[Theory] Itachi is stronger than Nagato

[Kira was Righteous]

I am no fan-boy but i think that it's fairly obvious that kishi means for Itachi to be the strongest character currently in the manga i think that Nagato is the coolest character and has bad ass powers, but itachi would have beaten him. when you say that it was a 3 V 1 fight, bee and naruto where more of a hindrance to itachi than a help because both are bullheaded and fly off the handle causing them to easily fall into counter attacks. so itachi had to worry about saving them, and keeping them safe. my current speculation is that itachi is destined to ether seal madara with the tosuka blade, or kill kabuto. and when you say that nagato was not able to move properly because he is being controlled by kabuto that's bull, kabuto just controls their will, not their body's every move. and on that note, being controlled by kabuto make's nagato stronger because he has no limits and his body constantly regenerates. and most of you who say that nagato would easily win seem to forget that itachi is a master of genjuitsu and nagato has no reliable counter for. if it was 1v1 itachi probably would've been trapping nagato in genjuitsu from the start.

read earlier posts cant be bothered responding to you people anymore

 

[Klubargutan]

i think that he is equal....maybe with luck he can win

 

[Kyuubikiller]

.......last

 

[Inspector]

i just love that arc

 

[Kyuubikiller]

.........last

 

[MinatoFLASH]

Itachi will go blind before he could land a critical attact

U lost all cred jack-rabbit but I will give it back after the next chap ends when Kishi Makes Itachi pass back into the pure world

Itachi wud go blind!! WTF are u saying???, why didnt he go blind on everyone then, your talking BS, i am talking bout healthy Itachi. He wud never go blind in one fight, he cud use Sasoonu for defense which Jiraiya cant do anything about and then Itachi can use amatarasu if the first one didnt work he cud catch him of guard or find a weakness because of his intelligence and then amatarasu again, Itachi cud use amatarasu atleast 6 times and a sasoonu before running out of chakra! He wud probably need it just once tho because Jiraiya got no defense against it or tsukyomi. And no way to break out of Sasoonu, how wud he win???? You make no sense and Pain wud probably lose to Itachi too so stfu.

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

And Yata Mirror is an Supernatural Ethereal Sheild, its not just ANY sheild. It's Said to repel all attacks for a reason ,and how do you know if its vulnearable to Banso tensin, that wasent proven anywhere, but it did state Yata Mirror repels all attacks. Although i bieleve Yata mirror cannot repel it. But we dont know how much Susano'o Weighs, so nagato would have to use an tremendous amount of force and chakra, lifting up something that big With that Mass. And Susano'o is Heavy since When he landed to save naruto & bee, The Shockwave from Susano'o Blew off Nagato's arm, and kabuto regenerated it

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And no one knows How Strong Yasaka No Matagama is. Who knows............it may be stronger than a tailed beast bomb, Although i don't Believe So. But Any move from Susano'o should be powerful especially from Itachi's. And The Blade Of Totsuku extends so If chibaku tensei is used on itachi, it would just leave nagato wide open, for itachi to seal him. Since it takes a While to gather up the rocks, Itachi would easily seal him since it takes a few seconds to Stab him with Totsuku blade Or Seal him. Or he can Just Amaterasu chibaku tensei since it's Nothing but Rocks and Chakra.
Nagato's moves leave too many openings. 5 second delay from Shinra Tensei, No movement when using Chibaku Tensei, and can only use 1 path at a Time thefore allowing him to use only 1 technique at a time.

As far as Susano'os weight when Raikage picked up Sasuke for liger bomb sasuke had most of the bones formed (like when Itachi landed it was only the bones) and there wasnt any internal dialogue to sugest that sasuke was heavier and when they walk around with Susano'o formed they arent weighed down. Like when Itachi was taking his death strides towards Sasuke at the end of their fight, he could barely stand but Susano'o was still gliding along with him. I find it hard to believe that Susano'o has weight to the ground. Raikage's lateral bolt of pain to Susano'o ribs sent Sasuke slying as well. So even with the Yata mirror the rest of Susano'o is exposed and would be recieving the force of the omni-directional shinra tensei so i'm as certain as possible when dealing with a fictional topic that susano'o and its user would be pushed......

and as far as chibaku tensei... As soon as the black sphere is released from his hand movement returns.

