Itachi and Nagato CANT be compared...

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How? What I posted about Hiruzen has been said in the manga. Nowhere did I mention anything about Minato. Only the Dead Demon Seal which is a super powerful technique and it was clearly not enough to take the whole Fox with him but he did stop it's attack. Hiruzen used it to seal the 2 Hokages who may I add were not stronger than Hiruzen in his prime according to, well, everyone.




You seem to forget about Kabuto from part one up till now. How far has he come? In part one alone, he was clearly as smart as Kakashi. In part two, he managed to upgrade almost all of Orochimaru's techniques in such a small time. He knows almost everything about Tobi if not more than even us, the readers. Are you saying he's not smart or strategic? Just because Edo Tensei are being destroyed doesn't make him stupid. He negotiated a deal with Tobi ffs, the main villain.

Kabuto caught both Naruto Kyubi Cloak mode and Bee in a matter of seconds by using Nagato where Nagato could not catch Naruto Sage Mode and 9-Tails. Kabuto utilized all of Nagato's skills like he knew them by hand. Please don't tell me that Nagato is a better strategist or tactician. Nagato is a better front-line fighter no doubt but when it comes to tactics, Kabuto wins.



Like I said, there are certain ninjas who can be used very well.



Good. People can finally stop crying about how he was weaker in his Edo form.

agreed kabuto is an excellent strategist and you forgot to mention that he is taking on a whole army obviously he is gonna have some losses especially when numbers are against him and the fact that ppl as OP as naruto are running around.
 

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Think harder.

You seem to forget about Kabuto from part one up till now. How far has he come? In part one alone, he was clearly as smart as Kakashi. In part two, he managed to upgrade almost all of Orochimaru's techniques in such a small time. He knows almost everything about Tobi if not more than even us, the readers. Are you saying he's not smart or strategic? Just because Edo Tensei are being destroyed doesn't make him stupid. He negotiated a deal with Tobi ffs, the main villain.

I didn't said he was stupid. He was an excellent medical nin. But he is too full of himself. How smart he is, is yet to be seen- let's wait till Itachi or somebody from alliance reaches him. Or he really tries to go against Madara.At this time it seems he got himself in hot soup.

Kabuto caught both Naruto Kyubi Cloak mode and Bee in a matter of seconds by using Nagato where Nagato could not catch Naruto Sage Mode and 9-Tails. Kabuto utilized all of Nagato's skills like he knew them by hand. Please don't tell me that Nagato is a better strategist or tactician. Nagato is a better front-line fighter no doubt but when it comes to tactics, Kabuto wins.

Nagato was a different personality and had a different goal. He also, had fought Jiraiya(making rain in amegakure) travelled to konoha , destroyed Konoha and then Naruto came along with frogs. Nagato had used up quite a bit of his chakra by that time. Still, he had taken Naruto. He didn't lose to Naruto because of lack of strategy or tact. He chose to.

Unlike Madara Nagato was really looking for peace. He was a reluctant leader, who took the position when Yahiko died to fulfill his dream not his own. He wanted to talk to Naruto. he could have killed or taken naruto when he had pinned him down instead of trying to have discussion. But, that's what he wanted.. He was looking for solution and I give him points for it. Madara thought he had him in his pocket but he proved that Uchiha grandpa was wrong.

Despite everything , in the end he chose to revive Konoha with last bit of chakra. he could have very well taken Naruto still if he could have that much stamina for Naruto just fell down after he came out of there..and Nagato had Konan to help him out.

Good. People can finally stop crying about how he was weaker in his Edo form.

He was not weaker off course. But he was not the one fighting either. It was kabuto- I assume you read the relevant manga where Kishi made it 100% clear that it was itachi V/s Kabuto with a puppet nagato. Just like chhiyo Vs Sasori with kazikage puppet.
 

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Think harder.

How about you provide me with the exact details instead of acting like a douche?

I didn't said he was stupid. He was an excellent medical nin. But he is too full of himself. How smart he is, is yet to be seen- let's wait till Itachi or somebody from alliance reaches him. Or he really tries to go against Madara.At this time it seems he got himself in hot soup.

We can wait for that part when it comes. As of right now, he seems like he is outclassed by only few of the best tacticians in the manga and Nagato is clearly not one of them.

