[Theory] Itachi is stronger than Nagato

[PositiveEmotions]

nagato might but is alow chance he has not been trained in genjutsu very much and does not hve the ezxperience like senju hashirama had and hashirama might have had something else that allowed him to get out of genjutsu not necessarily his chakra. having a big chakra source does not make you immune to genjutsu but there are other ways and its very likely that hashirama knos how to beat high lvl genjutsu which is likely becos he beat madara with ems but we cannot make the same assumption about nagato cos we hav seen all his abilities and nothing really suggest that he can break it but one thing is in naruto anything is possible.

Uzumaki sasuke yes we don't have enough info on him but he beat madara with ems who had genjutsu strong enough to control the fox, so since hashirama beat him he is very likely to have a counter for high lvl genjutsu but we can't say the same thing for Nagato though since he has shown no ability to be immune to genjutsu and was also caught by jiraya's genjutsu.

yes man i agree there might be other sourses of breaking genjutsu not just with other sources of chakra i agree there big time but remember hashirama controlled number of bijuus and yes i do agree that nagato has not been trained for genjutsu but that does not mean he is weak against it and yea he was caught by jiraiya's genjutsu but remember it was not the real pein who he used it on and also jiraiya just wanted to gather information on pein he was not trying to win

 

[Exaar]

Lol it has and well he with info naruto provided...and I got so sick and tired of this itachi fanboys just popping up after the last chapter and the stupidest thing I heard was itachi has surpassed the 4th lol that was funny as HELL....and right now they are saying he is stronger than nagato which sooo stupid

An itachi fan getting annoyed by itachi fanbois? 0.0

You know the fitachi anbois are bad when even an itachi fan disagrees with them xd

 

[kadowade]

yes man i agree there might be other sourses of breaking genjutsu not just with other sources of chakra i agree there big time but remember hashirama controlled number of bijuus and yes i do agree that nagato has not been trained for genjutsu but that does not mean he is weak against it and yea he was caught by jiraiya's genjutsu but remember it was not the real pein who he used it on and also jiraiya just wanted to gather information on pein he was not trying to win

Yes but the real pain Was basically in the GEnjutsu since He shares the same vison/mind/Hearing. Jiraiya just released the Genjutsu then let his guard down, and lost an arm

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

aparently u do not know that he defeated madara uchiha and madara had high level of eternal mangekyo sharingan

So!! Do u know how he defeated Madara. D only things we know bout him is he cud control all d bijuu, uses Mokuton nd is d Leader of d Senju clan

 

[Exaar]

He can't, all he can give is an dumbass opinion

Same goes for you and the rest of itachi's fanbois.

Its all opinions, diffrence is your is right and everyone else's is wrong eh

 

[arv993]

yes man i agree there might be other sourses of breaking genjutsu not just with other sources of chakra i agree there big time but remember hashirama controlled number of bijuus and yes i do agree that nagato has not been trained for genjutsu but that does not mean he is weak against it and yea he was caught by jiraiya's genjutsu but remember it was not the real pein who he used it on and also jiraiya just wanted to gather information on pein he was not trying to win

i see ur point but i think u see is that odds are he would get caught by genjutsu on itachi's lvl but all i am saying is it is not impossible but as seen from nagato so far he is more likely to be affected by genjutsu than not, that is all i am saying. He hasn't shown anything that could resist it but there is possibilty he has something but we can't use that in this argument becos we don't kno about it.

 

[PositiveEmotions]

Lol it has and well he with info naruto provided...and I got so sick and tired of this itachi fanboys just popping up after the last chapter and the stupidest thing I heard was itachi has surpassed the 4th lol that was funny as HELL....and right now they are saying he is stronger than nagato which sooo stupid

well dude is still unknown for many reasons

That was NOTHING but an Opinion..............U_U

Ok Nagato is better to you...but itachi has more feats and reason and a better chance at "Beating" Nagato in a fight.

Dosent matter who's better or what you call "Stronger" Itachi clearly has the advantage at winning.

