Harashima Senju VS Nagato(pain)

[Selendrile]

I just have to say Nagato.

 

[Paradox Ruler]

why are nagato's animals special and immune to genjutsu?

not all of his animal are unafeected but anyways he can just summon an animal after he's affected with the genjutsu.

 

[arv993]

shino explained why some animals can't and he even said htat it's a good thing he has bugs because there immuned to it.
you're not getting the fact that genjutsu has to affect that structure to put the person in genjutsu,also to even get out of that genjutsu nagato can use shinra tensai to hit hashirama or nagato can summon animal like the splitting dog after he is cast in the genjutsu so that he can use those dogs to see for him.

if he is in genjutsu he cannot see and dude these animals are not insects and like other animals summonings can be affected by genjutsu and also dogs would do nothing they would be just captured by mokuton and be restrained.

 

[kadowade]

shino explained why some animals can't and he even said htat it's a good thing he has bugs because there immuned to it.
you're not getting the fact that genjutsu has to affect that structure to put the person in genjutsu,also to even get out of that genjutsu nagato can use shinra tensai to hit hashirama or nagato can summon animal like the splitting dog after he is cast in the genjutsu so that he can use those dogs to see for him.

Dont you think if they share the same vision, they would experiance anything, the other paths see.

And once Nagato is in a Genjutsu, he's a sitting duck.

 

[dmac23]

people underestimate nagato just because he lost to bee naruto and itachi. it was 3 against 1 of course he was gonna lose. nagato at full strength would destroy the 1st. if the 1st doesnt have any tail beast then its over for him

 

[Paradox Ruler]

if he is in genjutsu he cannot see and dude these animals are not insects and like other animals summonings can be affected by genjutsu and also dogs would do nothing they would be just captured by mokuton and be restrained.

some animals lack the structure in their brainnot getting in to that, anyway if nagato summons animals after he's in genjutsu his summons won't be in it because hashirama genjutsu only blinds the oppenent it's casted on so he can use the dogs to see for him.

 

[arv993]

people underestimate nagato just because he lost to bee naruto and itachi. it was 3 against 1 of course he was gonna lose. nagato at full strength would destroy the 1st. if the 1st doesnt have any tail beast then its over for him

nagato is strong but ppl are also underestimating the first who beat madara and kyubi. nagato is strong but he can be beaten by ppl on madara's lvl and also ppl like kabuto, mintao and itachi. nagato is powerful but is not tactical and lacks mobility and others can take advantage of it. he is stronng but not the strongest.

 

[arv993]

some animals lack the structure in their brainnot getting in to that, anyway if nagato summons animals after he's in genjutsu his summons won't be in it because hashirama genjutsu only blinds the oppenent it's casted on so he can use the dogs to see for him.

they share his vison and i told u he can use mokuton to restrain them nagato is vulnerable after that.

 

[Paradox Ruler]

Dont you think if they share the same vision, they would experiance anything, the other paths see.

And once Nagato is in a Genjutsu, he's a sitting duck.

nagato is body is in genjutsu, he will be blind but not his animals
nagato if casted on= irregular chakra flow being blind
nagato summons after genjutsu=not having irregular chakra flow

so nagato cna use his animals to see for him.

 

[Tosen]

To be honest we don't know the true extant of Harashima powers so we don't know all we know is that he kicked EMS Madara/w Kyuubi ass and that he is weaker then the 4th Hokage so I believe based on the evidence we have Nagato would win until proven otherwise.

 

[arv993]

To be honest we don't know the true extant of Harashima powers so we don't know all we know is that he kicked EMS Madara/w Kyuubi and that he is weaker then the 4th Hokage so I believe based on the evidence we have Nagato would win until proven otherwise.

who said he is weaker than minato dude, u cannot say the battle can be one side or the other until we get full info all u can do is speculate.

 

[Tosen]

who said he is weaker than minato dude, u cannot say the battle can be one side or the other until we get full info all u can do is speculate.

Wasn't it stated that the 4 Hokage is the strongest dead ninja.