Nagato was a different personality and had a different goal. He also, had fought Jiraiya(making rain in amegakure) travelled to konoha , destroyed Konoha and then Naruto came along with frogs. Nagato had used up quite a bit of his chakra by that time. Still, he had taken Naruto. He didn't lose to Naruto because of lack of strategy or tact. He chose to.

Unlike Madara Nagato was really looking for peace. He was a reluctant leader, who took the position when Yahiko died to fulfill his dream not his own. He wanted to talk to Naruto. he could have killed or taken naruto when he had pinned him down instead of trying to have discussion. But, that's what he wanted.. He was looking for solution and I give him points for it. Madara thought he had him in his pocket but he proved that Uchiha grandpa was wrong.

Despite everything , in the end he chose to revive Konoha with last bit of chakra. he could have very well taken Naruto still if he could have that much stamina for Naruto just fell down after he came out of there..and Nagato had Konan to help him out.

Wtf did I just read? Why are you telling me Nagato's life story? All I said was Kabuto is a better strategist hence he had better control of Nagato's actions. Why in the world are you telling me about Nagato's goals?

Nagato plain out wanted everyone dead in Konoha the moment he stepped in. He changed his mind at the end, after Naruto destroyed God Realm and used Talk-No-Jutsu. He did not lose on purpose. He was clearly trying to capture Naruto up until the end. Compare that fight with the one that just happened with Kabuto in control, he caught Naruto AND Bee at the same time in seconds. Naruto and Bee were both stronger than before too :).

He was not weaker off course. But he was not the one fighting either. It was kabuto- I assume you read the relevant manga where Kishi made it 100% clear that it was itachi V/s Kabuto with a puppet nagato. Just like chhiyo Vs Sasori with kazikage puppet.

Yes, I know. This puppet Nagato was far better than the real Nagato any day. Add Edo Tensei body to that and you got an extremely strong ninja. I'm not sure how you think Nagato could have done better by himself when he clearly did not the 1st time around.

Nagato was enough to capture both Bee and Naruto and if Itachi had not broken free, they would have both been captured. Kabuto's tactics were just great, too bad Itachi was there :).
 
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Did you mean "typical"?

If you're going to throw out insults, at least learn to spell before you do it, moron. Raging and insulting people with useless posts like those tells us how much more you have to contribute, it also shows how you treat others when threads don't go the way you want them to. Add something relevant or don't post at all.



"You're right".



The 3rd Hokage was known to be the strongest Hokage out of all 5. He was known as the "God Of Shinobi" and acknowledged to be the strongest in his prime by Kabuto, Orochimaru, Iruka and many others. He didn't defeat the dead Hokages, he simply sealed them and sealed himself with a super powerful jutsu that was only used in the manga twice. Were you surprised?

Nagato isn't too bright. Kabuto's intelligence helped him capture both Bee and Naruto and I know that Nagato couldn't have done this by himself. Why? Because he couldn't do it in the past, even with his 6 bodies and that was only going up against Naruto. We actually saw what Nagato was capable of when Kabuto was controlling him. His Edo form also allowed him to regenerate and escape death more than twice :). I would stop crying about him being weaker as Naruto basically stated that he was way FASTER and STRONGER than when he previously fought him.

Do I think Kabuto is smarter than Nagato? Sure, he smarter than most of the ninja in the series. But calling Nagato stupid? *facepalm*
 

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Do I think Kabuto is smarter than Nagato? Sure, he smarter than most of the ninja in the series. But calling Nagato stupid? *facepalm*

I tried CTRL + F to find my post with the word "stupid" in it and "Nagato" but nothing pops up. Where did you see this?

I did, however, say he wasn't too bright. I meant he isn't as smart as Kabuto.
 

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People saying now Nagato is smart?, woah fanboys are getting into a whole new level.
 

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People saying now Nagato is smart?, woah fanboys are getting into a whole new level.

yes some ppl think he is better than even the current madara

lol
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nagato has smart tatics but if you don't want tobelieve it's up to you
 

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lol
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nagato has smart tatics but if you don't want tobelieve it's up to you

did i say nagato is not smart i believe him to be quite smart but not at quite at the lvl of itachi, kabuto, shikamaru or madara.
 

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yes some ppl think he is better than even the current madara

Exactly, Which i couldnt believe
And rememeber when they started saying he's resistant to Genjutsu...xdLMAO.