Like i said before, UNTIL it states that Nagato is Resistant to GEnjutsu.Itachi wins, plain and simple. Tell me what wil nagato do if he's trapped in ITachis Genjutsu.......huh Nothing, because he would be killed while he's in a Genjutsu, (If it was a real battle) it takes time to even get out of a Genjutsu anyway

do not bother messing with narutoandpein dude he will not give up so best advance dude just drop it

He can't, all he can give is an dumbass opinion

be nice to him u have no prove of what u say either if u wanna prove him wrong show some links and back up to your answers

 

[kadowade]

An itachi fan getting annoyed by itachi fanbois? 0.0

You know the fitachi anbois are bad when even an itachi fan disagrees with them xd

He's obviously more of an Pain fan since he was thinking about pain when he created his username. He may like Itachi but i bet he's more of a pain fan of course.
Just like how i like pain, but like itachi better.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

That was NOTHING but an Opinion..............U_U

Ok Nagato is better to you...but itachi has more feats and reason and a better chance at "Beating" Nagato in a fight.

Dosent matter who's better or what you call "Stronger" Itachi clearly has the advantage at winning.

Like i said before, UNTIL it states that Nagato is Resistant to GEnjutsu.Itachi wins, plain and simple. Tell me what wil nagato do if he's trapped in ITachis Genjutsu.......huh Nothing, because he would be killed while he's in a Genjutsu, (If it was a real battle) it takes time to even get out of a Genjutsu anyway

Pls give us cold hard facts why Nagato is better than Itachi

dude rinnegan is not an instant win and nagato does not really have complete fully powered rinnegan becos he has no senju or uchiha dna which means he cannot use Izangi or genjustu he is only one path of the six paths he is not invincible and a better KG does not mean a win we have seen many times when a person with a better KG losing to one who is more skilled or smart.

He can't, all he can give is an dumbass opinion

You want fact right?!?! Than a fact is if it wasn't for B's beast bomb and naruto rasen shurikan(spelling) than itachi would have gotten his ass handed to him
Here is a opinion: well itachi's move would have been enough to break chika tensei
Fact: itachi's plans failed
Fact: rinnengan is the strongest doujutsu
Fact: nagato has never shown weakness towards a visual genjutsu
Are those enough facts for you

 

[kadowade]

be nice to him u have no prove of what u say either if u wanna prove him wrong show some links and back up to your answers

dude i showed like 6 links a few pages ago to some other guy.

 

[arv993]

An itachi fan getting annoyed by itachi fanbois? 0.0

You know the fitachi anbois are bad when even an itachi fan disagrees with them xd

dude why are u here all u do is call ppl fanboys and just say outwradly that nagato would win, ppl actually prove and dissprove others' points with evidence from the manga where as all u do is come here to insult ppl by calling evryone who supports Itachi fanboys. Are u blind that there are also nagato fanboys who just spout stuff like "EVEN NAGATO SAID IT RESISTANCE IS MEANINGLESS IN THE FACE OF OVERWELMING POWER!"
That is what true fanboyism not ppl who provide valid points to their arguments.

 

[PositiveEmotions]

Yes but the real pain Was basically in the GEnjutsu since He shares the same vison/mind/Hearing. Jiraiya just released the Genjutsu then let his guard down, and lost an arm

jiraiya beat a dead body lol it does not count on using it on nagato lol

So!! Do u know how he defeated Madara. D only things we know bout him is he cud control all d bijuu, uses Mokuton nd is d Leader of d Senju clan

thats more than enought for us fans to make our own discussions on how another ninja can break out of genjutsu with other sourses

i see ur point but i think u see is that odds are he would get caught by genjutsu on itachi's lvl but all i am saying is it is not impossible but as seen from nagato so far he is more likely to be affected by genjutsu than not, that is all i am saying. He hasn't shown anything that could resist it but there is possibilty he has something but we can't use that in this argument becos we don't kno about it.

yes no doubt he would get caught in genjutsu because from wut i seen nagato always looks into his enemies eyes so it would be possible that nagato would get hit by tsukiyomi in a flash but thas has not happen there for we can not agree nor disagree that nagato would escape it because like u said he might have other sources of breaking out of but that has not been proven nor stated in the manga

 

[arv993]

You fact right?!?! Than a fact is if it wasn't for B's beast bomb and naruto rasen shurikan(spelling) than itachi would have gotten his ass handed to him
Here is a opinion: well itachi's move would have been enough to break chika tensei
Fact: itachi's plans failed
Fact: rinnengan is the strongest doujutsu
Fact: nagato has never shown weakness towards a visual genjutsu
Is enough facts for you