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he releases it and then starts dodging attacks immediatly. So that isnt a valid weakness. And using amaterasu is a baaaaad idea since it is JUST FLAMES. how long do you think it would take to burn through rocks? Before that could happen they would all be sucked INTO the amaterasu! And there has never been any evidence that amaterasu can burn chakra.... AND we dont KNOW that chibaku tensei is chakra it seems more like a weak gravity well like a black hole type thing. The rasengan doesnt suck everything into it. And that 5 sencond delay was too much for ANYONE to overcome until Naruto used like 500 clones to brace himself and last time i checked Itachi doesnt have 500 allies. AND lets not forget that 5 second delay was when HE WAS USING A DEAD BODY!!! That 5 seconds may be out the damn window now that its Nagato and not Pain.....

And what are you talking about one path at a time? He was using Human Path against naruto and then used preta path i believe (the machine one) when Bee attacked from the side so thats incorrect. And Naruto is being held by one of his summons tongues so theres three at once! If Kabuto hadnt been the one fighting who knows how bad things might've gotten. You know, IF Nagato had wanted to fight them. And lets not forget Kabuto has other battles going on too. I doubt he could just free his other edo's to do what they want since the kages are still fighting and they dont want to be...

 

[Honord Sage]

You proved my point. lol!

No you prove mine you have eyes but only see what you want and not what is, fact it took 3 persons using their most powerful long range tech to take down Nagato not one person by the name of Itachi but Itachi, Naruto and Bee at the same time and its in Manga pages for those who simply can count how many people were their and how many people use a move and it was not one.

 

[AKATSUKINAGATO]

dunno i would have to see them fight first maybe in the afterlifexd

 

[MCYoungJT]

poor Naruto everyone else fired all these bad ass epic to the max long range and he's like uhm I'll just throw my rasengan at it, he needs a new move already, Shadow clones and Rasengan over and over learn a new trick already oh and summoning frogs

 

[kellzfresh]

Why r all itachi fans depending on genjutsu.... Does it mean that itachi can use genjutsu on every one in the naruto verse and win... maybe against hashirama or yellow flash or raikage or sarutobi, itachi fans will say genjutsu and itachi wins.... Rubbish, for ur information people train to fight sharingan and counter genjutsu...

 

[kadowade]

Why r all itachi fans depending on genjutsu.... Does it mean that itachi can use genjutsu on every one in the naruto verse and win... maybe against hashirama or yellow flash or raikage or sarutobi, itachi fans will say genjutsu and itachi wins.... Rubbish, for ur information people train to fight sharingan and counter genjutsu...

Just Read post #778.

Yes people train to fight Genjutsu even NAruto did, by jiraiya. Yet the 30% Chakra itachi got him in one and naruto tried to escape but couldn't

 

[siyo]

1. those first two bold parts contradicts each other. as you have said genjutsu is a genjutsu no matter how you deliver it, so tsukuyomi is nothing different from koto amatsukami in terms of effectiveness. if koto affects the edo summons, why not tsukuyomi.lol. as simple logic as that you still fail to understand.

2. you're blinded by your love to itachi dude. admit it yata mirror can't deflect ANY attack. Chibaku tensei is an attack yet itachi did not use that to protect them from chibaku instead he resort by asking help from the 2 jinchuuriki.you cannot deny that. still you stick to what stated "it repels any attack" thing when in fact you know it cannot repel ALL attacks. admit it to yourself.

3. LOL dude. where does that "susanoo's weight" come from. its a CHAKRA how will it be heavy? and if its sooooo heavy as you imply then itachi should have burden CARRYING it LOL. what an ass, you made me laugh bringing up this non sense.. A chakra with weight.hahaha. its not a summon dude.

