Question on Souma No Kou Bio's.

[-Yard-]

Ok, so apparently if you are fused together you can't perform two jutsus at once because people say that they are "one". I find this a little weird seeing as how when sakon and ukon fused, Ukon could sprout limbs from Sakon's body and there's even a list of Taijutsu that include this. So, it doesn't make sense that they are "one" body when fused if they move their cells around and not to mention that their chakra networks aren't fused. Take Kakazu for example, he could create bodies from threads that were apart of him and they could all use jutsu and take advantage of the hearts of the shinobi warriors kakazu killed. With that being said, if two souma no kou users fuse then you should be able to use jutsu subcutaneously Even if their chakra networks were fused, it's not as if when one user uses a jutsu, their chakra turns to the elemental chakra of that jutsu. That was pointed out in another thread as well. So, if two fuse, they should be able to use two jutsus at once. And if they DO share a chakra network when fused, the jutsu that they can use simultaneously should be restricted to maybe A rank since they share a chakra network, thus sharing the chakra that the chakra system of nb allows a member of certain ranks to have. Theres also a jutsu where a Souma no kou user will go into the opponents body and damages their organs, changes proteins ect. So, how can they be "one" person? If their cells are fused completely then how can Ukon sprout limbs that were from his body? It seems they're not Completely fused and should be able to perform jutsus as separate beings.
Ever seen dbz when two people fuse? They fuse to the point of becoming a separate being and even their personalities and voices fuse which is all correct as to how fusing with someone should work. So if an snk bio fuses with the twin, shouldn't he/she not be able to sprout limbs from their body? Wouldn't their bodies at least change a little? Even stamina/strength and speed wise?
I saw none of that when sakon and ukon fought kiba. So, if they can sprout two arms like how kakazu can, and if they can actually sprout arms, they should be able to use jutsu. Even if they share a chakra network or not. If kakazu can do it, why can't a souma no kou bio? It just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Gingka Uzumaki]

Nice question.

 

[-Yard-]

Nice question.

Spam much?

 

[Black Butler]

Yes. *Spam* :| You trying to get Oped Yardy?

 

[-Yard-]

Yes. *Spam* :| You trying to get Oped Yardy?

lol not really. This would mean that if fused, they can't use techs like nagashi or they will damage the twin xd

 

[Scorps]

Ok, so apparently if you are fused together you can't perform two jutsus at once because people say that they are "one". I find this a little weird seeing as how when sakon and ukon fused, Ukon could sprout limbs from Sakon's body and there's even a list of Taijutsu that include this. So, it doesn't make sense that they are "one" body when fused if they move their cells around and not to mention that their chakra networks aren't fused.(1) Take Kakazu for example, he could create bodies from threads that were apart of him and they could all use jutsu and take advantage of the hearts of the shinobi warriors kakazu killed. (2) With that being said, if two souma no kou users fuse then you should be able to use jutsu subcutaneously Even if their chakra networks were fused, it's not as if when one user uses a jutsu, their chakra turns to the elemental chakra of that jutsu. That was pointed out in another thread as well. So, if two fuse, they should be able to use two jutsus at once. And if they DO share a chakra network when fused, the jutsu that they can use simultaneously should be restricted to maybe A rank since they share a chakra network, thus sharing the chakra that the chakra system of nb allows a member of certain ranks to have. (3) Theres also a jutsu where a Souma no kou user will go into the opponents body and damages their organs, changes proteins ect. So, how can they be "one" person? If their cells are fused completely then how can Ukon sprout limbs that were from his body? It seems they're not Completely fused and should be able to perform jutsus as separate beings.
Ever seen dbz when two people fuse? They fuse to the point of becoming a separate being and even their personalities and voices fuse which is all correct as to how fusing with someone should work. So if an snk bio fuses with the twin, shouldn't he/she not be able to sprout limbs from their body? Wouldn't their bodies at least change a little? Even stamina/strength and speed wise?
I saw none of that when sakon and ukon fought kiba. So, if they can sprout two arms like how kakazu can, and if they can actually sprout arms, they should be able to use jutsu. Even if they share a chakra network or not. If kakazu can do it, why can't a souma no kou bio? It just doesn't make sense to me (4).