Nagato fans sure have said some of the most CRAZIEST Shit, to defend nagato.
 

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Exactly, Which i couldnt believe
And rememeber when they started saying he's resistant to Genjutsu...xdLMAO.

Nagato fans sure have said some of the most CRAZIEST Shit, to defend nagato.

not only does it not make sense in the terms of the abilities both have shown but it would be so illogical in the series if madara was weaker than nagato cos he was confident in his plan to take on the alliance with his powers and zetsus b4 kabuto came in and he is the main villain at that he is not gonna go down nearly at the diffuculty in which they took out nagato, but other than that he has already shown many abilities capable of beating nagato and he has a set of new abilities now. and not mention if he were that stronger why was he not scared of him at all when kabuto showed him so many things point out that he is weaker than madara.
 

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Exactly, Which i couldnt believe
And rememeber when they started saying he's resistant to Genjutsu...xdLMAO.

Nagato fans sure have said some of the most CRAZIEST Shit, to defend nagato.
oh sure but atleast there proof instead of saying susanna is a ghost that's why it's invincible and can block a oro snake right
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:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
 

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oh sure but atleast there proof instead of saying susanna is a ghost that's why it's invincible and can block a oro snake right
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:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

who ever said sussano is a ghost and i almost loled when u said susana. and all of them use proof come on get serious there are fanboys for almost every strong character yes some of them are gonna say bs stuff on this forum.
 

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this is kinda funny being that itachi fanboys were already pawned in the itachi vs nagato thread.
 

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I've just got back on the base and I've noticed alot of Itachi/Nagato vs threads.. such as raikage's, minato ect.. I just have to let everyone know.. as Kabuto IS the USER of the Impure World Resurrection I think he know what he's talkin bout.. plus he worked under a genius known as orochimaru.. so i htink he knows alot bout previous shinobi. Kabuto specifacilly stated THAT both ITACHI and NAGATO are his two STRONGEST summoning other then the last coffin (meaning he HAS no other summoning stronger then those two).. (Put the last coffin to the side for now) Itachi and Nagato ARE his two best strongest shinobi which is why he wanted to use those two to capture the 8 and 9 tails at the same time (which would have worked mind you if it weren't for Itachi's geniusness) So everyone please stop makin new threads with itach vs raikage or nagato vs anyone.. because THEY cant be COMPARED to.. If the 3rd raikage was stronger he would have used him instead of them to try and capture 8 or 9 tails.. but he didnt bcuz bee and naruto would have won together.. No other shinobi not even Madara could stand up agaisnt Itachi (stated by Madara himself) meaning that Itachi is overall stronger than every previous kage alongside nagato "since the 1st was the strongest hokage"..(and madara admits he NEVER lost to the 1st hokage.. He merely pretended to lose to gain his DNA in order to perform the ability Izanagi stated here.



so people please stop thinkin the 1st was STRONGER then Madara.. simple fact is he wasnt Madara wanted his DNA to perform the Izanagi

These are the two prodigies of the shippuden series.. Itachi was the Uchiha Pride.. and ELITE clan feared by all.. who all praised ONE man "Itachi"..

Nagato has rinnegon nuff said.. The strongest Dojutsu that the sharigan cant even beat..

So everyone please stop makin pointless threads the 1st couldnt beat madara.. Itachi can meaning Itachi is stronger then the 1st and also the rest of the bunch and nagato is up there with Itachi so NO MORE.. Itachi and Nagato are the strongest shinobi to walk the world next to the SO6P himself and now MADARA'S current form.. Since he has EMS, Izanagi, Time-Space, Rineggon and all same abilities as young complete Nagato..

Comment please bcuz people need to realize that itachi nor Nagato cant be compared to not even to JMAN, ORO, Minato none of them are a match for either one of these two...

Also, I kno peeps might bring up the battle between Itachi/Kisame vs JMAN well Itachi wanted to protect Konoha so why would he force or let anyone know he can defeat him? Just doesnt makes sense... Itachi's secret was only known by the 3rd, Danzo and the two elders not even JMAN knew.. so JMAN wouldnt even understand why Itachi was the way he was..

Well said. :)
 

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How about you provide me with the exact details instead of acting like a douche?

How about I simple call you an idiot? Saracasms have to be understood or left alone.