Nagato would need tremendous amount of chakra to lift susanoo?[?]hahaha. funniest shit you ever said dude. You saw manga it was lifted with ease when nagato use chibaku tensei.haha. Have you saw pain vs nine tails fight? He lifted a gigantic rock and drop it to kyubi. I doubt itachi would weigh as much as a boulder lol.

4. Again itachi will look dumb if he exhaust his chakra by just breaking chibaku. he knows himself better than you that's why he chose to have help from the 2 jinchuurikis. no speculations pls, based it on the manga we are reading.

5. ANY move from susanoo should be powerful?hahah. <--- being biased to the max dude.. I can also say that any MOVE from Nagato should be powerful enough to destroy susanoo coz rinnegan>sharingan. NUFF SAID!

6. Amaterasu Chibaku tensei?LOL. you're making your itachi look dumb in here dude. Itachi will never do that. he is waaaay more intelligent than you. he knows fire can't melt rocks instantly it will take a LLLLLOOOOOOOONG time before it will be destroyed. he'll be squished to death even before the rocks get hot. lol. and he might got caught on fire aswell. so, fail.

7. Nagato's move leaves to many opening? have you saw the recent manga dude? he mix and match paths to counter every attack naruto and bee throws at him. Where's the opening there? and if you read carefully the manga naruto even said that when nagato is complete his jutsus become stronger and faster. so, I doubt there's still the 5sec delay from shinra. besides that delay doesnt matter knowing he can just spam other paths while it is in "cooldown"

8. one path at a time? you really need to reread manga dude. nagato just used multiple paths at the same time in the recent fight dumbass. lol. preta path+asura path+human path were all used at the same time. or you still want me to bring up the evidence right into your face??


bottom line is: YOU NEED TO REREAD MANGA COZ IT SEEMS YOU'RE MISSING ALOT FROM THE PREVIOUS FIGHT ALONE. no wonder why you know little info of other character.worst is you're lacking knowledge even to your favorite itachi. that's just embarassing as a fanboy.really...

Owned lol you are making them sweat :ghehe:

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

poor Naruto everyone else fired all these bad ass epic to the max long range and he's like uhm I'll just throw my rasengan at it, he needs a new move already, Shadow clones and Rasengan over and over learn a new trick already oh and summoning frogs

Well he threw the rasen shuriken at it.... And in his defense the RS even though based from rasengan is a jutsu even the fourth couldn't learn. AND when it hits someone even if it doesn't kill them it severs their chakra network at a cellular level meaning they can no longer mold chakra. It takes away their ability to be a ninja. And it can hit probly 50 people at a time with the size of the explosion..... And only a sage or 9 tails mode can use it without severing their own chakra network so no other shinobi can HANDLE ITS POWER!! I think he's doin alright with just that long range jutsu. Sure he could learn some more and needs the TBB but with the exception of TBB i dont think there is anything stronger for him to learn!

 

[MinatoFLASH]

Owned lol you are making them sweat :ghehe:

Ok well he had some good points but.

1. No where does it say that genjutsu dont work on Pain just cuz Itachi didnt use it dont mean shit! And yes genjutsu does work on edo tensei but there is no point to it becuz they cant die! Only sealed away

2. Now without edo tensei Itachi wud just get him in a genjutsu and its over, Pain even got caught by J-man's genjutsu and Itachi's is on another lvl, he can cast it by one finger.

3. Ok i will admit that even sasoonu wud get sucked in by Nagato's jutsu but it doesnt suck in immediatly, Itachi wud just amatarasu Pain who we know isnt fast enuf to dodge it!

4. If Nagato uses shinra tensei on amatarasu, it has a 5 sec interval so Itachi cud amatarasu right there

5. Last but not least Itachi sealed up Nagato! Kishi was trying to tell us something but Nagato fanboys still dont get it! Even after Kabuto himself said that Itachi Uchiha is on a whole other lvl!!!

 

[MinatoFLASH]

Well he threw the rasen shuriken at it.... And in his defense the RS even though based from rasengan is a jutsu even the fourth couldn't learn. AND when it hits someone even if it doesn't kill them it severs their chakra network at a cellular level meaning they can no longer mold chakra. It takes away their ability to be a ninja. And it can hit probly 50 people at a time with the size of the explosion..... And only a sage or 9 tails mode can use it without severing their own chakra network so no other shinobi can HANDLE ITS POWER!! I think he's doin alright with just that long range jutsu. Sure he could learn some more and needs the TBB but with the exception of TBB i dont think there is anything stronger for him to learn!

