[Theory] Itachi is stronger than Nagato

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

dude just calm down man yes i agree that itachi can beat nagato but don't go overboard its still a hard fight.

YEAH I KNOW. Dis Nagato fans are just gettin under my skin with their stupid, pointless talks backed up with nothing

 

[PositiveEmotions]

i am not saying that he is not strong(he is extremely powerful as shown in the last episode) but ppl who say that he is exactly like the sage of six paths and that genjutsu won't work on him is foolish becos he is not really exactly like the s06p becos the s06p has the dna of both uchiha and senju which he does not and that is one of the reasons u don't see him using wide variety of genjutsu or even the most ultimate genjiutsu like Izangi which the sage used to create anything. All i am saying that is not immune to genjutsu like ppl say he is.

well he is the 3rd of the sage six of paths

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and if thats true he has either the physical energy or the spiritual energy because nagato has the eyes of the six sage of paths so on the genjutsu part its not safe to say he can break out of genjutsu because remember its stated that every jutsu has a weakness even tho we all know this

 

[arv993]

Exactly, all they do is come up with an opinion of what they "Think"

and when they use facts it is the most pointless ones or ones that did not happen like he outran kyubi(did not happen he used chibaku tensei), he destroyed a village(yes with his slow attack and when the village's strongest ppl like naruto, guy and danzo were not participating in the fight) and the worst one is without any proof they say tsukiyomi is completely ineffective on the rinnegan. how many times on the show have we seen more skilled and smarter ninja with no KG beat ones with KG.

 

[try1x07]

Arv993, you say it all.

 

[UKCmasterkeybladeninja]

oh wow another one your talking like bee and naruto werent there so when itachi defeat nagato with help then u can talk

 

[arv993]

well he is the 3rd of the sage six of paths

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and if thats true he has either the physical energy or the spiritual energy because nagato has the eyes of the six sage of paths so on the genjutsu part its not safe to say he can break out of genjutsu because remember its stated that every jutsu has a weakness even tho we all know this

can u explain it more clearly i don't completely understand what u are saying. I agree every jutsu has a weakness but that it self is not a reason that Nagato vcan break out of tsukiyomi. and he is only the third part of the six paths for madara who has senju dna and uchiha dna.

 

[PositiveEmotions]

Yes, but bee Escaped Sasuke's Genjutsu, which madara said was inferior to Itachi's level. And bee had Hachibi.

But as you can see Nagato has no Bijuu, so Nagato has like no chance or hope of even trying to escape even Sasuke's

So trying to escape one with the uniqueness as Itachi's is hopeless.
Its proven only sasuke can Escape Itachi's.

Why do you think when Itachi was saying "Only an uchiha with a sharingan and the same bloodline limit as me can counter it" IT showed a Picture Of Sasuke....

yes i agree but nagato has a bunch chakra idk if its n a level of bijuu but it might be that strong and also rinnigan bloodline and sharingan r the most powerful doujutsu so we do not know which is stronger really so for nagato breaking out of itachi's genjutsu is unknown and yea hachib bc of the bijuu but still i bet even kisame might of bein able to break out of bc he had a chakra of that bijuu (not saying he will break out of it but theres a slightly chance he could)

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

oh wow another one your talking like bee and naruto werent there so when itachi defeat nagato with help then u can talk

PLS only support Nagato in dis thread if u hav a COUNTER 2 all my FACTS

 

[juzumaki]

are u being serious???

 

[kadowade]

and when they use facts it is the most pointless ones or ones that did not happen like he outran kyubi(did not happen he used chibaku tensei), he destroyed a village(yes with his slow attack and when the village's strongest ppl like naruto, guy and danzo were not participating in the fight) and the worst one is without any proof they say tsukiyomi is completely ineffective on the rinnegan. how many times on the show have we seen more skilled and smarter ninja with no KG beat ones with KG.

Exactly all he did was destroy some buildings with a technique that left the God Realm completly powerless afterwards.

Then the only worthy ninja that partcipated Was really Kakashi.
Now look at Kakashi Vs PAin episode
Then look at Itachi Vs Kakashi episode. Kakashi never even "touched itachi'' (only a clone) and itachi barerly moved.

