[Discussion] Sasori remains the best in the Sand Village?

[Ultimatevirus]

thats when he defeated 3rd kazekage.........not sure if he defeated him by fair mean...

 

[Turson]

thats when he defeated 3rd kazekage.........not sure if he defeated him by fair mean...

Sasori was then 15 years old teenage boy, he was far from his prime. He was in his prime when he fought Chiyo and Sakura, with 3rd Kazekage as one of his puppets.

 

[Kyuubikiller]

I think Gaara could easily defeat Sasori, imo, I don't think Sasori beat the third by fair means, but that is just my opinion. Gaara lost to Deidara because Deidara took advantage of the fact Gaara had to protect the village, he was cautious the whole fight because of that. I just don't think his weaoins can get passed Gaara's sand which in recent chapters is proving to be better than his dads. Gaara wins.

 

[Turson]

I think Gaara could easily defeat Sasori

Nope. Iron and > normal sand.

I don't think Sasori beat the third by fair means

Maybe 15 years old Sasori, but prime Sasori is more powerful than 3rd. Simply put, Sasori has everything 3rd had + all his other normal puppets and human puppets. On top of that, his Iron sand is more dangerous, becuase its drained in very strong poison.

 

[Kyuubikiller]

Nope. Iron and > normal sand.

Maybe 15 years old Sasori, but prime Sasori is more powerful than 3rd. Simply put, Sasori has everything 3rd had + all his other normal puppets and human puppets. On top of that, his Iron sand is more dangerous, becuase its drained in very strong poison.

That's your opinion. Gaara wins in mine.

 

[Turson]

That's your opinion. Gaara wins in mine.

But Gaara winning easily? Thats bs. Iron sand is stronger than normal sand, thats a fact. Plus, Sasori is more experienced. Gaara has only one advantage - auto defence granted by his mothers blessing.

 

[Kyuubikiller]

But Gaara winning easily? Thats bs. Iron sand is stronger than normal sand, thats a fact. Plus, Sasori is more experienced. Gaara has only one advantage - auto defence granted by his mothers blessing.

ok, maybe not easily, but it's clear that Gaara's sand is proving to be stronger than his dad's, who has iron sand, so it can't be too much of a fact. I just don't see some puppet throwing poison laced kunai getting passed Gaara's defenses.

 

[Anub]

what u r sayin about me could be true..... but i agai repeat myself that the same manga says naruto defeated pain... but did u anywhere see tht happening othr thn defeatin pain by words...??? similarly there might be some twist to how sasori defeated 3rd kazekage...coz all what manga says sasori defeated him not how he defeated him....u gotta admit the fact that iron sand can kill sasori's techniues easily...

bold: thank you for admitting.

manga doesn't say that Naruto defeated Pain, it shows Naruto vs Pain. And whenever we're shown a battle like that one, you have to admit that it's not a black and white argument in which you can have right or wrong. It's very different. Yes, I can say that Naruto defeated Pain because he defeated all of his bodies. He didn't kill the original, but he could have killed him, that much was obvious. You can also say that Pain toyed with him right before Hinata came, or that Pain tried to capture him and not kill him, so Naruto would have lost. That is also true. In conclusion, that is a very bad example you can give.

Also, Iron Sand is extremely strong, yes, but Sasori is said to have had difficulties killing the kage, which means that he was means to counter him. Remember that Sasori's power doesn't come fully from his kazekage puppet. He's smart, fast and uses one of the strongest (if not the strongest) poisons in the naruto universe. He would have been able to kill the kazekage especially if he planned the fight.

I think Gaara could easily defeat Sasori

I stopped reading here. You are entitled to your opinion, but if your opinion is far fetched, I will fully disregard it. Sasori was a strong member of Akatsuki. Gaara is around Akatsuki level, but not stronger. Worst case scenario for Sasori, Gaara would win by a narrow victory. To say something like "he would easily win" is like saying Sakura would beat A.

 

[Turson]

but it's clear that Gaara's sand is proving to be stronger than his dad's, who has iron sand

Nope. 4th Kazekage dont have Iron sand, but Gold sand. Iron sand > gold sand.

I just don't see some puppet throwing poison laced kunai getting passed Gaara's defenses.

Pioson laced kunais - no. But Iron sand is whole different matter.

