[Theory] Itachi is stronger than Nagato

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

OK you are definitely right there!!! and thats why he used chibaku tensei!!! What good does shinra tensei do against an edo summon?? it doesnt do any massive damage and it certainly doesnt seal them. So THAT is its weakness is that it wont kill or capture them just keep them away and since he only has one body right now he doesn't have an ally to capture them while they are down after the shinra blast! So the only way to capture all of them like Kabuto wanted to was chibaku tensei! If naruto and bee died he could use the 7th path to bring them back and itachi cant die he would just be immobilized until kabuto got what he wanted from him! Chibaku tensei was the ONLY choice in this battle to CAPTURE!

I just hate people saying shinra tensei WOULDNT work AT ALL! Or quoting weakness it had when used through a DEAD BODY!!!

I get what u're saying but how do u now dat Itachi can't die. Since he wasn't being controlled by Kabuto he wasn't an Edo Tensei anymore. IWR requires d summoner 2 pass his chakra into d Edo summon. Dis is shown when Kimmamaro said he felt OROCHIMARU'S chakra flowing through his body. Which means it's d chakra dat makes them Edo summons. When d chakra is no longer in d Edo summon it means dat d Edo summon has either been sealed(eg Totsuka blade, Death Reaper seal etc) or d technique is no longer in control of d Edo Tensei(Like in Itachi's case) so I don't think d reason u gave was very relevant but I see ur point though

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

Twedros I know u hate Itachi but here are some things I wanna point out:
1. You answered only 3 out of 6
2. ITACHI'S TSUKUYOMI can only be broken by his own flesh n Blood. FACT!
3. Amateratsu wud hav burned him b4 he repelled it. Even if he repelled d first part more will come n burn him within d interval(5sec or smaller, maybe 3sec). FACT!
4. If Susano'o cud be pulled then why did Nagato bother using Chikudan Tensei? A technique dat requires more chakra n time 2 perform. And who told u dat Susano'o is made of chakra. It is a direct attack n is not made of chakra.
5. Kabuto is smarter than Nagato. Did u see d way he planned 2 capture Naruto n Bee? I bet even though Nagato is d 1 who has d powers he wudn't hav thought of that.

Ok as far as tsukuyomi i dont recal it EVER being broken as it only in real world time lasts a fraction of a second (one instant Kakashi was fine and the next he collapsed). Sasuke broke his genjutsu but it wasn't specified as being tsukuyomi (unless you can provide me a reference) there just wouldn't be enough time to break it but it wouldn't matter in an edo battle since edos cant suffer mental fatigue or pain and their bodies can be moved independant of their mental will.

Amaterasu- Yes it might burn him before he could repel it but its just flames it would do catastrophic damage before he repelled it and the interval? well thats been debated enough i'm not going to address it directly but Amaterasu has an interval dont forget. Itachi closes his eye, blood wells up like tears and lets not forget Nagato was able to sense the building of chakra before the attack so he would know it was coming and that PROVES IT HAS A CHARGE TIME! AND we've never seen Itachi OR Sasuke use it back to back to back so there may be a couple seconds of cooldown BESIDES THE AT LEAST 1-2 SEC CHARGE TIME so the shinra tensei may be a pretty even match for it!

As far as Susano'o being pulled. I'll use my previous post when you asked me about shinra tensei's weakness:

OK you are definitely right there!!! and thats why he used chibaku tensei!!! What good does shinra tensei do against an edo summon?? it doesnt do any massive damage and it certainly doesnt seal them. So THAT is its weakness is that it wont kill or capture them just keep them away and since he only has one body right now he doesn't have an ally to capture them while they are down after the shinra blast! So the only way to capture all of them like Kabuto wanted to was chibaku tensei! If naruto and bee died he could use the 7th path to bring them back and itachi cant die he would just be immobilized until kabuto got what he wanted from him! Chibaku tensei was the ONLY choice in this battle to CAPTURE!

KIabuto being smarter than Nagato?? Possible but Nagato use THE SAME PLAN TO CAPTURE NARUTO LAST TIME THEY FOUGHT so that isn't a good example to prove it..... And Nagato didn't want to fight so Kabuto HAD to be in control so we had no idea how strategic Nagato would have been in that 3 on 1 battle..... BUT NAGATO HAD ALREADY THOUGHT OF AND DONE THAT IN THE MANGA

 

[Kira was Righteous]

Twedros I know u hate Itachi but here are some things I wanna point out:
1. You answered only 3 out of 6
2. ITACHI'S TSUKUYOMI can only be broken by his own flesh n Blood. FACT!
3. Amateratsu wud hav burned him b4 he repelled it. Even if he repelled d first part more will come n burn him within d interval(5sec or smaller, maybe 3sec). FACT!
4. If Susano'o cud be pulled then why did Nagato bother using Chikudan Tensei? A technique dat requires more chakra n time 2 perform. And who told u dat Susano'o is made of chakra. It is a direct attack n is not made of chakra.
5. Kabuto is smarter than Nagato. Did u see d way he planned 2 capture Naruto n Bee? I bet even though Nagato is d 1 who has d powers he wudn't hav thought of that.