 

[Paradox Ruler]

they share his vison and i told u he can use mokuton to restrain them nagato is vulnerable after that.

ok even if he restrains them nagato can still use them to see and can use his preta powers to absorb mokuton

 

[kadowade]

nagato is body is in genjutsu, he will be blind but not his animals
nagato if casted on= irregular chakra flow being blind
nagato summons after genjutsu=not having irregular chakra flow

so nagato cna use his animals to see for him.

How would he be able to control animals, when he's suffering in a Genjutsu

 

[arv993]

Wasn't it stated that the 4 Hokage is the strongest dead ninja.

ok even if he restrains them nagato can still use them to see and can use his preta powers to absorb mokuton

no it was not


how is preta path gonna fly there out of nowhere and why is hashirama would just stand there he would finish nagato after he gets him in genjutsu.

 

[Paradox Ruler]

How would he be able to control animals, when he's suffering in a Genjutsu

it only blinds the one it's casted on so he's not suffering,

 

[Draegod]

madara ems is better than nagato himself nagato cannot even hit the guy and back then madara was complete much stronger than what tobi is right now. he is better than nagato dude, nagato has weaknesses like mobility and maybe genjutsu. but his powers arew amazing he is up there but hashirama seems to be higher than him IMo and madara ems most definitely is. and nagato did not fight a full 8 tails minato stopped b4 it fully got to fight nagato and he was in a bad spot at that point doubt he can go agianst a full 9 tails and win.

What i wanna know is where did it say madara ems had s/t nin??? Dont get me wrong there alll op, but in match ups nagato beats hashirama.

Uu do know pain had to take on the whole village, destroy it, take on 2 sage mode naruto, 6 tail kyubi, naruto again, 3 giant frogs, kakashi, and they had alll intel on him. Then on top of that he didn't fight as nagato and use gedo mazou.

So dont make it seem as though he was fresh and it was an all out fair fight.

 

[Tosen]

If hashimara like naruto had enough info on nagato's abilities, help from kanoha ninjas and weakness then id call draw.Whatever happens hashimara cannot win, if nagato fights at 100%.

Against naruto, nagato had already wasted alot of chakra fighting and killing kanoha ninjas, then used the ultimate shira tensei to completely destroy the village, which greatly weakened him, yet he fought and successfully captured naruto in sage mode. Then fought with 1/6 of his strength (god realm only) on par with 8 tail mode naruto, before dying due to extremely low chakra when he revived everybody he killed in konoha.

If hashimara had naruto's intel and lets assume he was working alone, it would be extremely hard for him to fight the 6paths and at the same time locate where nagato his hidden, if he does eventually figure out where he is, he would be killed off due to his low chakra left, similar with jiraiya.

Naruto needed all the help he can get from jiraiya, the kanoha ninja's that figured out where pain is located and the demon fox whom without naruto wouldve been captured.

THIS

 

[Paradox Ruler]

no it was not


how is preta path gonna fly there out of nowhere and why is hashirama would just stand there he would finish nagato after he gets him in genjutsu.

he has other path he just summon a camellion to keep hashirama busy or can use asura and use the laser cannon to blow the mokuton away

 

[arv993]

What i wanna know is where did it say madara ems had s/t nin??? Dont get me wrong there alll op, but in match ups nagato beats hashirama.

Uu do know pain had to take on the whole village, destroy it, take on 2 sage mode naruto, 6 tail kyubi, naruto again, 3 giant frogs, kakashi, and they had alll intel on him. Then on top of that he didn't fight as nagato and use gedo mazou.

So dont make it seem as though he was fresh and it was an all out fair fight.

tru that yes he did have to fight konoha but mainly fodder no one amazingly strong other than kakashi. and like i said hahsirama was also fighting madara on the side. and still even with chibaku hiis best tech nine tails broke out there was no way he could actually beat something on that lvl even hashirama can only take it on cos he has a psecial ability that is meant to supress the kyubi but even then taking it on with fighting madara is pretty insane too.