[Discussion] Sasori remains the best in the Sand Village?

[Anub]

I actually dont see any reason to be arguing about this..u_u

According to your logic, then, it would be no reason to argue about who is in the 6th coffin (because we'll see anyway), how strong each shinobi is (because they're either dead, or we'll see in the future) and predictions are also useless because we just need to wait and see.

Then what's the point of this whole forum ?

 

[blackbird31468]

Wrong! It was never stated that he actually defeated him in battle. That "effort" could have meant that he had a hard time tracking him down and/or trying to get to him. In case you've forgotten, the 3rd was said to have disappeared without leaving a trace and no one knew what happened to him for many years. If he had fought the 3rd in battle, don't you think the people in the village would have noticed? And if no one saw it, there would have been traces of evidence left behind, which there was none (which is why no one knew what happened to him). It was so obviously a sneak attack. He most likely stuck a poison needle in the 3rd when he wasn't paying attention. Anyone, even the strongest shinobi, can die from poisoning! If it wasn't for the poison, there is no way that Sasori could have possibly stood a chance against the 3rd. Just sayin'.

what idiot would battle the villages kage inside the village? and you don't know just how strong the 3rd kazekage was so you can't say that he wouldn't stand a chance.

 

[Jae Dong180]

Wrong! It was never stated that he actually defeated him in battle. That "effort" could have meant that he had a hard time tracking him down and/or trying to get to him. In case you've forgotten, the 3rd was said to have disappeared without leaving a trace and no one knew what happened to him for many years. If he had fought the 3rd in battle, don't you think the people in the village would have noticed? And if no one saw it, there would have been traces of evidence left behind, which there was none (which is why no one knew what happened to him). It was so obviously a sneak attack. He most likely stuck a poison needle in the 3rd when he wasn't paying attention. Anyone, even the strongest shinobi, can die from poisoning! If it wasn't for the poison, there is no way that Sasori could have possibly stood a chance against the 3rd. Just sayin'.

So the strongest kazekage ever...so for comparion's sake let's just assume he was about as strong as the strongest hokage ever...

It was a silent night no different than any other and the 3rd kazekage had just finish an important meeting among the top sand officials....He lays in bed preparing to sleep, but little does he know there is a little puppet equipped with poison in his closet.

It is 4 am in the middle of the night and the closet quietly creeks open and a little puppet doll emerges he climbs onto the bed and injects a needle of poision into the 3rd's butt cheeks. The 3rd is sound asleep snoring and is not aware...tthe puppet crawls back into the closet.

He wakes up the next morning and realizes he is very sick and dies 3 days later....When the 3rd kazekage died in his sleep on the 3rd night the closet creeked open again and the tiny puppet abducted the 3rd's corpse to bring back to Sasori...

and this was the story on how Sasori "sneak attacked" the greatest kazekage ever and turned him into his own puppet.

I this reenactment close to what your applying must have happened lol?

 

[MistNinja]

I think that Sasori is not the strongest.

 

[JakeLife510]

Wrong! It was never stated that he actually defeated him in battle. That "effort" could have meant that he had a hard time tracking him down and/or trying to get to him. In case you've forgotten, the 3rd was said to have disappeared without leaving a trace and no one knew what happened to him for many years. If he had fought the 3rd in battle, don't you think the people in the village would have noticed? And if no one saw it, there would have been traces of evidence left behind, which there was none (which is why no one knew what happened to him). It was so obviously a sneak attack. He most likely stuck a poison needle in the 3rd when he wasn't paying attention. Anyone, even the strongest shinobi, can die from poisoning! If it wasn't for the poison, there is no way that Sasori could have possibly stood a chance against the 3rd. Just sayin'.

You tHink a Kage would let a lil 15 year old sneak up on them and poisen them without putting up a fight to protect his title and village?

Just Face it Sasori was the Itachi of the Sand village.

 

[Jae Dong180]

Wrong! It was never stated that he actually defeated him in battle. That "effort" could have meant that he had a hard time tracking him down and/or trying to get to him. In case you've forgotten, the 3rd was said to have disappeared without leaving a trace and no one knew what happened to him for many years. If he had fought the 3rd in battle, don't you think the people in the village would have noticed? And if no one saw it, there would have been traces of evidence left behind, which there was none (which is why no one knew what happened to him). It was so obviously a sneak attack. He most likely stuck a poison needle in the 3rd when he wasn't paying attention. Anyone, even the strongest shinobi, can die from poisoning! If it wasn't for the poison, there is no way that Sasori could have possibly stood a chance against the 3rd. Just sayin'.

