Harashima Senju VS Nagato(pain)
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he is a master of genjutsu, ninjutsu and taijutsu he is not a regular ninja. nagato is not gonna easily win dude against a guy that strong who took on madara and kyubi. we don't all about him but he has good genjutsu tech like the one he used on the 3rd aand has been hyped up for a reason and no not everyone are nagato haters but realize kishi's portrayal of hashirama and i guess we'll fully find out when we get a flashback of some sort. And the opposite could also be said the ppl who are saying nagato without full info are nagato fanboys not aiming this at you particularly.
SageRinnegan
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In theory, Hashirama would win. however, lets analyze:
Hashirama mainly uses wood release, and a version so powerful he could use it to beat madara uchiha at his prime, and use it to control the tailed beasts, such as the nine tailed fox.
But nagato has the rinnegan, and if you think about it, hashirama's wood release wouldn't exactly be useful if it gets caught in a chibaku tensei. he could suck up whole mountain ranges, so im pretty sure he could handle trees.
both are legendary in the ninja world, but hashirama isnt a very good match to go against nagato.
however, this is based on the little we know about both, so its still difficult to say. but im leaning towards nagato on this one.
Hashirama mainly uses wood release, and a version so powerful he could use it to beat madara uchiha at his prime, and use it to control the tailed beasts, such as the nine tailed fox.
But nagato has the rinnegan, and if you think about it, hashirama's wood release wouldn't exactly be useful if it gets caught in a chibaku tensei. he could suck up whole mountain ranges, so im pretty sure he could handle trees.
both are legendary in the ninja world, but hashirama isnt a very good match to go against nagato.
however, this is based on the little we know about both, so its still difficult to say. but im leaning towards nagato on this one.
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Taiketsu Yagami
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>_> Looks like I'll have to step in this. I read the first post and it said Hashirama ALONE vs. Nagato (no 6 paths) which means the Nagato that fought Hanzo. Now come on now....
Nagato destroyed the leaf village with a powerful shinra tensei. Well Hashirama created the Leaf village with a powerful Mokuton technique so scale wise jutsu are in both their favors. No matter what cheating abilities the rinnegan has, Hashirama was considered the strongest ninja in his time next to Madara. U think someone that powerful is just gonna die from shinra tensei and planetary devestation? No way in hell... Plus its pretty clear Hashirama knew fuuinjutsu since he married a uzumaki and can tame tailed beast. For all u know, he could simply seal Nagato.
U guys are overestimating Nagato and underestimating Hashirama and I don't know why u guys are comparing him to Naruto who went up against the six paths.
Nagato destroyed the leaf village with a powerful shinra tensei. Well Hashirama created the Leaf village with a powerful Mokuton technique so scale wise jutsu are in both their favors. No matter what cheating abilities the rinnegan has, Hashirama was considered the strongest ninja in his time next to Madara. U think someone that powerful is just gonna die from shinra tensei and planetary devestation? No way in hell... Plus its pretty clear Hashirama knew fuuinjutsu since he married a uzumaki and can tame tailed beast. For all u know, he could simply seal Nagato.
U guys are overestimating Nagato and underestimating Hashirama and I don't know why u guys are comparing him to Naruto who went up against the six paths.
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MandraRules
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Hashirama vs Nagato is definetly Nagato winning. Hashirama can't even touch Nagato with Mokuton because Nagato would just suck the chakra out of it when it gets close.
I don't see any way for Hashirama to win. All we know is his feats and Mokuton.
known abilities>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>feats
It's like when people say "Oh x beat y and z beat x so z can beat y"
Some people will say "Oh Hashirama beat Madara, Madara can beat Nagato, so Hashirama will beat Nagato".
That might seem logical but it's not. Because Hashirama vs Madara is a feat and Madara disputes whether he was trying to kill/win.
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I don't see any way for Hashirama to win. All we know is his feats and Mokuton.
known abilities>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>feats
It's like when people say "Oh x beat y and z beat x so z can beat y"
Some people will say "Oh Hashirama beat Madara, Madara can beat Nagato, so Hashirama will beat Nagato".
That might seem logical but it's not. Because Hashirama vs Madara is a feat and Madara disputes whether he was trying to kill/win.
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hashirama.the bijuu are very strong and it take one akatsuki to fight one generally but pain may be strong but the six paths are weaker than the other akatsuki if they fight one on one with the bijuu. also i don't know how hashirama beat madara even though it may not be madara's full power but madara could not be playing with hashirama anyway since it was a destined battle of hatred.but hashirama won which showed some great power unknown to us
1. Where did you get master of genjutsu?
2. Where did you get master of ninjutsu?
3. Where did you get master of taijutsu?
4. He used ONE genjutsu on the third.
5. Actually the only know abilities of Hashirama are Mokuton, Bringer of Darkness, and Bijuu control. Mokuton is absorbed, Bringer of Darkness would work and Bijuu control wouldn't matter because this is Nagato vs Hashi 1vs1.
