gifted child can be born from ordinary parents and in reverse. And in that coffin its Izuna

that's a funny question, he refuses to show his face and you ask what does not add up?

Look at your grandpa's face and add many scars and wounds

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Madara's sharingan was activated all the time in their conversation ... in other words, their eyes linked. The seal activated upon seeing his face not eyes.
Just accept that Tobi is Madara ... why its so hard my friend ? What does not add up ?

it was set to activate when he saw tobi's shringan go re-read the manga. like i said if we already kno what madara looks like then y not show us his face when they was showing kisame's past.

 

[Kinimaster]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

No Obito!

You make no sense, as I said ... their eyes were linked before he took of his mask, so it was scripted to his face of Uchiha Madara.
And the latter, he used "Tobi" to hide his identity as a leader of Akatsuki and the fact that he is alive.
Also: Tobi when used (飛) can be translated as "Jump" a reference to his teleportation power, or when (鳶) it can be translated as "Kite" which is a reference to the Japanese proverb: "a hawk born from a kite/dragon" which mean that an extraordinarily gifted child can be born from ordinary parents and in reverse. And in that coffin its Izuna


Look at your grandpa's face and add many scars and wounds

Seriously? ok im off, gotta work tomorrow. If you think that then good for you.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Madara's sharingan was activated all the time in their conversation ... in other words, their eyes linked. The seal activated upon seeing his face not eyes.
Just accept that Tobi is Madara ... why its so hard my friend ? What does not add up ?

proof chapter 397 page 10 activate upon seeing his sharingan

 

[try1x07]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

How come Madara does posses the rinngean the way he told Koan " I'm the only one gave it to Nagato so I'm gonna get return to being with it?

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

it was set to activate when he saw tobi's shringan go re-read the manga. like i said if we already kno what madara looks like then y not show us his face when they was showing kisame's past.

In Madara's words ... it was just his stupid assumption, read again, it makes no sense because his eye/eyes are visible through holes in that mask.

Seriously? ok im off, gotta work tomorrow. If you think that then good for you.

Of course I think that , thats why I made this thread and I was about to say good for you as well.

I gave you logical explanations and proofs, all you gave me is "no" and some weird theories.
Another proof is that 3rd databook states that Madara's hobby "is" falconry.
We can see Madara sitting upon his own statue in VoTE thinking about what path will Sasuke take ... of a snake or of a hawk ... then we can see a hawk flying above his head, another hint from Kishi its indeed Madara

 

[lebronisbetterthenkobe]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

well there are a bunch of uchiha tht looks almost exactly like madara such as madaras brother so this really proves nothing. kisame couldve have easily been mistaken... of course i do believe tht tobi is madara but i am open to possibilities

 

[Swizzik]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

A legend 60 years older than him, that should be dead, and the statue doesnt show any details of his face. To all who are here i seriously recommend to go look Pungzeyes(spell?) theory about Tobi's Identity, while i dont completely agree with it, its one of the most precise elaborated theorys in this site about this subject in particular. It shows a lot of little hints Kishimoto hides in the manga.

WRONG! the statue is very detailed even more so than hokage mountain.

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

How come Madara does posses the rinngean the way he told Koan " I'm the only one gave it to Nagato so I'm gonna get return to being with it?

Unknows at this point, but the most used theory is that he gave his EMS turned off to Nagato because he was born blind. Thats why we have never seen Madara using EMS in present. Nagato as an Uzumaki activated the turned off EMS as a Rinnegan seeing the death of his parents.
EMS (Sage's eyes) + Uzumaki (Sage's body) = Rinnegan in other words.
Think about that ... There is just 1 person in history that awakened EMS and its Madara. (Not counting Sasuke because its recent) and the only 1 person besides Sage of the 6 paths to posses Rinnegan and its Nagato.
The man saying he is Uchiha Madara has shown no EMS at all, thats why he is interested in Sasuke ... he sacrificed his EMS to create Rinnegan and now he want it back and will take Sasuke's.

well there are a bunch of uchiha tht looks almost exactly like madara such as madaras brother so this really proves nothing. kisame couldve have easily been mistaken... of course i do believe tht tobi is madara but i am open to possibilities

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

sasuke was never looking directly at his eyes when they first met..any way everytime they show madara u can't always see his sharingan sometimes u see a black hole..like when he was fighting kakashi an company some of them got really close to him an never knew he had sharingan untill he showed it off at the very end.

 

[Kinimaster]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Unknows at this point, but the most used theory is that he gave his EMS turned off to Nagato because he was born blind. Thats why we have never seen Madara using EMS in present. Nagato as an Uzumaki activated the turned off EMS as a Rinnegan seeing the death of his parents.
EMS (Sage's eyes) + Uzumaki (Sage's body) = Rinnegan in other words.
Think about that ... There is just 1 person in history that awakened EMS and its Madara. (Not counting Sasuke because its recent) and the only 1 person besides Sage of the 6 paths to posses Rinnegan and its Nagato.
The man saying he is Uchiha Madara has shown no EMS at all, thats why he is interested in Sasuke ... he sacrificed his EMS to create Rinnegan and now he want it back and will take Sasuke's.

Lol talking about weird theorys, seriously you are stating something as fact, and yet you have a lot of loopholes, even i say i dont know who Tobi is, you cant answer 1.- Why zetsu calls him Tobi 2.- Why he uses a mask( please dont bring the appealing thing, its lame) 3.- Who is in the coffin. If you cant provide evidence and answers to that, your theory is just a theory nothing more. If you are convinced then dont make a thread to make it look like a fact, while its not. ok? thanks.