Well, let me share my 2 cents on this:

1) If their chakra networks weren't fused they wouldn't be able to share both their stamina and regain strenght from on an others bodies. The dorment, passive half, gets his stamina from the lifeforce of his brother. This indicates that their chakra networks and life force are merged. The fact that they can use taijutsu moves as different entities is related to the fact that they both retain their individual personalities and can act independent from on an other on physical moves. But taijutsu doesn't require you to mold chakra, shape and nature manipulate it and release it as ninjutsu. So the fact that they share a chakra network doesn't affect that at all.

2)Kakuzu could indeed use multiple jutsu with said bodies...once they separated. SNK should also be able to do the same: separate and use multiple jutsu at once. Simple. Kakuzu was able to use those chakra natures because he picked his hearts and made separate entities that were independent of him and able to use jutsu as clones would. Once merged with him, you don't see him doing multiple jutsu at once. Wrong reasoning there.

3) Don't quite get your reasoning on this point. Their chakra is merged...and is subdue to their dominant side. He is the one that uses jutsu and controls the chakra network. The dorment side can in fact sprout arms, legs, etc while fused but that is part of the fusing and unfusing ability and doesn't mean that it can actually use a jutsu at the same time as the dominant side. If this were true you would have seen Ukon and Sakon use this to their advantage. The only thing they did was unmerge to increase their numbers and act accordinly. Once merged they are as one: one chakra system, one body but two entities. If this weren't true, why would they ever need to unmerge? Their strenght merged would be far stronger. Even when Ukon merged with Kiba he took damage and left his body when the threat was big enough to fear for his life, meaning that even when he was merged with Kiba he shared in Kiba's chakra.

4) Yes. Kakuzu can use multiple jutsu at once...when unmerged from his hearts... So SNK should also be able to do the exact same thing according to your reasoning: use multiple jutsu while unmerged. Simple. Also, kakuzu's body was a multitude of threads...not a normal biological body. The fact that he can grow limbs and such is completly incomparable to SNKs abilities as no similarity exist.

Also, just to further prove you wrong, in the manga they are both seen doing a technique but must do it at the same time to do it...when separated.

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So, perhaps one can further infer that they actually share their chakra system even if separated and can only perform one jutsu through the colaboration of both of them.

 

[-Yard-]

Well, let me share my 2 cents on this:

1) If their chakra networks weren't fused they wouldn't be able to share both their stamina and regain strenght from on an others bodies. The dorment, passive half, gets his stamina from the lifeforce of his brother. This indicates that their chakra networks and life force are merged. The fact that they can use taijutsu moves as different entities is related to the fact that they both retain their individual personalities and can act independent from on an other on physical moves. But taijutsu doesn't require you to mold chakra, shape and nature manipulate it and release it as ninjutsu. So the fact that they share a chakra network doesn't affect that at all.


2)Kakuzu could indeed use multiple jutsu with said bodies...once they separated. SNK should also be able to do the same: separate and use multiple jutsu at once. Simple. Kakuzu was able to use those chakra natures because he picked his hearts and made separate entities that were independent of him and able to use jutsu as clones would. Once merged with him, you don't see him doing multiple jutsu at once. Wrong reasoning there.

3) Don't quite get your reasoning on this point. Their chakra is merged...and is subdue to their dominant side. He is the one that uses jutsu and controls the chakra network. The dorment side can in fact sprout arms, legs, etc while fused but that is part of the fusing and unfusing ability and doesn't mean that it can actually use a jutsu at the same time as the dominant side. If this were true you would have seen Ukon and Sakon use this to their advantage. The only thing they did was unmerge to increase their numbers and act accordinly. Once merged they are as one: one chakra system, one body but two entities. If this weren't true, why would they ever need to unmerge? Their strenght merged would be far stronger. Even when Ukon merged with Kiba he took damage and left his body when the threat was big enough to fear for his life, meaning that even when he was merged with Kiba he shared in Kiba's chakra.

4) Yes. Kakuzu can use multiple jutsu at once...when unmerged from his hearts... So SNK should also be able to do the exact same thing according to your reasoning: use multiple jutsu while unmerged. Simple. Also, kakuzu's body was a multitude of threads...not a normal biological body. The fact that he can grow limbs and such is completly incomparable to SNKs abilities as no similarity exist.

Also, just to further prove you wrong, in the manga they are both seen doing a technique but must do it at the same time to do it...when separated.

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So, perhaps one can further infer that they actually share their chakra system even if separated and can only perform one jutsu through the colaboration of both of them.