We can wait for that part when it comes. As of right now, he seems like he is outclassed by only few of the best tacticians in the manga and Nagato is clearly not one of them.

We do not have much info about Nagato's tactical abilities. In his battle with Jiraiya he did alright as well as with Naruto who is a tactical genius himself. He was running Akatsuki quite smoothly and handling hardenned criminals quite well and effectively. On can argue that Madara was behind the idea of the organisation but, there is nothing to prove that it was he accepting planning or carrying out the mission.


Wtf did I just read? Why are you telling me Nagato's life story? All I said was Kabuto is a better strategist hence he had better control of Nagato's actions. Why in the world are you telling me about Nagato's goals?

Because you cannot analyze anyone's abilities unless you understand them. Nagato's goal was different than kabuto so his action and implementation of his tech was according to that.

Nagato plain out wanted everyone dead in Konoha the moment he stepped in. He changed his mind at the end, after Naruto destroyed God Realm and used Talk-No-Jutsu. He did not lose on purpose. He was clearly trying to capture Naruto up until the end. Compare that fight with the one that just happened with Kabuto in control, he caught Naruto AND Bee at the same time in seconds. Naruto and Bee were both stronger than before too :).

Nagato wanted Naruto the moment he stepped in. He may or may not have destroyed kOnoha- he went for shinera tensei when he saw Tsunade gathering chakra at her feet- basically going for attack.

As for rest.. If you are set for an argument nothing can be said.. to each his own. I have my own opinion. you keep yours.

Yes, I know. This puppet Nagato was far better than the real Nagato any day. Add Edo Tensei body to that and you got an extremely strong ninja. I'm not sure how you think Nagato could have done better by himself when he clearly did not the 1st time around.

I'm sure puppets are better anyday. :| Especially if there is a chance that they have a consicous. Nagato did better by himself the first time - he had taken better safe guard and strategy. I wonder if you realise that even Konan could have captured Naruto at that point for he was exhausted as well. Nagato didn't need to sacrifice himself for konoha and all that..He didn't lost. He chose to die.

Nagato was enough to capture both Bee and Naruto and if Itachi had not broken free, they would have both been captured. Kabuto's tactics were just great, too bad Itachi was there :).

Because of Nagato's skills and nobody elses and Kabuto got him sealed. Too bad that Itachi had fed Naruto Shisui's eye with "save Konoha program".
 
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I see that "Relax" is on here and waiting for a reply. Oh!!!! :eek: Wait! There is none!!?


Its Understanable.U_U

Understandable? What I can't understand is the brick wall you posted with many spelling/grammar errors. I don't know why you are trying to rage and insult people over a VS thread, quite pathetic. We all are entitled to our own opinions, which you can't change unless someone believes in what you say, I didn't rage in the previous post at you because I understand your point even tho most was assumptions but you fail to realize others.

I might have cam off a lil bit strong but all my point a mst accurate, factual, and true. and I'v re-provin it thanks to your argument. The I wont call then bais; will say that you said what the thead post said in more of an well put arugument. but failed. "End_Credit".U_U

Accurate? Facts? It's all opinions and a fan boys view on the topic, so quit saying you have facts at all in this. However I'll say that you and others do bring up good arguments on Nagato's part but majority of it is assumtion/opinions. I always say most my statements are personally opinions or assumption and if I can back it up I'll post links.


Flaw; you are swoping out words to make your point. Here, let me show you

Madara gave him creadit for his peperation. he then saids that he was fortunet that Itachi didnt no all of his abillities and that """ if I hadn't, I'd be dead right now""" .



put your glasses on. lol

He never said Itachi could win against, but that his secret stoped him from dying at that instant from that sudden suprise by him and shows just how perpared Madara is (all the time). Nagato clearly stated that he would be defeated (in a battle) if J man new his techs. The point, my friend, is that Madara never said it or in a battle with Itachi, he would loss. That wasnt Itachi but his rigged up amaterasu.

The dead Itachi prepared to take Madara out, but didn't have intel and if he did,Madara would have been dead. So, if the real Itachi came face to face Madara with preparation he couldn't defeat him? (take note that he would know all there is about Madara). Nagato stated Jiriaya would have defeated him, not killed, if he knew about his techs. A dead Itachi, if he knew about Madara's tech would have killed him. I see, the same thing except Jiriaya would only defeat, where as Itachi would have killed.

