as we all know.... sharingan has 3 tomoe.... and even in mangekyou form.... it still has 3 .... things ....... even sasuke's has 3 ... you just need to look at it more carefully... obviously..... so...... why does shisui's mangekyou have 4..... things .....????????? I mean..... was it a mistake and a last minute though????? or is kishi trying to hint something????? im stumped..... honestly...... please help me out.... and the others who are curious...
Shisui's Mangekyou Sharingan
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Jon420atrabeza2
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I thought about this too and you're right about it being different. Indeed if you look at Sasuke's MS as 3 pointed ellipses overlapping, it does indeed match the 3-tomoe MS pattern. If really you look at it differently, you could even see the black sections as the 'tomoe' where they would be 3 pairs of curved triangles each connected by a thinly outlined diamond..... but no one really looks at it that way. However, clearly Shisui's MS breaks that pattern for sure. I tried to figure out in my head how 3 distinctly shaped tomoe could form a MS pattern resembling 4 tomoe, but no matter how you slice it, it doesn't work. Clearly Shisui's is made up of a 4-tomoe pattern.
Now with this information, we would have to assume one of 2 things: Either Shisui evolved a normal sharingan with 4-tomoes, which has never been proven to exist and is extremely unlikely, or his MS was unique and formed a 4-tomoe pattern simply due to its special nature. In reality, we have to assume it is that latter and perhaps we can attribute it to either his unique MS technique or perhaps to how he obtained the MS itself, but either would be speculation.
Whatever the explanation, there is one thing that aggravates me more than the 4-tomoes.....the fact that it is so similar to Itachi's! I mean if it only had the 3 tomoe, the only way it would differ from Itachi's would be that it has a regular black pupil when Itachi's is red.... It really irritates me that Kishi would put so little effort into making Shisui's unique. I mean I really like Itachi's, Kakashi's, Madara's and Izuna's, but Kishi went way overboard with Sasuke's and made Shisui's crap..... Now I'm really wondering how Kishi will go about Sasuke's EMS....
Tiger Blood
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First of all,excellent answer.Secondly(and pardon me for making such an obvious statement if you all have thought about this)in regular sharingan I believed the 3 tomoe to represent the three major abilities:copying taijutsu,ninjutsu,and genjutsu.In MS the three tomoe(and I agree,Sasuke had 3 tomoe as well)represented the three special abilities you have(or in Kakashi's case will develop),but Shisui's OBVIOUSLY has 4.So far we only know of it having 2 special abilities, but does this mean that there will be 2 more revealed later on?
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as you can see - shisui's normal sharingan is 3 tomoe's - so he doesnt have 4 tomoe's
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But when looking at his mangekyou it seems like - it can only be formed using a 4 tomoe, because of it sharp corners
i guess its just kishi's way of making shisui stand out as an uchiha even more
Tiger Blood
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Perhaps...but I still feel that there's something to the design.If he wanted to make Shisui stand out from the Uchiha that much then why not give him a crazy design like Sasuke's MS?
Hmm thats an interesting theory; I have heard at least one other person mention a possible connection between the 3 basic abilities and the 3 tomoe, but the bit about the MS tomoe relating to it's number of abilities is completely new to me. In reality, we have only 1 example to act as proof because Itachi and Sasuke are the only 3-tech MS users we know of, and since Sasuke's was hacked by Itachi, we got jipped of his 3 being original.
While I like the theory I have to add the fact that we can only apply it to true Uchiha users with both MS eyes present. Clearly, each set of MS have one unique ability in each eye and a third ability that requires both eyes at once. In Kakashi's special case, he will never be able to awaken any additional abilities because he has only one eye to work with. As for Shisui, imo he has only 1 confirmed ability, that being a complete mind control capable of lasting an unknown amount of time with a 10 year cooldown. I feel that Danzou's use of this tech lies outside the realm of MS and he was able to somehow use a weaker form of the tech while having a much shorter cooldown. I'm not sure what you meant about him having 2 that we know of.
One other thing I want to add is I see the possibility that Shisui has only that one MS ability and nothing else. The only real proof I can back it with is the fact that both of his eyes could use the mind control tech. We know this because he gave one eye to Itachi and one to Danzo, so both had the capability. Because of this fact, the cooldown was really closer to 5 years rather than 10 but it may also have prevented him from gaining any additional techs unique to him....just a possibility imo. I don't honestly believe that the number of MS tomoe relate to the number of abilities it holds, I think that was more of a coincidence than anything. But if you turn out to be right, and Shisui did in fact have 4 unique MS techs, I'll be the first to admit my mistake.
Tiger Blood
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My only other major theory is that the acts commited by a person with a sharingan influence the techniques you will gain with MS.Itachi said he learned what it was to be a ninja from Shisui,the man with(from what we know)had the most powerful MS.Shisui showed complete devotion to his village in his acts(i.e. giving Danzo an eye,and Itachi another and in doing so preventing more fighting).His devotion to his village and the art and concept of ninjutsu could have made his MS as powerful as it is.
As for Itachi's MS,need I say more?He slaughtered near his entire family to save their legacy and the village,he provoked his brother to kill him all the while still holding the utmost love and respect for him.He trusted a jinchurikki with the most powerful MS known to the Narutoverse,when almost noone trusted a tailed beast's vessel at all.All while dying of an incurable disease.He lead a life of pure sacrifice,if not a life of complete devotion to the way of the ninja.
Sasuke(while I consider him to be a brat and immature)lead a fairly horrible life as well.He's an avenger.100%.He watched as his parents were excecuted.His entire family killed.Told by his brother to hate and grow strong.Between Itachi's influence(Amaterasu), the amount of hate Sasuke had for Itachi,and Itachi's hate for himself,I believe that is why not only are Itachi and Sasuke's MS powerful,but extremely similar.
As for Itachi's MS,need I say more?He slaughtered near his entire family to save their legacy and the village,he provoked his brother to kill him all the while still holding the utmost love and respect for him.He trusted a jinchurikki with the most powerful MS known to the Narutoverse,when almost noone trusted a tailed beast's vessel at all.All while dying of an incurable disease.He lead a life of pure sacrifice,if not a life of complete devotion to the way of the ninja.
Sasuke(while I consider him to be a brat and immature)lead a fairly horrible life as well.He's an avenger.100%.He watched as his parents were excecuted.His entire family killed.Told by his brother to hate and grow strong.Between Itachi's influence(Amaterasu), the amount of hate Sasuke had for Itachi,and Itachi's hate for himself,I believe that is why not only are Itachi and Sasuke's MS powerful,but extremely similar.
eyesofthekyuubi44
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Honestly, I think you are overthinking things....
I'm sure Kishimoto just designed it that way for kicks...
Sarutobi Sasuke
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I know the third tomoe allows the user to see an image of the opponent's position, a split second into the future. And allows them to see faster movements. I know this from Naruto and Sasuke's battle at The Valley of the End.