He shud learn a new much stronger rasengan!!! Also there shud be a new MUCH stronger toad summoning that only Naruto can summon!

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

Ok well he had some good points but.

1. No where does it say that genjutsu dont work on Pain just cuz Itachi didnt use it dont mean shit! And yes genjutsu does work on edo tensei but there is no point to it becuz they cant die! Only sealed away

2. Now without edo tensei Itachi wud just get him in a genjutsu and its over, Pain even got caught by J-man's genjutsu and Itachi's is on another lvl, he can cast it by one finger.

3. Ok i will admit that even sasoonu wud get sucked in by Nagato's jutsu but it doesnt suck in immediatly, Itachi wud just amatarasu Pain who we know isnt fast enuf to dodge it!

4. If Nagato uses shinra tensei on amatarasu, it has a 5 sec interval so Itachi cud amatarasu right there

5. Last but not least Itachi sealed up Nagato! Kishi was trying to tell us something but Nagato fanboys still dont get it! Even after Kabuto himself said that Itachi Uchiha is on a whole other lvl!!!

1. Jiraiya didnt use that genjutsu Ma and Pa did.

2. If this wasnt an edo fight Nagato wouldn't be facing him in person he'd be using the paths of pain and he'd have allies to break the genjutsu.

3. Even IF he used Amaterasu chibaku tensei is still there its already been used and Itachi would die anyway making it a stalemate except for my point number 2

4. This is Nagato NOT PAIN. I posted this before the manga came out and Kishi had Naruto confirm it. Now that Nagato isnt channeling his chakra THROUGH DEAD BODIES his techniques are on a whole new level. Who said Nagato needs 5 seconds between shinra tenseis??? He probly only needed that time to transfer enough chakra to tendou pain

5. Yeah Kishi WAS trying to tell us something..... Narutos team isnt going to lose... ESPECIALLY when they have a sealer on it. Nagato got blindsided out of a smoke cloud. Not beaten in a 1 on 1 fight by Itachi. And Kabuto said he was on a whole other level..... MENTALLY. Itachi Didn't FIGHT or STRENGTH his way out of edo, he had set a plan in advance that, while not intended for himself, was able to overpower the edo tensei summon. That a whole other level of BRAINS not skill or strength.

I'm not saying Nagato is the best but i AM saying that Itachi is NOT HANDS DOWN THE BEST EITHER! But man he is freakin awesome!!!

 

[kadowade]

1. Jiraiya didnt use that genjutsu Ma and Pa did.

2. If this wasnt an edo fight Nagato wouldn't be facing him in person he'd be using the paths of pain and he'd have allies to break the genjutsu.

3. Even IF he used Amaterasu chibaku tensei is still there its already been used and Itachi would die anyway making it a stalemate except for my point number 2

4. This is Nagato NOT PAIN. I posted this before the manga came out and Kishi had Naruto confirm it. Now that Nagato isnt channeling his chakra THROUGH DEAD BODIES his techniques are on a whole new level. Who said Nagato needs 5 seconds between shinra tenseis??? He probly only needed that time to transfer enough chakra to tendou pain

5. Yeah Kishi WAS trying to tell us something..... Narutos team isnt going to lose... ESPECIALLY when they have a sealer on it. Nagato got blindsided out of a smoke cloud. Not beaten in a 1 on 1 fight by Itachi. And Kabuto said he was on a whole other level..... MENTALLY. Itachi Didn't FIGHT or STRENGTH his way out of edo, he had set a plan in advance that, while not intended for himself, was able to overpower the edo tensei summon. That a whole other level of BRAINS not skill or strength.

I'm not saying Nagato is the best but i AM saying that Itachi is NOT HANDS DOWN THE BEST EITHER! But man he is freakin awesome!!!