1.I dont hate him Itachis tysukami is genjutsu and therefore a vaild point
2.He was capturing the tailed beasts the link i showed you proves it was kabuto who couldnt dodge the sword and deciding his techs.
3,Kabuto doesnt know his techniques better then him
before this fight itachi was one of my favourite characters with all this over hyping i have gone of him because of PEOPLE LIKE YOU lol...

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

I get what u're saying but how do u now dat Itachi can't die. Since he wasn't being controlled by Kabuto he wasn't an Edo Tensei anymore. IWR requires d summoner 2 pass his chakra into d Edo summon. Dis is shown when Kimmamaro said he felt OROCHIMARU'S chakra flowing through his body. Which means it's d chakra dat makes them Edo summons. When d chakra is no longer in d Edo summon it means dat d Edo summon has either been sealed(eg Totsuka blade, Death Reaper seal etc) or d technique is no longer in control of d Edo Tensei(Like in Itachi's case) so I don't think d reason u gave was very relevant but I see ur point though

Well that doesn't mean that the chakra has to be CONTINUALLY flowing into them. If that was the case then there is NOONE ALIVE CAPABLE OF MATCHING KABUTO if he has enough chakra to be continually supplying that many bodies to use that many high level jutsus AND resurrect themselves infinitely AND lets not forget that KABUTO SAID EVEN IF HE DIES THE EDO SUMMON WONT END so that mean its a PERMANENT summon and he DOESN'T need to keep supplying them with CHAKRA. Itachi just broke the MENTAL CONTROL. He is STILL A SUMMONED REANIMATED CORPSE THAT WILL STILL BE THERE AND REGINERATE EVEN IF KABUTO IS KILLED! Itachis eyes are still red like all the other edos too!

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

Ok as far as tsukuyomi i dont recal it EVER being broken as it only in real world time lasts a fraction of a second (one instant Kakashi was fine and the next he collapsed). Sasuke broke his genjutsu but it wasn't specified as being tsukuyomi (unless you can provide me a reference) there just wouldn't be enough time to break it but it wouldn't matter in an edo battle since edos cant suffer mental fatigue or pain and their bodies can be moved independant of their mental will.

Amaterasu- Yes it might burn him before he could repel it but its just flames it would do catastrophic damage before he repelled it and the interval? well thats been debated enough i'm not going to address it directly but Amaterasu has an interval dont forget. Itachi closes his eye, blood wells up like tears and lets not forget Nagato was able to sense the building of chakra before the attack so he would know it was coming and that PROVES IT HAS A CHARGE TIME! AND we've never seen Itachi OR Sasuke use it back to back to back so there may be a couple seconds of cooldown BESIDES THE AT LEAST 1-2 SEC CHARGE TIME so the shinra tensei may be a pretty even match for it!

As far as Susano'o being pulled. I'll use my previous post when you asked me about shinra tensei's weakness:

OK you are definitely right there!!! and thats why he used chibaku tensei!!! What good does shinra tensei do against an edo summon?? it doesnt do any massive damage and it certainly doesnt seal them. So THAT is its weakness is that it wont kill or capture them just keep them away and since he only has one body right now he doesn't have an ally to capture them while they are down after the shinra blast! So the only way to capture all of them like Kabuto wanted to was chibaku tensei! If naruto and bee died he could use the 7th path to bring them back and itachi cant die he would just be immobilized until kabuto got what he wanted from him! Chibaku tensei was the ONLY choice in this battle to CAPTURE!

KIabuto being smarter than Nagato?? Possible but Nagato use THE SAME PLAN TO CAPTURE NARUTO LAST TIME THEY FOUGHT so that isn't a good example to prove it..... And Nagato didn't want to fight so Kabuto HAD to be in control so we had no idea how strategic Nagato would have been in that 3 on 1 battle..... BUT NAGATO HAD ALREADY THOUGHT OF AND DONE THAT IN THE MANGA

1. In d battle between Itachi n Sasuke Zetsu said he cudn't believe dat Sasuke broke TSUKUYOMI. And dis fight is based on both of them NOT being an Edo summon. We just refer 2 d last manga fight so as 2 guide us 2 know who is better normally at full strength without Edo Tensei.
2. Amateratsu wud hav already burned him b4 he cud do anything about it(If he wasn't an Edo summon). And Nagato's analysis on Amateratsu was WRONG cos Itachi didn't use Amateratsu but Koto Amatsukami. Dis shows dat Nagato isn't quite accurate at sensing Itachi's jutsus.
3.Since he wasn't being controlled by Kabuto he wasn't an Edo Tensei anymore. IWR requires d summoner 2 pass his chakra into d Edo summon. Dis is shown when Kimmamaro said he felt OROCHIMARU'S chakra flowing through his body. Which means it's d chakra dat makes them Edo summons. When d chakra is no longer in d Edo summon it means dat d Edo summon has either been sealed(eg Totsuka blade, Death Reaper seal etc) or d technique is no longer in control of d Edo Tensei(Like in Itachi's case).