"That wasnt Itachi but his rigged up amaterasu." LOL:flaw:

Please come with a better argument.


yea, I think he made that point in the "Itachi vs Nagato" thread in wich we owned it.:cool:

Owned? haha I think otherwise this war between the two is still going on.



The fact is douchebag is that a crippled guy being controlled by a noob would of killed/captured all of them without them helping each other.Being controlled majorly effects your strength the 3rd hokage as a old man was able to beat the 1st and 2nd hokage so get real

Umadbro? You sound like a 10 year old kid.

The funny thing is, if Nagato controlled by Kabuto did capture them all you would give all the credit to Nagato and none to Kabuto but the fact Nagato failed you blame Kabuto. 3rd struggled against the first and second, like you Nagato fans stated, "Itachi didn't defeated Nagato but sealed him." News flash, 3rd sealed the first and second also sacrificing his life to do so.

i kow what you're saying and i acknowledge what itachi did bt he only did that because nagato is going against the other 2 naruto and bee

when itachi asked for all 3 of them to help them so that he can destroy it, it is because he knows when he's in tight situation he needs help so he asked them for help.
now some of you guys would of asked why wouldn't he when naruto and bee were with him
relize how strong the dense ball is and he analizes the situation and then says lets atttack it with our strongest attacks meaning he knew his own attack won't stop.

I understand what you are trying to say but you still can't see where I'm coming from.

When Nagato tech. was first introduce and we saw 8 tailed kyuubi trying to escape but couldn't I thought that attack was amazing. We than later, found out that it can be brought down, as recent manga states. My point is, the manga hasn't said that it cannot be brought down with one attack but it also doesn't state it can, so when someone says Itachi, Bee or Naruto can bring it down alone, it's just an assumption/opinion, as we don't know and when you deny it, also an assumption/opinion.

Answer this for me, manga states (by Zetsu), Itachi Susano'o with shield is invincible and can repel any attack, but Nagato fan think otherwise and have their assumption but yet cry over the fact that Itachi fan post an assumption they believe in.


Anyways, I didn't cover some points here but they were all assumpyion/opinion from a fans point of view and I am not here to change peoples mind, so whatever they believe go ahead but please quit saying you are providing accurate points/facts, when you are just talking from a fans point of view.
 

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this is kinda funny being that itachi fanboys were already pawned in the itachi vs nagato thread.

Actually they wasent, atleast most of the Itachi fans Actually Showed proof from the manga and Logic, instead of saying biased stuff, like nagato is immune to Genjutsu. Seriously most of yall kept screaming "SHinra tensei" and stuff. And none of yall referred to an actual event in the Anime/Manga, instead, yall blurt out stuff that yall "think". For example: Yall said "The real nagato has no 5 second interval, only the deva path does" One of yall said that, because that was something yall "WANTED" to be true.
 

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this is kinda funny being that itachi fanboys were already pawned in the itachi vs nagato thread.

yea sure believe what you want idc but how did nagato fans win no one did this is a thread where ppl use logic to see who is better or use proof from the manga which many nagato fans did not do and said things like nagato is unbeatable ppl have no one has ever really concretely proven it wrong, he is the strongest chracter and is immune to pretty much everything but he is very strong i acknowledge that. but not good enough to beat Itachi IMO but also has the ability to be beat itachi but madara in the current form is just ridiculous and some ppl believe it blindly and for counter arguments just use stupid reasoning and make him seem unbeatable like nagato can catch madara with his human path even though the attack is slow or his asura path when all those things are actually gonna just pass through him.
 
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Actually they wasent, atleast most of the Itachi fans Actually Showed proof from the manga and Logic, instead of saying biased stuff, like nagato is immune to Genjutsu. Seriously most of yall kept screaming "SHinra tensei" and stuff. And none of yall referred to an actual event in the Anime/Manga, instead, yall blurt out stuff that yall "think". For example: Yall said "The real nagato has no 5 second interval, only the deva path does" One of yall said that, because that was something yall "WANTED" to be true.

i personally did not say nagato was immune to genjustu, what i did indicated was that nagato was caught in a soundbase gen-jutsu, and not a vision base, like that of tsukuyomi so declaring that nagato's defeat by tsukuyomi is guaranteed is pure assumption made in to a fact itachi fanboys.

fyi most of us actually had facts as to support our claims.
 
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