Konoha's Eltie 5 vs 5 Members Of Akatsuki
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lebronisbetterthenkobe
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i think u overpowered team akasuki a little to much having madara on there because its always gunna take more then 1 person to beat him unless u added the first hokage. also its unfair not putting the 3rd in his prime because i think most the akatsuki 5 would beat him in his old age except kakuzu. and kakashi doesnt stand much of a chance considering it was hard enough beating kakuzuu wen he had teammate with him
EliteKakashi
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The 4th can take Madara.
And Kakashi was hindered, not helped by teammates vs Kakuzu. Did you not see how much chakra he wasted by saving everyone?
EliteKakashi
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idk wat all that fanboy shit is but it sounds disrespectful. so please be easy.. and he wouldn't chance trying to use a genjutsu in the presence of them all. and if that was the case he would have did it to j-man when him and kisame met up with naruto and jman at that inn. so if tsukuyomi was efficient enough to use against them he would have just did it to j-man
EliteKakashi
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Interesting..
Minato has proven he can take Madara on..not sure who would win in an all out battle.
Kakashi + Naruto vs Itachi? I would have to give that to Naruto and Kakashi. Naruto's new "kyuubi mode" is godly. I'm not sure he'd need Kakashi.
Jiraiya could take Kisame and Kakuzu, IMO. He took down 3 of Pain's paths, he can take down those two.
Hiruzen vs Pain, yeah, I'd probably give to Pain. But with Hiruzen having knowledge, I think it'd be interesting.
Mr PLATINUM
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we dont really know what madara can do either with the rinnegan. yet you still allow it but not hashirama and tobirama?
EliteKakashi
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Madara has shown things in the past, though. He's shown techniques, fought vs Minato, etc. All we've seen from the first two hokages is them struggling to fight an old Hiruzen. And they didn't show very many techniques when doing that.
EliteKakashi
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Agree with me? On what? He hasn't even mentioned Sasori to my knowledge, you know, given Sasori isn't even in this fight. So again, unless you want to be mature about the subject, don't post. I have no issues with people disagreeing with me or thinking I'm stupid for that matter, but if you're going to call me those things, at least do it on the topic at hand. Call me stupid for thinking Hiruzen in his old age can put up a fight vs Pain, hell, I don't care. Just make it something about the topic.
Rinnegan+EMS is too much for anyone, Madara is the villain for a reason. In fact most people think that an EMS Sasuke+Kyuubi Naruto will be required to take him down.
There's no way the yondaime can take on both Naruto+Sasuke.
Kakashi is strong, very strong but against Itachi's MS, Kakashi is too weak. Itachi can take him out with a tsukuyomi. Naruto also, he's too simple minded and dumb to beat a wise Itachi, he also has no defense against any genjutsu that stems from Itachi's Sharingan, tsukuyomi particularly.
Without SM to start Jiraiya is in trouble, Kisame would be too much. Kisame+Kakuzu goes overboard.
Hiruzen can't defeat Pain. A Pain intent to kill with full reserves of chakra is too much. Not to mention Nagato is still there at the end of the line.
Madara + Nagato are the biggest problems. Madara could use s/t and negate any opponents attack, he can revive people who've died or replenish their chakra if Samehada isn't willing to do that.
Team Akatsuki wins
I doubt he can.
When he uses Sharingan it takes a lot out of him, MS is pretty much suicide in Kakashi case his limit is is one and even than it takes a lot of him him, if he uses it the second time he won't be able to move.
Pein has six bodies even if he sends one body with everyone except Tobi than he would give an extra advantage to his group (for a short time till he needs his bodies back to battle whoever he is taking on).
deidara senpai
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EliteKakashi
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I agree Kakashi wouldn't be able to take on Itachi 1 on 1, even he has admitted that in the manga. But pairing him with Naruto vs Itachi would prove very, very difficult for Itachi, IMO. Kakashi knows all about Itachi's techniques, so as long as he'd listen to Kakashi, I don't think the "simple minded" would factor in. Plus, I also think Naruto is a bit smarter than people give him credit for. Sure, he acts childish, but he knows how to fight.
People give a lot of mixed reviews for Minato..some think he's capable of beating anyone and everyone 1 on 1 with ease. Some think he's no better than Hiruzen.
Kisame mentioned he couldn't beat Jiraiya, if I remember right, and Kisame didn't even have a clue of what sage mode is. Obviously adding in Kakuzu is troublesome, but Jiraiya knows how to handle himself when getting ganged up on..as proved vs Pain.
I agree on Madara and Pain though. The revive thing completely slipped my mind to be honest, but I'm going to just go with ignoring he can do that, seeing as I restricted death god for Minato and Hiruzen..it'd just be unfair, IMO.
I think the key for team Konoha to win this would be eliminating Kisame and Kakuzu as quickly as they can.
A game plan, I'd use would probably be:
Have Minato/Hiruzen take care of Kisame and Kakuzu as quickly as they can. Making it 5 on 3 would be a much more preferred situation for team Konoha. Kakashi isn't going to prove to be too useful, fighting wise vs Madara/Pain/Itachi, however, he can be the intelligence. which is always a key part. Minato/Hiruzen/Naruto stall for Jiraiya(and I guess have Kakashi act as a "body guard" so to say) to enter sage mode, as it's going to be absolutely crucial if they want to pull this off.