I gave you my story on how he might have "sneaked attacked" the 3rd kazekage let's here yours!

 

[lolitaninja]

You tHink a Kage would let a lil 15 year old sneak up on them and poisen them without putting up a fight to protect his title and village?

Just Face it Sasori was the Itachi of the Sand village.

Read Jae Dong180's theory. It's very similar to mine (He just elaborated on it more).

 

[ShinobiNightmare]

Great points, I'd just like to point out something regarding the "huge target on his chest"

1st) Sakura and Chiyo weren't even aware that was his weak point until he revealed it to them so.....obv....it isn't so obv.... unless you already know

2nd) Everyone has a huge target on their chest it is called their heart and if destroyed one dies....it is just they have a layer of skin covering it, but that doesn't mean others don't have a target on their chest as well..(Think back to Kakashi vs Kakazu...Kakuzu is lucky he had 5 lives)

3rd) Getting to his heart isn't as easy as it sounds....because if it was then I guess anyone with a heart would be dead now quite easily because of the target heart location (Sakura, Shikamaru, Sai, etc...)

Okay, you got me, fair enough. :ghehe: I also want to point the rib cage protects the heart as well. Not just the skin. But I've always wondered about his brain. You can transfer your heart, lungs, kidneys, and so on but not the brain. So did Sasori truly have another weak spot? But then again, it is everyone's.

Here are a few more reasons I say Sasori remains the best in the Hidden Sand Village

1) Basically almost all the puppets made in Sunagakure were crafted by Sasori. And that itself was probably a pain.

2) He was soo young he made his first puppet! He has some guts. And other people's gut. (I could not take someone's organs out! EW!)

3) And also, duh? He is Sasori no Danna! - I love Sasori! :flirty1:

 

[Jae Dong180]

Read Jae Dong180's theory. It's very similar to mine (He just elaborated on it more).

Here is the said theory lol....

So the strongest kazekage ever...so for comparion's sake let's just assume he was about as strong as the strongest hokage ever...

It was a silent night no different than any other and the 3rd kazekage had just finish an important meeting among the top sand officials....He lays in bed preparing to sleep, but little does he know there is a little puppet equipped with poison in his closet.

It is 4 am in the middle of the night and the closet quietly creeks open and a little puppet doll emerges he climbs onto the bed and injects a needle of poision into the 3rd's butt cheeks. The 3rd is sound asleep snoring and is not aware...tthe puppet crawls back into the closet.

He wakes up the next morning and realizes he is very sick and dies 3 days later....When the 3rd kazekage died in his sleep on the 3rd night the closet creeked open again and the tiny puppet abducted the 3rd's corpse to bring back to Sasori...

and this was the story on how Sasori "sneak attacked" the greatest kazekage ever and turned him into his own puppet.

Is this re-enactment close to what your applying must have happened lol?

Of course I was being a little sarcastic... a Hokage level shinobi losing like this is kinda.... lame.....lol

If this is you think truly happened then I why can't this "gorilla style tactic" have worked on the likes of all previous hokage and any kage/strongest shinobi for that matter....

I mean your asleep.....and if your not immune to poison then that means your dead?

I mean cmon this is a lame excuse for Sasori haters to come up with in regards to how he "defeated" 3rd kazekage...

but seriously im interested in hearing any other "abduction" or "underhanded" tactics Sasori may have used to beat the 3rd... let the imagination run wild lol....cuz it would be too simple for him to have just defeated him like the manga stated. We must assume it was a sneak attack even though this was never stated.

 

[Kyuubikiller]

Here is the said theory lol....

So the strongest kazekage ever...so for comparion's sake let's just assume he was about as strong as the strongest hokage ever...

It was a silent night no different than any other and the 3rd kazekage had just finish an important meeting among the top sand officials....He lays in bed preparing to sleep, but little does he know there is a little puppet equipped with poison in his closet.