1.what does itachi's plan got to do with nagato being stronger than Itachi
2. Rinnegan is the strongest but where does it say no genjutsu can ever work on it
3.Nagato has never faced a bvisual genjutsu so how can u say he has shown no weakness to it

 

[PositiveEmotions]

dude i showed like 6 links a few pages ago to some other guy.

well we r not talkin about the other guy r we lol we r talkin about narutoandpein which r 2 different people

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

Itachi is greater than Nagato 4 d following reasons;
1. Tsukuyomi- Itachi's strength is genjutsu, Nagato's weakness is genjutsu. Since Jiraiya got him with genjutsu I'm sure Itachi wud easily get him since he has d strongest genjutsu in d narutoverse. D reason why Itachi didn't bother in using Tsukuyomi is cos there's no point in wasting ur chakra on someone who cannot die.

2. Amateratsu- As seen in d last chapter Itachi already burned Nagato's hands b4 he cud do anything 2 counter it but due 2 d fact dat Nagato is an Edo Tensei it cud not destroy his hands so it regenerated back so he cud repelled it.

3. Totsuka Blade- Seals Nagato's soul. Many ppl say Itachi sealed Nagato but didn't kill him. Pls can u kill an Edo Tensei? Itachi knew d only way 2 kill him was by sealing him so dat's why he did.

4. Yata Mirror- It DEFLECTS ALL THINGS including Shinra Tensei.

5. Yasaka's Magatama- Itachi's strongest long range attack was capable of destroying Chikudan Tensei. 1 or 3 Yasaka's Magatamas wud destroy Chikudan Tensei. D reason why Itachi told all of them 2 contribute was due 2 d fact dat he was saving his chakra 4 future battles in d war. What if d person controllin Nagato sends someone stronger than Nagato 2 fight him immediately afta dis fight? Itachi is smart. He thought far ahead.

6. Smartness- I don't think anyone, even d most biased Nagato fan in Naruto wud oppose 2 d fact dat Itachi is smarter than Nagato

Pls if u wanna post in favor of Nagato only post so as 2 counter ALL my facts


Dat's my reason. COUNTER ALL OF IT!!

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

Itachi is greater than Nagato 4 d following reasons;
1. Tsukuyomi- Itachi's strength is genjutsu, Nagato's weakness is genjutsu. Since Jiraiya got him with genjutsu I'm sure Itachi wud easily get him since he has d strongest genjutsu in d narutoverse. D reason why Itachi didn't bother in using Tsukuyomi is cos there's no point in wasting ur chakra on someone who cannot die.

2. Amateratsu- As seen in d last chapter Itachi already burned Nagato's hands b4 he cud do anything 2 counter it but due 2 d fact dat Nagato is an Edo Tensei it cud not destroy his hands so it regenerated back so he cud repelled it.

3. Totsuka Blade- Seals Nagato's soul. Many ppl say Itachi sealed Nagato but didn't kill him. Pls can u kill an Edo Tensei? Itachi knew d only way 2 kill him was by sealing him so dat's why he did.

4. Yata Mirror- It DEFLECTS ALL THINGS including Shinra Tensei.

5. Yasaka's Magatama- Itachi's strongest long range attack was capable of destroying Chikudan Tensei. 1 or 3 Yasaka's Magatamas wud destroy Chikudan Tensei. D reason why Itachi told all of them 2 contribute was due 2 d fact dat he was saving his chakra 4 future battles in d war. What if d person controllin Nagato sends someone stronger than Nagato 2 fight him immediately afta dis fight? Itachi is smart. He thought far ahead.

6. Smartness- I don't think anyone, even d most biased Nagato fan in Naruto wud oppose 2 d fact dat Itachi is smarter than Nagato

Pls if u wanna post in favor of Nagato only post so as 2 counter ALL my facts


Dat's my reason!!! COUNTER IT!!!