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

sasuke was never looking directly at his eyes when they first met..any way everytime they show madara u can't always see his sharingan sometimes u see a black hole..like when he was fighting kakashi an company some of them got really close to him an never knew he had sharingan untill he showed it off at the very end.

Kakashi saw his Sharingan the first time they met

Lol talking about weird theorys, seriously you are stating something as fact, and yet you have a lot of loopholes, even i say i dont know who Tobi is, you cant answer 1.- Why zetsu calls him Tobi 2.- Why he uses a mask( please dont bring the appealing thing, its lame) 3.- Who is in the coffin. If you cant provide evidence and answers to that, your theory is just a theory nothing more. If you are convinced then dont make a thread to make it look like a fact, while its not. ok? thanks.

People are stating Tobi=Obito as a fact and its OK.
1. Why people call 3rd Hokage "Sarutobi" ? its the name of his clan ... his name is Hiruzen. He called him Tobi because it was the plan to hide his identity ... Zetsu got used to it
2. His face is not that young, wounds and scars from battle with the 1st hokage
3. Izuna most likely, all we know for sure is that its "he"

 

[Kinimaster]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Kakashi saw his Sharingan the first time they met

People are stating Tobi=Obito as a fact and its OK.
1. Why people call 3rd Hokage "Sarutobi" ? its the name of his clan ... his name is Hiruzen. He called him Tobi because it was the plan to hide his identity ... Zetsu got used to it
2. His face is not that young, wounds and scars from battle with the 1st hokage
3. Izuna most likely, all we know for sure is that its "he"

1.- Not the same thing.
2.- ...., a ninja that old like Madara couldnt care less about if he is ugly, he is hiding something.
3.- Then what is the secret Madara has that Kabuto discovered.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Kakashi saw his Sharingan the first time they met

People are stating Tobi=Obito as a fact and its OK.
1. Why people call 3rd Hokage "Sarutobi" ? its the name of his clan ... his name is Hiruzen. He called him Tobi because it was the plan to hide his identity ... Zetsu got used to it
2. His face is not that young, wounds and scars from battle with the 1st hokage
3. Izuna most likely, all we know for sure is that its "he"

yea that was the first time they met dats wat im talking about they were fighting and no 1 saw his sharingan untill he let them see it be4 he left with zetsu..be 4 that no1 saw his sharingan the hole time while they were fighting not even kakashi.

 

[jlfs1195]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

yeah he is madara, unless there is a super plot twister

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

1.- Not the same thing.
2.- ...., a ninja that old like Madara couldnt care less about if he is ugly, he is hiding something.
3.- Then what is the secret Madara has that Kabuto discovered.

1. It is ... 1st and 2nd used to call Hiruzen "Saru" = monkey
2. yeah ... everyone will take him seriously and will respect "how powerful" he is supposed to be when his face looks like shit
3. what secret ?

 

[Kinimaster]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

1. It is ... 1st and 2nd used to call Hiruzen "Saru" = monkey
2. yeah ... everyone will take him seriously and will respect "how powerful" he is supposed to be when his face looks like shit
3. what secret ?

Go read the manga again to see the conversation between Tobi and Kabuto, Saru is a short name for Sarutobi, if you think its really Madara then Tobi is a fake name, no point in keep calling him like that. It even makes more sense for him to be Kagami, because S/T jutsu(second hokage was his sensei) and age, i think what Tobi just wanted was to be feared and be recognized as Uchiha Madara, then he would have the minimun of opposition to begin his plan( Itachi wouldnt attack him neither other ninjas, could lead Akatsuki). Now he has the Rin'negan and paths, Sasuke as a mere pawn and edo summons, when the sixth coffin is revealed we will know for certain who is Tobi.

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Go read the manga again to see the conversation between Tobi and Kabuto, Saru is a short name for Sarutobi, if you think its really Madara then Tobi is a fake name, no point in keep calling him like that. It even makes more sense for him to be Kagami, because S/T jutsu(second hokage was his sensei) and age, i think what Tobi just wanted was to be feared and be recognized as Uchiha Madara, then he would have the minimun of opposition to begin his plan( Itachi wouldnt attack him neither other ninjas, could lead Akatsuki). Now he has the Rin'negan and paths, Sasuke as a mere pawn and edo summons, when the sixth coffin is revealed we will know for certain who is Tobi.

Yes , tobi is just a nickname when he acted as a akatsuki noob. As I said, Zetsu just got used to call him Tobi as 1st and 2nd Hiruzen Saru.
Tobi is again reference to teleportation and hawk.
2nd did not posses the same power as Madara ... we have never seen him using it in Oro vs 3rd fight ... I think its more like Minato's.
Also he would not got killed if its really the same power.
And I remember manga very well and not recall secret you talk about

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Yes , tobi is just a nickname when he acted as a akatsuki noob. As I said, Zetsu just got used to call him Tobi as 1st and 2nd Hiruzen Saru.
Tobi is again reference to teleportation and hawk.
2nd did not posses the same power as Madara ... we have never seen him using it in Oro vs 3rd fight ... I think its more like Minato's.
Also he would not got killed if its really the same power.
And I remember manga very well and not recall secret you talk about

zetsu never called him nonthing else besides tobi