It is 4 am in the middle of the night and the closet quietly creeks open and a little puppet doll emerges he climbs onto the bed and injects a needle of poision into the 3rd's butt cheeks. The 3rd is sound asleep snoring and is not aware...tthe puppet crawls back into the closet.

He wakes up the next morning and realizes he is very sick and dies 3 days later....When the 3rd kazekage died in his sleep on the 3rd night the closet creeked open again and the tiny puppet abducted the 3rd's corpse to bring back to Sasori...

and this was the story on how Sasori "sneak attacked" the greatest kazekage ever and turned him into his own puppet.

Is this re-enactment close to what your applying must have happened lol?

Of course I was being a little sarcastic... a Hokage level shinobi losing like this is kinda.... lame.....lol

If this is you think truly happened then I why can't this "gorilla style tactic" have worked on the likes of all previous hokage and any kage/strongest shinobi for that matter....

I mean your asleep.....and if your not immune to poison then that means your dead?

I mean cmon this is a lame excuse for Sasori haters to come up with in regards to how he "defeated" 3rd kazekage...

but seriously im interested in hearing any other "abduction" or "underhanded" tactics Sasori may have used to beat the 3rd... let the imagination run wild lol....cuz it would be too simple for him to have just defeated him like the manga stated. We must assume it was a sneak attack even though this was never stated.

Yea, because he definitely defeated him without leaving a trace of any kind of battle, it was that easy!! The manga never stated he defeated him in battle, get your facts straight bro.

 

[JakeLife510]

Yea, because he definitely defeated him without leaving a trace of any kind of battle, it was that easy!! The manga never stated he defeated him in battle, get your facts straight bro.

So the Greatest kazeKage ever in all of sand village lost to Sasori? Who Chiyo even said was the most powerful weapon from the sand village.

Sasori Claimed that he had trouble killing him. So he had to put up a fight, right?

It's like your not giving enough credit to Sasori who obviously outsmarted him.
That's like saying did Shikamaru's skills and intelligence prove to outsmart Hidan who is obviously stronger. Same outcome.

 

[sasumaru]

People who still underestimate Sasori can morrons.
He was the strongest from the sand ever!

 

[Jae Dong180]

So the Greatest kazeKage ever in all of sand village lost to Sasori? Who Chiyo even said was the most powerful weapon from the sand village.

Sasori Claimed that he had trouble killing him. So he had to put up a fight, right?

It's like your not giving enough credit to Sasori who obviously outsmarted him.
That's like saying did Shikamaru's skills and intelligence prove to outsmart Hidan who is obviously stronger. Same outcome.

Manga just said Sasori was able to defeat 3rd and that it was very difficult. It never mentions a battlefield nor does it mention some sort of abduction or sneak attack. Did I get these facts straight?

+1 Do you guys consider Shikamaru to have defeated Hidan or would this be considered a "underhanded" tactic as well since he had the whole area rigged up??

 

[Jae Dong180]

People who still underestimate Sasori can morrons.
He was the strongest from the sand ever!

+1 Judging from his body of work he has the most impressive resume of any sand shinobi....

People who say Gaara have nothing to justify this (except their fanboyism) other than the tired ol...

but.....but.......the old lady and the pink haired girl!

 

[deidara senpai]

im not in a explaining mood but i still think sasori is the strongest still so yes

ill explain one third kazekage we have NO CLUE how sasori got him so (idk if people did but im just saying in case) stop saying how he got him and if we dont know we go with most logic....sasori confronted him.......sasori fought him..........and sasori won

im in the most recent manga chapter (548) and gaara doesnt seem strong enough yet close but not enough

 

[Jae Dong180]

im not in a explaining mood but i still think sasori is the strongest still so yes

ill explain one third kazekage we have NO CLUE how sasori got him so (idk if people did but im just saying in case) stop saying how he got him and if we dont know we go with most logic....sasori confronted him.......sasori fought him..........and sasori won

im in the most recent manga chapter (548) and gaara doesnt seem strong enough yet close but not enough

+1 I agree with you Deidara Senpai!! Katsuuu!!!! Art is a Blast!!!!!!