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

yes i agree but nagato has a bunch chakra idk if its n a level of bijuu but it might be that strong and also rinnigan bloodline and sharingan r the most powerful doujutsu so we do not know which is stronger really so for nagato breaking out of itachi's genjutsu is unknown and yea hachib bc of the bijuu but still i bet even kisame might of bein able to break out of bc he had a chakra of that bijuu (not saying he will break out of it but theres a slightly chance he could)

Nagato's weakness is genjutsu. Pls read my post and counter it if u wanna support Nagato in dis discussion

 

[juzumaki]

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Itachi is greater than Nagato 4 d following reasons;
1. Tsukuyomi- Itachi's strength is genjutsu, Nagato's weakness is genjutsu. Since Jiraiya got him with genjutsu I'm sure Itachi wud easily get him since he has d strongest genjutsu in d narutoverse. D reason why Itachi didn't bother in using Tsukuyomi is cos there's no point in wasting ur chakra on someone who cannot die.

2. Amateratsu- As seen in d last chapter Itachi already burned Nagato's hands b4 he cud do anything 2 counter it but due 2 d fact dat Nagato is an Edo Tensei it cud not destroy his hands so it regenerated back so he cud repelled it.

3. Totsuka Blade- Seals Nagato's soul. Many ppl say Itachi sealed Nagato but didn't kill him. Pls can u kill an Edo Tensei? Itachi knew d only way 2 kill him was by sealing him so dat's why he did.

4. Yata Mirror- It DEFLECTS ALL THINGS including Shinra Tensei.

5. Yasaka's Magatama- Itachi's strongest long range attack was capable of destroying Chikudan Tensei. 1 or 3 Yasaka's Magatamas wud destroy Chikudan Tensei. D reason why Itachi told all of them 2 contribute was due 2 d fact dat he was saving his chakra 4 future battles in d war. What if d person controllin Nagato sends someone stronger than Nagato 2 fight him immediately afta dis fight? Itachi is smart. He thought far ahead.

6. Smartness- I don't think anyone, even d most biased Nagato fan in Naruto wud oppose 2 d fact dat Itachi is smarter than Nagato

Pls if u wanna post in favor of Nagato only post so as 2 counter ALL my facts

the only reason y itachi won is because nagato came to sense and stopped fightingU_U

 

[arv993]

yes i agree but nagato has a bunch chakra idk if its n a level of bijuu but it might be that strong and also rinnigan bloodline and sharingan r the most powerful doujutsu so we do not know which is stronger really so for nagato breaking out of itachi's genjutsu is unknown and yea hachib bc of the bijuu but still i bet even kisame might of bein able to break out of bc he had a chakra of that bijuu (not saying he will break out of it but theres a slightly chance he could)

dude that is wrong u kno why becos when under genjutsu the ppl need chakra from another source to disturb them out of the genjutsu tech. naaruto has a lot of chakra he got in genjutsu he is just like nagato who is also an uzumaki with a lot of chakra, just becus you hav a lot of chakra does not mean u can get out of genjutsu.

 

[PositiveEmotions]

can u explain it more clearly i don't completely understand what u are saying. I agree every jutsu has a weakness but that it self is not a reason that Nagato vcan break out of tsukiyomi. and he is only the third part of the six paths for madara who has senju dna and uchiha dna.

well i agree on the senju dna also nagato is a uzumaki and if nagato is some how related to naruto not sure if this is true but nagato has the senju dna he might not have the uchiha dna but that does not mean nagato can't break out of tsukiyomi (not saying he can't or can) but theres a chance that he might be able to i mean he defeated hanzu he almost killed naruto thx to hinata he survived and he almost finished kb on the latest chapter (remember naruto still saving chakra) is not save to say who is stronger but i do agree with u that itachi has the most powerfull tsukiyomi even that jutsu has a weakness is just no ninja has ever really discoverd the weakness and also i agree that only an uchiha can break out of tsukiyomi but it would have to b a very skillful uchiha like sasuke and in nagato's case is still unknown dude

 