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

Well that doesn't mean that the chakra has to be CONTINUALLY flowing into them. If that was the case then there is NOONE ALIVE CAPABLE OF MATCHING KABUTO if he has enough chakra to be continually supplying that many bodies to use that many high level jutsus AND resurrect themselves infinitely AND lets not forget that KABUTO SAID EVEN IF HE DIES THE EDO SUMMON WONT END so that mean its a PERMANENT summon and he DOESN'T need to keep supplying them with CHAKRA. Itachi just broke the MENTAL CONTROL. He is STILL A SUMMONED REANIMATED CORPSE THAT WILL STILL BE THERE AND REGINERATE EVEN IF KABUTO IS KILLED! Itachis eyes are still red like all the other edos too!

Dat's why Kabuto needed Anko's cursed seal 2 strengthen d Edo Tensei. Kabuto has his chakra+Orochimaru's chakra+ Anko's cursed seal. Dat's A LOT!!! And I believe Koto Amatsukami cut of dat connection but d best I can say is we should wait 4 d next episode 2 see if Koto Amatsukami cut him off totally or only d mental control

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

1.I dont hate him Itachis tysukami is genjutsu and therefore a vaild point
2.He was capturing the tailed beasts the link i showed you proves it was kabuto who couldnt dodge the sword and deciding his techs.
3,Kabuto doesnt know his techniques better then him
before this fight itachi was one of my favourite characters with all this over hyping i have gone of him because of PEOPLE LIKE YOU lol...

Kabuto knows Nagato's techniques VERY WELL.
Kabuto is SMARTER than Nagato. Do u think Nagato cud have dodged A SEALING SWORD? Pls how can u absorb a sword dat seals ur SOUL!! Please I wud really like 2 know
Same way u've made me dislike Nagato

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

1. In d battle between Itachi n Sasuke Zetsu said he cudn't believe dat Sasuke broke TSUKUYOMI. And dis fight is based on both of them NOT being an Edo summon. We just refer 2 d last manga fight so as 2 guide us 2 know who is better normally at full strength without Edo Tensei.
2. Amateratsu wud hav already burned him b4 he cud do anything about it(If he wasn't an Edo summon). And Nagato's analysis on Amateratsu was WRONG cos Itachi didn't use Amateratsu but Koto Amatsukami. Dis shows dat Nagato isn't quite accurate at sensing Itachi's jutsus.
3.Since he wasn't being controlled by Kabuto he wasn't an Edo Tensei anymore. IWR requires d summoner 2 pass his chakra into d Edo summon. Dis is shown when Kimmamaro said he felt OROCHIMARU'S chakra flowing through his body. Which means it's d chakra dat makes them Edo summons. When d chakra is no longer in d Edo summon it means dat d Edo summon has either been sealed(eg Totsuka blade, Death Reaper seal etc) or d technique is no longer in control of d Edo Tensei(Like in Itachi's case).

Thanks you for the reference on Tsukutomi. And wow i never knew from the posts that this is supposed to be a NON EDO battle between them we are debating on..... That changes a lot....

Your point 2 He wasn't using Koto Amatsukami.... Kabuto was in control and he DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT JUTSU BEING IN NARUTO! Koto only reacted to Itachi activating his MS. Itachi said so when explaining to naruto. So when he was charging for Amaterasu the Koto activated and broke Kabutos control and Itachi didn't actually launch Amaterasu.

point 3?? Read my previous post

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

Dat's why Kabuto needed Anko's cursed seal 2 strengthen d Edo Tensei. Kabuto has his chakra+Orochimaru's chakra+ Anko's cursed seal. Dat's A LOT!!! And I believe Koto Amatsukami cut of dat connection but d best I can say is we should wait 4 d next episode 2 see if Koto Amatsukami cut him off totally or only d mental control

3 ppls chakra.... even THOSE 3 can't compare to the Kages he revived the jinchuuriki he revived the 7 swordsmen he revived all the Akatsuki the Gin Kin twins! Nagato and Itachi combined probly have more chakra than oorochimaru and anko's curse mark. ADD ALL THE OTHERS AND ITS A LANDSLIDE!
Anko's curse mark is where oorochimarus chakra came from... they were already made and had their strength and then she was a "power up" just like yamato was to the zetsu army. they aren't getting chakra from him we KNOW he doesn't have enough for that. Its the DNA. oorochimaru's chakra helped perfect the jutsu.