1) It doesn't matter if they still keep different personalities. If you fuse with someone, then you automatically lose your body as it's fused with that person and even their cells are fused. So, if one can sprout his/her arms out from the host, that's not really a fusion.Of course taijutsu doesn't require the molding of chakra, I only said taijutsu as they have taijutsu on the list that proves that they can sprout limbs. I never said anything about the chakra network being needed for taijutsu



2)Kakazu's creatures used a technique when merged. It was wind and fire blast technique so how can you say that they had to be separate to perform jutsu? You even said you don't see him using multiple jutsus at once, wind and fire blast, they were merged, one used intelligent hard work aka intense pain and one used severing pressure in unison of the other so that just proved you wrong on that part.

3) No, when merged, he could feel any pain that kiba had because his cells were fused with kiba. Kiba drew a kunai and stabbed himself in the stomach, guessing Ukon would feel it too. Ukon then screamed in pain from it.


4) Sakon got his arm and leg chopped off from kibas spinning jutsu what ever and regrew it instantly 0_0 So you just said they can't do stuff like that?

When fused sakon and ukon both activated their curse marks, not at the same time. So, no they don't have to perform a technique in unison. Put it this way. They are separated, but they keep their right and left foot fused. Do they share a chakra network? Id think not. But my thoughts act as, they aren't completely fused if Ukon still has a body to sprout limbs with.

 

[Scorps]

1) It doesn't matter if they still keep different personalities. If you fuse with someone, then you automatically lose your body as it's fused with that person and even their cells are fused. So, if one can sprout his/her arms out from the host, that's not really a fusion.Of course taijutsu doesn't require the molding of chakra, I only said taijutsu as they have taijutsu on the list that proves that they can sprout limbs. I never said anything about the chakra network being needed for taijutsu



2)Kakazu's creatures used a technique when merged. It was wind and fire blast technique so how can you say that they had to be separate to perform jutsu? You even said you don't see him using multiple jutsus at once, wind and fire blast, they were merged, one used intelligent hard work aka intense pain and one used severing pressure in unison of the other so that just proved you wrong on that part.

3) No, when merged, he could feel any pain that kiba had because his cells were fused with kiba. Kiba drew a kunai and stabbed himself in the stomach, guessing Ukon would feel it too. Ukon then screamed in pain from it.


4) Sakon got his arm and leg chopped off from kibas spinning jutsu what ever and regrew it instantly 0_0 So you just said they can't do stuff like that?

When fused sakon and ukon both activated their curse marks, not at the same time. So, no they don't have to perform a technique in unison. Put it this way. They are separated, but they keep their right and left foot fused. Do they share a chakra network? Id think not. But my thoughts act as, they aren't completely fused if Ukon still has a body to sprout limbs with.

This is obviously a matter for great discussion, but i honestly think that once fused they share their chakra system and can't use simultaneous jutsu. Nothing in the Manga proves that they can and if they could, Orochimaru would have chosen their body(s) as a vessel or they would have shown greater abilities. I honestly don't see it that way. Kakuzu was a special ninja. His hearts outside his body were just like tools. He could merge them and combine them into different manners. In some games he is shown combining 4 into 1 to shoot a giant 4 natured blast. It was an ability inherant to him. And seen in the manga/anime.

And even if it was possible, it would pose a great change in our RP: your first move, the incontested move that has to happen according to the time rule, could be 2 Forbidden ranks. If so, your opponent couldn't block it as he can only perform 1 jutsu...unless he was also a SNK. In the RP that defeats the Time rule and makes it very difficult to allow. And furthermore when in the Manga there isn't a concret proof that they could do that or use jutsu like that.

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[Migualon J.J.]

This is obviously a matter for great discussion, but i honestly think that once fused they share their chakra system and can't use simultaneous jutsu. Nothing in the Manga proves that they can and if they could, Orochimaru would have chosen their body(s) as a vessel or they would have shown greater abilities. I honestly don't see it that way. Kakuzu was a special ninja. His hearts outside his body were just like tools. He could merge them and combine them into different manners. In some games he is shown combining 4 into 1 to shoot a giant 4 natured blast. It was an ability inherant to him. And seen in the manga/anime.

And even if it was possible, it would pose a great change in our RP: your first move, the incontested move that has to happen according to the time rule, could be 2 Forbidden ranks. If so, your opponent couldn't block it as he can only perform 1 jutsu...unless he was also a SNK. In the RP that defeats the Time rule and makes it very difficult to allow. And furthermore when in the Manga there isn't a concret proof that they could do that or use jutsu like that.