[PositiveEmotions]

dude that is wrong u kno why becos when under genjutsu the ppl need chakra from another source to disturb them out of the genjutsu tech. naaruto has a lot of chakra he got in genjutsu he is just like nagato who is also an uzumaki with a lot of chakra, just becus you hav a lot of chakra does not mean u can get out of genjutsu.

yes i know this already i know u need another source of chakra the reason y naruto can not get out of genjutsu is because he is lame at it if he knew how he would b able to so far only kb is able to get out of it and yes i agree that just bc the user has a bunch of chakra does not mean he can not get out of genjutsu which i agree with u both but i just feel like theres a ninja who can break out of tsukiyomi if that certain shinobi knows all about it and prevent itself from being caught in that tsukiyomi

 

[kadowade]

yes i agree but nagato has a bunch chakra idk if its n a level of bijuu but it might be that strong and also rinnigan bloodline and sharingan r the most powerful doujutsu so we do not know which is stronger really so for nagato breaking out of itachi's genjutsu is unknown and yea hachib bc of the bijuu but still i bet even kisame might of bein able to break out of bc he had a chakra of that bijuu (not saying he will break out of it but theres a slightly chance he could)

Bee only escaped because of The Hachibi was a DIFFRENT source of chakra and sasukes genjutsu was too weak.

It dosent matterhow strong his chakra is, Naruto had AMAZINGLY strong chakra, yet he couldnt even get out of itachi's regular Genjutsu and it wasent even the "real itachi" It was the fake body that had 30% of Itachi's chakra. Jiraiya taught naruto how to escape a regular genjutsu but it didn't work on itachi, since itachi just reinforced the jutsu and made shuriken disturb naruto from trying to release it

The only reason he got out of that Regular genjutsu is because Chiyo and Sakura WAS A DIFFRENT chakra source, just like how Hachibi is a diffrent source of chakra. But with Tsukiyomi, i dont think that would work since it's already said The only way to counter that in episode 82

 

[juzumaki]

people were talking about nagato who has all the elements

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

the only reason y itachi won is because nagato came to sense and stopped fightingU_U

U don't even hav a sensible counter 2 all i've said. Just give up n agree dat Itachi is better than Nagato

 

[Exaar]

Just let this end already U_U

Let itachis fanbois think itachi is stronger and the rest of NB think nagato is

Shit is getting anoying now

Both are strong both can beat each other, no one wins 100%

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NO ONE CAN COUNTER my FACTS?!

And we have yet to see if any Edo summons have chakra limits,

Itachi is well know for his shity stamina yet so far he has use all his Ms jutsu's, susanoo and a new powerful long range attack that most probably take up a huge amount of chakra aswell.

and yet itachi hasn't shown signs of being tired at all, that makes me think Edo summons have no chakra limit

If thats true then your "saving chakra" facts aint as factual as you claim

If i am wrong, please link the manga showing me and not just saying i am wrong

 

[PositiveEmotions]

Bee only escaped because of The Hachibi was a DIFFRENT source of chakra and sasukes genjutsu was too weak.

It dosent matterhow strong his chakra is, Naruto had AMAZINGLY strong chakra, yet he couldnt even get out of itachi's regular Genjutsu and it wasent even the "real itachi" It was the fake body that had 30% of Itachi's chakra.

The only reason he got out of that Regular genjutsu is because Chiyo and Sakura WAS A DIFFRENT chakra source, just like how Hachibi is a diffrent source of chakra. But with Tsukiyomi, i dont think that would work since it's already said The only way to counter that in episode 82

yes i completely agree with u dude naruto is weak when it comes to genjutsu even now he might still be weak add it if not weaker because kyuubi has naruto's chakra and i do not see naruto being able to escape it even at kcm but yes i agree that sasuke tsukiyomi was weak is because hachibi made kb got out of tsukiyomi like nothing but if kb got hit by itachi's tsukiyomi kb still might be able to get out he might stuggle but i think he could but yea in nagatos case is hard to say and who knows nagato might have other sourced of jutsu that can break out of tsukiyomi (i know seems impossible but in naruto universers anythin is possible)