 

[list4e]

Here's what we know so far:

1. Sasori defeated the 3rd Kazekage and controls him as a puppet.
2. 3rd Kazekage was the strongest Kage the sand village ever had and it can be considered a fact up until the last 100 chapters at least. Some of you might say that Gaara might have surpassed the 3rd, but here's my take on that:

a. 3rd Kazekage was older than Gaara so he had a lot of experience.
b. 3rd Kazekage was also smarter than Gaara because he was able to create his own (stronger) version of Shukaku's power. This was named the Iron Sand.
c. I will use my assumption on this one and say Iron Sand > Gaara's Sand.

From (1) and (2 -a,b,c-) and chapters from the manga, I've deduced that Sasori would have stronger jutsus (and sand) than Gaara, he would be smarter than Gaara (was able to outsmart the 3rd) and has more experience than Gaara. Also Gaara is pretty much a sitting duck and the sand does all the work for him, which isn't good news when fighting Sasori, who also has the poison cloud, 100 extra puppets and just 1 weak spot.

As a conclusion to this thread, I would say that Sasori is still the best shinobi in the sand village.

OMG ARE YOU IDIOT? Sasori cant control sand _-_ and sasori was defeated by a girl and old hag so stfu to those who says he is the strongest. if he was the strongest he would have been alive

 

[Anub]

OMG ARE YOU IDIOT? Sasori cant control sand _-_ and sasori was defeated by a girl and old hag so stfu to those who says he is the strongest. if he was the strongest he would have been alive

No, I am not (an) "IDIOT". Sasori controls the Iron Sand btw...

 

[blackmamba24]

sasori>everyone in the sad village

 

[Kaedon]

Honestly, I believe Gaara was stronger than both Deidara and Sasori during their first encounter. The same reason you can't say Sasori isn't a complete badass is the same reason you can't assume Gaara was weaker either and that is they both lost fights due to plot requiring it.

Gaara lost his battle with Deidara essentially because he was throwing a nuke on the entire village and he had to stop it. During the majority of their actual battle Gaara (from my perspective) appeared to have the upper hand. Now, we all know Deidara had more tricks he didn't use and could have but we can't say for sure if they would have made the difference. I am under the belief that at the very least, Deidara could at least tie with Gaara (mutual destruction) if he was willing to go that far.

As for against Sasori, I think its just a poor type match-up. Both fighters are more or less stationary fighters who manipulate something to fight with (puppets vs. sand). So, the first advantage goes to Gaara because he can manipulate sand without the use of his hands and it of course reacts naturally to protect him, even beyond his own reflexes. Whereas Sasori, as talented as he was had to use his hands to manipulate his puppets and therefor would probably react much slower to attacks Gaara could throw.

The second advantage goes to Sasori and that advantage is years of experience. However, Gaara has a rare gift in the Shukaku / Sand which helps negate the fact that he may be caught by surprise more than once. So, while experience may play a factor I don't think its a particularly strong point in this case.

The next advantage I think is the most crucial and that is the sand itself. It was proved in Sasori's battle that sand can more or less immobilize and make puppets useless by clogging the joints. This would work against Sasori in a big way, since his entire arsenal (including himself) happen to be puppets, all of which susceptible to this flaw. Some may argue that the Third Kazekage puppet could counter his sand which is a very poor argument. Gaara's sand manipulation is much greater than that of Sasori's because he's been using it literally all his life and has much greater capacity to use it. His sand is practically limitless, more so depending on his environment. While the Kazekage's is much more limited (being it was all iron and as far as we know he couldn't "make more" like we know Gaara is capable of).

To this end I believe the match up favors Gaara much more than it does Sasori. Does this answer the topic question of who the strongest in the Sand is? No, not entirely. Because that question isn't as simple as "X beats Y, thus X is the best." Instead, it just better answers who could beat who in a proper fight. Sasori could in fact be the better overall warrior but it is my opinion that Gaara holds this title simply because he is an every growing fighter who has actual reason to fight, reason that goes beyond the simplicity of merely fighting because it is all he knows.

A rundown of my opinionated list of great Sand ninja in order:
Gaara, Sasori, Third Kazekage, Fourth Kazekage, Temari (this is more speculation than anything don't take it too serious), Kankuro and finally Chiyo (would rank higher in her prime, most likely). Anyone else in my opinion isn't really worth mentioning.