After that, it's going to take a "gang up" type of fight for Konoha to pull it off. But I think it's a possibility. Obviously, the above would be easier said then done, but possible. Definitely a difficult go for Konoha, though.
But the biggest drawback to fighting an MS activated Itachi is the lack of eyesight in fact even the lack of finger sight. IMO Kakashi + Naruto would find it more difficult
I'm pretty sure Kisame knew about SM after all Jiraiya was known as the Toad Sage. Also Kisame shouldn't be taken lightly after all he was able to defeat killerB fairly easily. 4 eyes, 2 pairs of hand seals, Madara's s/t to intervene, nah I doubt Jiraiya would win.
In fact Madara, the real Madara can sit back and act as a lookout who uses his s/t to intervene in any battle at anytime.
Also I doubt Kisame + Kakuzu would be taken out that easily nor would any of their allies let them go just like that
EliteKakashi
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Wasn't Pain surprised by his sage mode, though? I can't quite remember. I would think if Pain didn't know of it, or much about it, then neither would Kisame, given Nagato was Jiraiya's pupil.
In terms of Madara, I dunno. there's got to be some weakness. When you have 2 hokages, a Sannin, and the often claimed "smartest ninja" Kakashi, you'd think they could figure it out.
Yeah I didn't mean that it automatically happened and there was no interference, it would obviously require help from Jiraiya, Naruto and Kakashi to fend off the rest while they do it, but I can't see Kisame and Kakuzu fairing too well vs Minato and Hiruzen, the 2 strongest ninja in the manga's history, at least, according to Kishi, working together.
Maybe I should have substituted Madara for Orochimaru to make it a fairer fight, I dunno. But I would think Madara has some way of being defeated.
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Team Akatsuki will destroy Leaf..
Madara and Nagato simply just Banshou Tenin (Gravity Pull) everyone but Minato, I know he'd teleport to escape, and why they're getting pulled Itachi could swipe at them with his Susanoo sword. Kisame could also use the Water Dome to drown some of them. lol That'd be funny.
And it'd be Minato, Hiruzen, Jiraiya, Kakashi, Naruto, and Enma.
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Nagato, Itachi, Madara, Kakuzu, Kakuzu's Beasts (4), and Kisame.
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Team Konoha would try to take out the weakest first. So they'd attack Kisame. Minato would probably deliver a quick Rasengan and send Kisame back. Kisame, however, would fuse with the Samehada and use that Water Dome technique while his allies make distance. Whoever is caught in the dome from Konoha will be trapped in the water. Those who manage to escape, Minato because of teleportation, will probably be attacked by Madara. Meanwhile, for those stuck in the dome, they will most likely fight Nagato's Crab summoning and Kisame's Sharks. While fused, Kisame could attack Naruto, dodging any attacks sent at him because of his speed underwater and absorbing his Kyuubi chakra. Hiruzen, Jiraiya, and Kakashi are stuck trying to get out out of the water while fighting off sharks and a giant crab. Jiraiya would try to summon his frogs but as he tries to draw blood it flows with the water. Meanwhile, Madara uses the gravity pull to attract Minato. Minato uses teleportation to escape and appears in front of the Uchiha with a Rasengan. Madara simply absorbs the technique and mega kicks Minato back, where Nagato will use Shunshin to appear behind Minato, catching him and placing his hand on his head.
Using the human path Nagato will take Minato's soul killing him. Minato can't teleport because Nagato has already placed the hand on his head, making him a mindless zombie. With Minato down Akatsuki would go hard!
Madara and Nagato simply just Banshou Tenin (Gravity Pull) everyone but Minato, I know he'd teleport to escape, and why they're getting pulled Itachi could swipe at them with his Susanoo sword. Kisame could also use the Water Dome to drown some of them. lol That'd be funny.
And it'd be Minato, Hiruzen, Jiraiya, Kakashi, Naruto, and Enma.
Vs
Nagato, Itachi, Madara, Kakuzu, Kakuzu's Beasts (4), and Kisame.
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Team Konoha would try to take out the weakest first. So they'd attack Kisame. Minato would probably deliver a quick Rasengan and send Kisame back. Kisame, however, would fuse with the Samehada and use that Water Dome technique while his allies make distance. Whoever is caught in the dome from Konoha will be trapped in the water. Those who manage to escape, Minato because of teleportation, will probably be attacked by Madara. Meanwhile, for those stuck in the dome, they will most likely fight Nagato's Crab summoning and Kisame's Sharks. While fused, Kisame could attack Naruto, dodging any attacks sent at him because of his speed underwater and absorbing his Kyuubi chakra. Hiruzen, Jiraiya, and Kakashi are stuck trying to get out out of the water while fighting off sharks and a giant crab. Jiraiya would try to summon his frogs but as he tries to draw blood it flows with the water. Meanwhile, Madara uses the gravity pull to attract Minato. Minato uses teleportation to escape and appears in front of the Uchiha with a Rasengan. Madara simply absorbs the technique and mega kicks Minato back, where Nagato will use Shunshin to appear behind Minato, catching him and placing his hand on his head.
Using the human path Nagato will take Minato's soul killing him. Minato can't teleport because Nagato has already placed the hand on his head, making him a mindless zombie. With Minato down Akatsuki would go hard!