Harashima Senju VS Nagato(pain)

[Paradox Ruler]

madara ems is better than nagato himself nagato cannot even hit the guy and back then madara was complete much stronger than what tobi is right now. he is better than nagato dude, nagato has weaknesses like mobility and maybe genjutsu. but his powers arew amazing he is up there but hashirama seems to be higher than him IMo and madara ems most definitely is. and nagato did not fight a full 8 tails minato stopped b4 it fully got to fight nagato and he was in a bad spot at that point doubt he can go agianst a full 9 tails and win.

nagato rinnegan is better than madara ems a matter of fact it outclasses madara eye.nagato cna hit madara and tobi only balaces out because he was able to learn a few new tricks to rely on but his body is fragile.
nagato can go toe to toe with madara and win just by his six path of pain and his other jutsu like to control the weather to tell where his enemy is.

 

[kadowade]

hashirama vs nagato cannot be determined without full info we can only go by speculation right now dude.

True, we don't know enough about hashirama now. We only know about pain

 

[arv993]

nagato rinnegan is better than madara ems a matter of fact it outclasses madara eye.nagato cna hit madara and tobi only balaces out because he was able to learn a few new tricks to rely on but his body is fragile.
nagato can go toe to toe with madara and win just by his six path of pain and his other jutsu like to control the weather to tell where his enemy is.

his body is not fragile he took a rasengan and nothing happened to him and nagato may have rinnegan but madara has the izanagi and s/t jutsu allowing him to avoid any attack nagato has and also use izanagi in a tough spot and he can absorb nagato considering his lack of mobiklity and the way that madara can avoid all his eyes by moving underground or just teleporting next to him. and why would madara fight six paths when he can just go teleport to nagato and finish him there.

 

[Paradox Ruler]

hitting hashirama without being able to see him and hashirama can defend himself too with his wood. this wood can restrain tailedd beasts a bunch of summons are nothing compared to it.

the rhino has incredible strength that thing will knock deown the shukaku easily
plus even if nagato is in genjutsu he has other ey's to see for him so that he can use his tech that genjutsu is pratically useless too.
nagato has bird a scorpian and other's plus he can use universal pull to destroy hashirama wood

 

[bestevawuz]

facepalm to the 10th degree hashirama 4 sure.

 

[Paradox Ruler]

his body is not fragile he took a rasengan and nothing happened to him and nagato may have rinnegan but madara has the izanagi and s/t jutsu allowing him to avoid any attack nagato has and also use izanagi in a tough spot and he can absorb nagato considering his lack of mobiklity and the way that madara can avoid all his eyes by moving underground or just teleporting next to him. and why would madara fight six paths when he can just go teleport to nagato and finish him there.

tobi body is incredibly fragile and tobi was bleeding from the rasengan that's why he even depends on space time.

 

[arv993]

the rhino has incredible strength that thing will knock deown the shukaku easily
plus even if nagato is in genjutsu he has other ey's to see for him so that he can use his tech that genjutsu is pratically useless too.
nagato has bird a scorpian and other's plus he can use universal pull to destroy hashirama wood

ur explanation for the genjutsu makes no sense and that tech makes more then one eye in genjutsu considering it makes everything darkness. nagato cannot avoid that genjutsu tech and hashirama can make wood cpontinously he is not only limited to using a couple times. rhinos and none of his summons are as good as tailed beasts which the mokuton can hold down so no summons are a wasste of time.

 

[arv993]

tobi body is incredibly fragile and tobi was bleeding from the rasengan that's why he even depends on space time.

everyone bleeds if you get by a rasengan are u stupid its not a weak tech that ppl can just shake off. his body is not fragile you're just making assumptions dude. he did not even get hurt much by it. if anything nagato's body is fragile and weak.

 

[Paradox Ruler]

ur explanation for the genjutsu makes no sense and that tech makes more then one eye in genjutsu considering it makes everything darkness. nagato cannot avoid that genjutsu tech and hashirama can make wood cpontinously he is not only limited to using a couple times. rhinos and none of his summons are as good as tailed beasts which the mokuton can hold down so no summons are a wasste of time.

hilarious when nagato can see threw his sumons eye's and his summons minds are to simple to be in genjutsu.do you understand now so nagato can be in taht genjutsu and still attack and doge moves because his eyes are linked.