 

[Kyuubikiller]

Nope. 4th Kazekage dont have Iron sand, but Gold sand. Iron sand > gold sand.

Pioson laced kunais - no. But Iron sand is whole different matter.

ok, so you're basically saying you think the only reason Sasori will win is because he has the 3rd as a puppet? Well i'm not too sold on the fact that Gaara's sand is weaker, i need proof not assumptions.

 

[Anub]

ok, maybe not easily, but it's clear that Gaara's sand is proving to be stronger than his dad's, who has iron sand, so it can't be too much of a fact. I just don't see some puppet throwing poison laced kunai getting passed Gaara's defenses.

Gaara's dad has gold sand, not iron sand. Iron Sand is presumably the strongest weapon in that village.

 

[Turson]

ok, so you're basically saying you think the only reason Sasori will win is because he has the 3rd as a puppet?

Whats the difference? Sasori was able to make 3rd Kazekages body into his puppet only becuase of his abilities, he was the only puppeter who was able to make human puppets. 3rd Kazekage puppet is his weapon, made by him, its simply part of his power.

Well i'm not too sold on the fact that Gaara's sand is weaker, i need proof not assumptions.

Chiyos word about Iron sand being the most feared weapon in Suna history is strong proof.

 

[DigitalMonster]

read above

siyo already told me. don't fight it

if were going to be looking at puppets too then it would mean 100+ vs 14. it actually makes sasori looks worse. with this post you can see how subjective you are by only counting enemy numbers but not those of your protagonist's

sasori controlled 100 puppets with his own chakra.chiyo and sakura used their chakra respectively.thats why i said 2vs1 is obviously unfair.

a weak point that is in the middle of his body... kakuzu's attacks usually have a large area of effect. and collaboration jutsus are stronger than a single element so fire+air cannot be countered by sasori's water only

iron sand can block elemental blast.ino and choji used rocks to shield themselves from the heart's ninjutsu and iron sand is much,much better material.

Kisame is considered a tailed beast without a heart. and if he unleashes that giant shark missile which absorbs chakra then it can hit sasori with even greater force.though i believe that sasori is powerful, i believe that it would depend on the match up whether he could win or not. naruto could lost to sasori or end with a stale mate i think since he still mainly uses close range combat.

sasori beat one of the five kages.daikodan is not as fast as sasori's stinger although it takes one seal,

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[Lord Painz]

Man in naruto it all about match ups but do you guys think sasori can beat itachi??

 

[DigitalMonster]

Man in naruto it all about match ups but do you guys think sasori can beat itachi??

no.even if he can,with high-dificulty

 

[Kyuubikiller]

Whats the difference? Sasori was able to make 3rd Kazekages body into his puppet only becuase of his abilities, he was the only puppeter who was able to make human puppets. 3rd Kazekage puppet is his weapon, made by him, its simply part of his power.

Chiyos word about Iron sand being the most feared weapon in Suna history is strong proof.

You say it like everyone was trying to make human puppets lol That only proves how sadistic he was to think of something like that. Okay okay, so maybe I don't give enough credit to this iron sand, But as a puppet? I hardly think the third would be as strong as he was alive. Plus Gaara's sand is not just regular sand, it is special, infused with his mother's "essence" so to speak, it's all around more resourceful.

 

[Lord Painz]

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Only reason i say this is because itachi cant put him under of illusion and also so many of puppets

 

[Turson]

But as a puppet? I hardly think the third would be as strong as he was alive.

As Chiyo said, human puppet preserves all techniques and chakra from when it was alive. There is no reason why it should weaker.

 

[Kyuubikiller]

As Chiyo said, human puppet preserves all techniques and chakra from when it was alive. There is no reason why it should weaker.

What about speed? What about the ability to think for themselves? These are all key factors in determining a battle, and though they may have the abilities, they are still just puppets. IWR is also said to grant the same abilities as the user once had, but most people could argue that they seems a lot weaker than the original versions. Just a thought.

 

[Turson]

What about speed?

What it has to do with manipulationg Iran Sand? Gaara is no speed god yet hes powerful shinobi.

What about the ability to think for themselves?

They dont have to think, Sasori is thinking for them.

that they seems a lot weaker than the original versions

There is nothing in manga that suggest that, quite the contrary. As Chiyo said, human puppet preserves all abilities from when it was alive.