 

[arv993]

jiraiya beat a dead body lol it does not count on using it on nagato lol



thats more than enought for us fans to make our own discussions on how another ninja can break out of genjutsu with other sourses




yes no doubt he would get caught in genjutsu because from wut i seen nagato always looks into his enemies eyes so it would be possible that nagato would get hit by tsukiyomi in a flash but thas has not happen there for we can not agree nor disagree that nagato would escape it because like u said he might have other sources of breaking out of but that has not been proven nor stated in the manga

ok i see ur point and i said it might be possible to break tsukiyomi all i am saying is the odds are against him beating genjutsu, but we hav no proof if he has the other abilities to get out of it. it is ok to assume that with hashirama becos he beat madara uchiha who had high lvl genjutsu techs but we cannot do the same for nagato that is all i am saying.

 

[thelonghorn]

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Itachi is greater than Nagato 4 d following reasons;
1. Tsukuyomi- Itachi's strength is genjutsu, Nagato's weakness is genjutsu. Since Jiraiya got him with genjutsu I'm sure Itachi wud easily get him since he has d strongest genjutsu in d narutoverse. D reason why Itachi didn't bother in using Tsukuyomi is cos there's no point in wasting ur chakra on someone who cannot die.

2. Amateratsu- As seen in d last chapter Itachi already burned Nagato's hands b4 he cud do anything 2 counter it but due 2 d fact dat Nagato is an Edo Tensei it cud not destroy his hands so it regenerated back so he cud repelled it.

3. Totsuka Blade- Seals Nagato's soul. Many ppl say Itachi sealed Nagato but didn't kill him. Pls can u kill an Edo Tensei? Itachi knew d only way 2 kill him was by sealing him so dat's why he did.

4. Yata Mirror- It DEFLECTS ALL THINGS including Shinra Tensei.

5. Yasaka's Magatama- Itachi's strongest long range attack was capable of destroying Chikudan Tensei. 1 or 3 Yasaka's Magatamas wud destroy Chikudan Tensei. D reason why Itachi told all of them 2 contribute was due 2 d fact dat he was saving his chakra 4 future battles in d war. What if d person controllin Nagato sends someone stronger than Nagato 2 fight him immediately afta dis fight? Itachi is smart. He thought far ahead.

6. Smartness- I don't think anyone, even d most biased Nagato fan in Naruto wud oppose 2 d fact dat Itachi is smarter than Nagato

Pls if u wanna post in favor of Nagato only post so as 2 counter ALL my facts

I think Itachi can win but I enjoy a good debate more than anyone. If we need to just counter 2 of your points.

EDIT: Sorry--didn't see you used 2 instead of to--so I can't counter ALL your points.

4. This isn't a fact--the only evidence we have is that it repels attacks/projectiles thrown at it. No where do have proof that it is effective/ineffective towards Shinra Tensei. Not to mention most of Nagato's "offense" are due to gravitational/force related manuevers and NOT attacks (fireballs, projectiles) so this isn't really a relevant point.

5. This isn't really a fact either but more speculation (which is all we can do). The fact is that the it took the combined effort of 3 projectile attacks to destroy the ball. While I completely agree that Itachi could have the foresight to think he needs to save his chakra, I don't think that Itachi could imagine that he would one-day be ressurected and facing off in an all-out ninja war.

 

[PositiveEmotions]

You want fact right?!?! Than a fact is if it wasn't for B's beast bomb and naruto rasen shurikan(spelling) than itachi would have gotten his ass handed to him
Here is a opinion: well itachi's move would have been enough to break chika tensei
Fact: itachi's plans failed
Fact: rinnengan is the strongest doujutsu
Fact: nagato has never shown weakness towards a visual genjutsu
Is enough facts for you

well those r some nice facts but is still not enough to prove that rinnigan has anytime of genjutsu stuff because we do not know how genjutsu works on nagato and so far sharingan has been proven to b the most powerful doujutsu from what i have seen in the manga anyways and yea rinnigan is stronger than sharingan but.. in what way?

 

[PositiveEmotions]

ok i see ur point and i said it might be possible to break tsukiyomi all i am saying is the odds are against him beating genjutsu, but we hav no proof if he has the other abilities to get out of it. it is ok to assume that with hashirama becos he beat madara uchiha who had high lvl genjutsu techs but we cannot do the same for nagato that is all i am saying.

well im glad we agree this other people r still at each others throat to prove each other wrong when theres no prove wuts so ever on it so their basically acting like fools and wasting their time