6. As far as we know he mainly uses wood release. It is probable he has many other jutsu but we haven't seen him use them.
7. Hashirama didn't create Konoha with a Mokuton, he founded Konoha =\= built.
8. Cheating abilities, lol...
9. Once again the "said" hypothesis. "Oh he was the strongest then and now he still is" That is wrong.
10. Then you can explain how he can "avoid" or "survive" Planetary Devastation. As you said, no way in hell.
11. We haven't seen him use fuinjutsu and no one has said he can. Don't assume things that have never been mentioned.
12. For all I know he only has one genjutsu and Mokuton. So unless he can seal him with those...:shrug:
Little kids should not be haters as they cannot back their hate up.
the 3rd was praising him for his abilities in taijutsu and he was also shown to be very proficient and kage lvl(s rank or a rank) in genjutsu with one of his techs. And he beat madara uchiha who is also amazing at genjutsu (controlling the nine tails with his eyes) so he had a very good defense to his eyes showing his resistance to it too. we don't kno all about him but certain things like about his ninjutsu skills are obvious since he had mokuton and was praised as the senju's leader the clan with a thousand skills so its very likely he was well versed in all 3 ninja skills(also been said by the anbu and also 3rd for certain skills like genjutsu, taijutsu and mokuton) but he just has not shown much of it due to him being dead.
TrollingSage
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1. Actually Yamato actually said he created the whole of the konoha landscape with his jutsu.
2.Just a theory here but he could use his wood as a shield to protect himself against planetary devastation like Yamato does.
3.Of course he can use fuinjutsu. When he distributed the tailed beasts to the other nations do u think he delivered them with a leash around their necks like common house pets?They were SEALED.
4. The senju were known as the clan with a thousand jutsus. Surely you dont think their leader will only know 2 jutsus
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Kira was Righteous
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The thing is despite your nagato bashing it doesnt change the facts put kishi in the manga so basically you trying to argue that hashirama would win doesnt change anything its like your just spitting out shet and you think with 2 or 3 people that repeat your stupid views that you are right
Sannin Elite
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Okay you are obviously a fan boy and for one, please don't start with the Nagato trip. Yes he is BEAST! I admit it. But let's look at it this way Chibaku Tensei his ULTIMATE Nin-Jutsu (Who he made much bigger than he need to, stated by Konan) couldn't control Naruto at 8 tails. Hashirama has the Chakra that of bijuu and can control 7 at a time. Hashirama>Nagato sorrrrrry :shrug:.
Dude you do realize that Nagato wasted so much chakra before he sealed the kn6 - 8 in it right. And he claimed that he could make it bigger also this was a Nagato who was coughing up blood now imagine a completed Nagato with full powers from the start.
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what facts twerdos i don't get ur problem is nagato like ur religion and am i offending it. where did kishi say nagato is stronger than hashirama. pls stop saying what ur saying is fact when it is not. And i am not hater of nagato i think he is very powerful and quite smart but i don't think he is the best and can beat everyone else like madara, kabuto, minato, itachi just to name a few , he is definitely one of the best but not the best and no kishi did not state that as a fact so stop spouting that bs.
yea dude(theleader) there are haters its common for any strong character ppl hate on itachi, nagato, madara, or pretty much any ppl near that lvl and there are fanboys for them too we can't help it. its ok to have fav charcaters but ppl have to realize there might be ppl who can beat them. i am bee fan but i kno naruto, sasuke, itachi, nagato, madara and pretty much anyone on that lvl can beat him.
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Sannin Elite
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1st Hokage, controls 7 Bijuu lets say you get the
- 1 tail
- 3 tails
- 4 tails
- 5 tails
- 7 tails
That's just 5 he can control 7 and all of those put together could destroy Nagato. Nagato can't take on 1 Bijuu with 9 tails and I doubt he can take 5 that add up to 20 tails. The chakra within all these Bijuu's has more, probably than the Kyuubi and the Hachibi. So if Nagato can't take one Jinjuuriki who doesn't know how to use the Kyuubi's Powers (AND ONLY AT 8 tails). How do you expect him to take on 5 Bijuu let alone 7 at once. And with all the other ninjitsu (Mokuton), and he himself has chakra, that of a Bijuu, which means 5 bijuu together and including the first, it means 6. So 7 would mean 8 bijuu, including him
Soo let's see the famous Nagato take on that many Bijuu? No thanks I don't to see one of my favorite characters assassinated.