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they could still use Sub (if it´s allowed) or they could use Hidden Like A Mole Technique, or Hurricane Fist

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who would actually want to win fight in 1st turn? no fun at all

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still, you can always seperate easily, right? so than you can use 2 jutsus at once, right?

 

[Tenzo.]

they could still use Sub (if it´s allowed) or they could use Hidden Like A Mole Technique, or Hurricane Fist

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who would actually want to win fight in 1st turn? no fun at all

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still, you can always seperate easily, right? so than you can use 2 jutsus at once, right?

Your addicted with '+' aren't you?

 

[Sakon]

Okay if I`m correct, you are asking if they are fuse or not. They aren`t "fuse", as in DBZ. They can use two jutsus at the same time. Why do you think Ukon can attack from a different way if they was fuse. Everybody on here knows they can unless they think about to hard.

 

[Taiketsu Yagami]

I dont understand what the big deal is. Why not just unfuse and perform the attacks seperately? Aren't the only bonuses u get out of fusing is being immune to genjutsu?

 

[Scorps]

I dont understand what the big deal is. Why not just unfuse and perform the attacks seperately? Aren't the only bonuses u get out of fusing is being immune to genjutsu?

Because unfusing can be seen as an agressive act and then you can't make a awesome jutsu combo almost unblockable in the first move... LOL ^^

By unfusing your opponent can make clones right away and then the battle becomes equal...

 

[The_Empire]

They can perform two jutsus even if they aren`t two bodies. Gats does it all the time and he is the ultimate SnK user. Also in the manga they show it so quit thinking about hard.

 

[Scorps]

They can perform two jutsus even if they aren`t two bodies. Gats does it all the time and he is the ultimate SnK user. Also in the manga they show it so quit thinking about hard.

They do? I looked for it and couldn't find it... :| Can you link me?

 

[-Yard-]

They can perform two jutsus even if they aren`t two bodies. Gats does it all the time and he is the ultimate SnK user. Also in the manga they show it so quit thinking about hard.

I'm trying to prove they can as in one match I had I was told that they couldn't by an rp mod.

 

[The_Empire]

It has been done 1000 times in the rp by Gats and Toku who are SnK users and the most experience. I see no reason why they can`t. Sakon and Ukon have their own chakra system and even if they are together their system isn`t together. If they was then how could Ukon form hands and legs out of the body. Plus I can see if they was attach to a different person bio which Ukon said something about being together with the person he is attach to but never said he was attach to his bro.

My head hurts now from thinking hard and I think part of this doesn`t make sense but in my head it does.

 

[-Yard-]

It has been done 1000 times in the rp by Gats and Toku who are SnK users and the most experience. I see no reason why they can`t. Sakon and Ukon have their own chakra system and even if they are together their system isn`t together. If they was then how could Ukon form hands and legs out of the body. Plus I can see if they was attach to a different person bio which Ukon said something about being together with the person he is attach to but never said he was attach to his bro.

My head hurts now from thinking hard and I think part of this doesn`t make sense but in my head it does.

Now heres an even more tricky one xd If people are saying that they completely fuse, then what if they start unfused, they activate their curse marks and then fuse? They would have double the power if they really do completely fuse. And if they don't then you can't count them as "one" being but 2 separate beings xd Now what if they are fused, then they make 4 clones and they all on fuse? Would you then have 8 clones on the field? xD

They are honestly less op'ed imo if they remain two bodies when fused and makes sense as ukon couldn't sprout limbs from a body he doesn't have anymore if they fused xd as there are a group of loopholes to be considered with modes/techniques if they can fuse completely.
Imagine the 6th sense xd

 

[Phobos]

wasn't you told by a mod (Mugi I guess) that they have separated chakra etc, and because of that you killed yourself with your lightning cj?

though killing yourself like that doesn't make a sense to me... it is the same with nagashi, if it would really work like that then you couldn't kill you clones with nagashi because they have the same chakra, which is BS imo

 

[The_Empire]

Ouch my head hurt, why :T_T: Yard, whyyyyy?

Well Sakon and Ukon both have a CM on their forhead. But when they fused back together they CM stay active but if one goes to sleep their CM deactives but the other CM stays active. I don`t think they power is together so their power doesn`t go up twice but stays they same as in different bodies.

Yard, I`m going to get you. My head hurts now even worse.