Pain's bodies can't escape him out of Genjutsu.
TO escape some one else have to place their chakra in yours disrupting the genjutsu. It has to be another SOurce of Chakra placed into yours. SO pain cannot escape it by his bodies because they all Share the SAME Source (Nagato)

Otherwise Naruto wouldve escaped Itachi's Genjutsu By clones. Thats why Sakura and Chiyo place their own chakra into Naruto So nagato is pretty much fked when it comes 2 a high level Genjutsu

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

Pain's bodies can't escape him out of Genjutsu.
TO escape some one else have to place their chakra in yours disrupting the genjutsu. It has to be another SOurce of Chakra placed into yours. SO pain cannot escape it by his bodies because they all Share the SAME Source (Nagato)

Otherwise Naruto wouldve escaped Itachi's Genjutsu By clones. Thats why Sakura and Chiyo place their own chakra into Naruto So nagato is pretty much fked when it comes 2 a high level Genjutsu

Yes but if the SOURCE isn't trapped in a genjutsu there isnt a problem. Just look back at when Naruto learned the Oodama rasengan fighting the Conch King summon. Jiraiya escaped an inescapable genjutsu by replacing himself with a shadowclone so that he wasn't affected. So even if one of Pains bodies falls to the genjutsu it only disrupts the chakra IN THAT BODY it doesnt follow the chackra THROUGH THE AIR back to nagato and affect him too!

AND it doesn't have to be someone else. That is only if you cant disrupt it yourself. Thats why Jiraiya was trying to train Naruto to escape genjutsus because YOU CAN ESCAPE THEM ON YOUR OWN!!!

 

[MinatoFLASH]

1. Jiraiya didnt use that genjutsu Ma and Pa did.

2. If this wasnt an edo fight Nagato wouldn't be facing him in person he'd be using the paths of pain and he'd have allies to break the genjutsu.

3. Even IF he used Amaterasu chibaku tensei is still there its already been used and Itachi would die anyway making it a stalemate except for my point number 2

4. This is Nagato NOT PAIN. I posted this before the manga came out and Kishi had Naruto confirm it. Now that Nagato isnt channeling his chakra THROUGH DEAD BODIES his techniques are on a whole new level. Who said Nagato needs 5 seconds between shinra tenseis??? He probly only needed that time to transfer enough chakra to tendou pain

5. Yeah Kishi WAS trying to tell us something..... Narutos team isnt going to lose... ESPECIALLY when they have a sealer on it. Nagato got blindsided out of a smoke cloud. Not beaten in a 1 on 1 fight by Itachi. And Kabuto said he was on a whole other level..... MENTALLY. Itachi Didn't FIGHT or STRENGTH his way out of edo, he had set a plan in advance that, while not intended for himself, was able to overpower the edo tensei summon. That a whole other level of BRAINS not skill or strength.

I'm not saying Nagato is the best but i AM saying that Itachi is NOT HANDS DOWN THE BEST EITHER! But man he is freakin awesome!!!

1. Ma and Pa's genjutsu is definitely weaker than Itachi's

2. I thought this was Nagato vs Itachi not Pain vs Itachi, this is Nagato without 6 paths.

3. That doesnt mean that his jutsus have no weaknesses, it doesnt say the 5 sec interval no longer happens.

4. Make up your mind! Is this Nagato who isnt using his chakra in dead bodies or Pain, who is!! First you said he wud be using his paths then you said he isnt channeling his chakra THROUGH DEAD BODIES. WTF And also Itachi wudnt be sucked up by that time, what if Itachi does amatarasu in the start of the fight then does it again before 5 secs, knowing Itachi he wud easily figure out the 5 sec thing, maybe the next time Nagato uses shinra tensei.

5. No i doubt thats what Kishi was saying and yea he is way smarter and at the same power so Itachi wud win.

And yea Pain is epic too but i now believe Itachi wud win atleast 6/10 while Nagato wud win 4/10 in 10 fights because it's very likely for Itachi to do a genjutsu on him, with his Paths nagato stands more of a chance but then he has that 5 sec interval. So yea Itachi wud win.