 

[Izanami]

Kabuto knows Nagato's techniques VERY WELL.
Kabuto is SMARTER than Nagato. Do u think Nagato cud have dodged A SEALING SWORD? Pls how can u absorb a sword dat seals ur SOUL!! Please I wud really like 2 know
Same way u've made me dislike Nagato

you lost me at kabuto knows Nagatos techniques better then him you really are a massive fanboy.Nagato will always be better no matter how you itachi fanboys try and spin it

 

[ablepema]

Kabuto knows Nagato's techniques VERY WELL.
Kabuto is SMARTER than Nagato. Do u think Nagato cud have dodged A SEALING SWORD? Pls how can u absorb a sword dat seals ur SOUL!! Please I wud really like 2 know
Same way u've made me dislike Nagato

look this is simple susanno and spirit items are chakra
the user is way better than the one being controlled
remember itachi whole susanno is chakra.

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

Thanks you for the reference on Tsukutomi. And wow i never knew from the posts that this is supposed to be a NON EDO battle between them we are debating on..... That changes a lot....

Your point 2 He wasn't using Koto Amatsukami.... Kabuto was in control and he DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT JUTSU BEING IN NARUTO! Koto only reacted to Itachi activating his MS. Itachi said so when explaining to naruto. So when he was charging for Amaterasu the Koto activated and broke Kabutos control and Itachi didn't actually launch Amaterasu.

point 3?? Read my previous post

Nagato/Kabuto said it was AMATERATSU but in d end it WASN'T so dat means they were wrong. Sometimes u can see an attack comin but may not be able 2 counter it. U may hav d insight but not d required strength. Nagato may or may not see it comin but may not be able 2 repel ALL of it.

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

look this is simple susanno and spirit items are chakra
the user is way better than the one being controlled
remember itachi whole susanno is chakra.

Please go 2 Narutowiki and check 4 Susano'o. Wher is it stated dat Susano'o is chakra if u are so sure.

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

you lost me at kabuto knows Nagatos techniques better then him you really are a massive fanboy.Nagato will always be better no matter how you itachi fanboys try and spin it

I never said Kabuto cud use Nagato's abilities better than him, pls stop twisting my words. I'm trying 2 point out that Nagato wudn't hav done better if he was in d same condition as Kabuto was. I am a Deidara fanboy not an Itachi fanboy

 

[ablepema]

Please go 2 Narutowiki and check 4 Susano'o. Wher is it stated dat Susano'o is chakra if u are so sure.

what's fueling it chakra, susanno not an illusion it's chakra that manifests a shape.

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

3 ppls chakra.... even THOSE 3 can't compare to the Kages he revived the jinchuuriki he revived the 7 swordsmen he revived all the Akatsuki the Gin Kin twins! Nagato and Itachi combined probly have more chakra than oorochimaru and anko's curse mark. ADD ALL THE OTHERS AND ITS A LANDSLIDE!
Anko's curse mark is where oorochimarus chakra came from... they were already made and had their strength and then she was a "power up" just like yamato was to the zetsu army. they aren't getting chakra from him we KNOW he doesn't have enough for that. Its the DNA. oorochimaru's chakra helped perfect the jutsu.

Maybe there are some other facts about IWR dat we don't know about cos sounds TOOOOOOOO good 2 be dat perfect. Pls I gotta go now maybe we can continue dis discussion later.

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

i never said kabuto cud use nagato's abilities better than him, pls stop twisting my words. I'm trying 2 point out that nagato wudn't hav done better if he was in d same condition as kabuto was. I am a deidara fanboy not an itachi fanboy

who knows where its at!!!!

 

[ablepema]

Nagato/Kabuto said it was AMATERATSU but in d end it WASN'T so dat means they were wrong. Sometimes u can see an attack comin but may not be able 2 counter it. U may hav d insight but not d required strength. Nagato may or may not see it comin but may not be able 2 repel ALL of it.

nagato can repel all of amerterasu
nagato saw it all
nagato has the strength
he definatly can counter it.

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

what's fueling it chakra, susanno not an illusion it's chakra that manifests a shape.

So please can u tell me how u absorb a sword dat seals ur soul? Nagato is probably chattin with Orochimaru about why he left Akatsuki deep within Itachi's pocket(Assuming Itachi keeps Totsuka Blade in his pocket)

 

[ablepema]

So please can u tell me how u absorb a sword dat seals ur soul? Nagato is probably chattin with Orochimaru about why he left Akatsuki deep within Itachi's pocket(Assuming Itachi keeps Totsuka Blade in his pocket)

the thing wont hit his body he has suction pad/small force field around him and he'll absorb the chakra.