 

[TrollingSage]

the rhino has incredible strength that thing will knock deown the shukaku easily
plus even if nagato is in genjutsu he has other ey's to see for him so that he can use his tech that genjutsu is pratically useless too.
nagato has bird a scorpian and other's plus he can use universal pull to destroy hashirama wood

Harashima is the master of regeneration. I doubt any fom of taijustu is applicable here.
I will go with harashima simply because of superior battle intellect.
Since harashima has a lot of unknown forbidden justus and stamina to pull them off, if the fight drags on, nagato loses. If the fight doesnt, the one who find his opponents weak spot first wins(I believe that will be harashima)

 

[arv993]

hilarious when nagato can see threw his sumons eye's and his summons minds are to simple to be in genjutsu.do you understand now so nagato can be in taht genjutsu and still attack and doge moves because his eyes are linked.

who the hell told u animals cannot be in genjutsu dude,stop making up bs animals can be put in genjutsu and the summons can all be restrained by mokuton anyway.

 

[Paradox Ruler]

everyone bleeds if you get by a rasengan are u stupid its not a weak tech that ppl can just shake off. his body is not fragile you're just making assumptions dude. he did not even get hurt much by it. if anything nagato's body is fragile and weak.

did you not see ooze come out of him from that rasengan anyway he claims to be a shell of his former self.rasengan of that size shouldn't
have done that to him.

 

[Turson]

Since harashima has a lot of unknown forbidden justus and stamina to pull them off, if the fight drags on, nagato loses

Nagato is freak when it comes to stamina. He was one of the biggest chakra vessels in manga. Mokuton can be easily shattered by Shinra Tensei.

 

[arv993]

did you not see ooze come out of him from that rasengan anyway he claims to be a shell of his former self.rasengan of that size shouldn't
have done that to him.

that was pretty decent attack and he was barely even hurt his arm was oozing idk why but he is by no means fragile cos that rasengan had little effect on him overall.

 

[Blaze Release]

Paradox, although i agree with you that nagato would defeat hashimara, i dont agree with what you said about genjutsu not working on animals. Sasuke cast a genjutsu on manda during his fight with deidora in order to control it

 

[Paradox Ruler]

who the hell told u animals cannot be in genjutsu dude,stop making up bs animals can be put in genjutsu and the summons can all be restrained by mokuton anyway.

stop everything is bs to you seriously.
Because genjutsu affects activity throughout the Prosencephalon structure of the brain, humans, dogs and other species of mammal are therefore all affected by genjutsu; however, the kikaichū, like all insects, lack such a structure to their brains, and so do not even notice it:
the reason why some animals won't be affected by that genjutsu is they lack the struture in their brain

anyway the genjutsu that hashirama uses affects the one it's cast on not the animals

 

[arv993]

stop everything is bs to you seriously.
Because genjutsu affects activity throughout the Prosencephalon structure of the brain, humans, dogs and other species of mammal are therefore all affected by genjutsu; however, the kikaichū, like all insects, lack such a structure to their brains, and so do not even notice it:
the reason why some animals won't be affected by that genjutsu is they lack the struture in their brain

anyway the genjutsu that hashirama uses affects the one it's cast on not the animals

the reaon i said its bs is becos sasuke has already shown that it can be done. animals are not immune to it and u are making baseless statements by saying that they are not affected by it at all. they have a brain dude and they can be affected aka manda who in genjutsu.

 

[Paradox Ruler]

Paradox, although i agree with you that nagato would defeat hashimara, i dont agree with what you said about genjutsu not working on animals. Sasuke cast a genjutsu on manda during his fight with deidora in order to control it

im not talking about all animals but some

 

[arv993]

im not talking about all animals but some

why are nagato's animals special and immune to genjutsu?

 

[Paradox Ruler]

the reaon i said its bs is becos sasuke has already shown that it can be done. animals are not immune to it and u are making baseless statements by saying that they are not affected by it at all. they have a brain dude and they can be affected aka manda who in genjutsu.

shino explained why some animals can't and he even said htat it's a good thing he has bugs because there immuned to it.
you're not getting the fact that genjutsu has to affect that structure to put the person in genjutsu,also to even get out of that genjutsu nagato can use shinra tensai to hit hashirama or nagato can summon animal like the splitting dog after he is cast in the genjutsu so that he can use those dogs to see for him.