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Pain VS Itachi.. Who Would Win?!?!?


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I voted for pain.

There have been made tousands of arguments for both sides already. Most of the people came to the conclusion that it will depend on fighting time, chakra and stamina. So we can't say for 100% sure.

Most of the arguments have been covered by facts from the manga or like the guy above from the narutowiki page. But be careful with narutowiki! Not everything there is true!! Like on the normal wikipedia page.

So there is one thing I would like to add. I rarely post on this forum. It seems that the overall age of a lot of people which post here regulary is 10 or even below. I am so tired of this sharingan, MS bla bla bla Uchiha Uchiha Uchiha....... For me Itachi is the only respectful sharingan user up to now. And I like his character. But have all the Itachi supporter forgotten about the BLINDNESS!!! Itachi was half blind already. Some of you think that Itachi can just spam MS jutsus without consequences. Yeah right:). Someone said, that we saw how fast sasuke was going almost blind. And Itachi was using the MS far longer. So what about pain?? Is the user of the rinnegan going blind too?? The answer is no. So Itachi is handicaped before the fight even starts. The rinnegan is the most unique occular jutsu. The Sage of the six paths had the rinnegan too. And pain has more chakra too. In the end itachi would be blind or overexhausted!! With EMS it's a different story. It's hard to land attacks if you are half-blind or even blind isn't it?

So please stop overrating the MS! A power which makes you blind can't compete with the rinnegan! That's that.
awesome post... lowl I to have to watch what I say due to the age factor...
with an epic post like this NB would see having you as an asset :hug:

whenever I use wiki I make sure I read through it so its correct and based only on the information form the manga... plus I was way to lazy to explain everything and needed references to back up my point of view... and the power to copy and paste was overwhelming...

now as for what you said... I do agree with what your saying... Itachi's blindness factor will be a handicap... but he had no problems dodging Sasukes shurikens... Itachi being as smart as he is would figure out all of the Pain's abilities...

but you have to admit Nagato using Pain and the jutsu's he does, must put a massive strain on his body... no?

we have only seen Nagato fight twice... and every time it seems to me that he is stringing himself... pushing himself to the limit... Itachi on the other hand is way to claim and cool... maybe basing my point of view on this factor I voted on Itachi...

Kishi has sure done an awesome job making these 2 character very likeable... I dont like Itachi more then Nagato... they both helped Naruto out... if anything Nagato was more an enemy to Naruto then Itachi...

win or lose I will vote for Itachi and always have his corner...



:shy: Im not a Uchiha MS fanboy
 
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It is not just the age. Also the fact that if you look at the posts it seems a lot of people here don't have anything else in their life besides posting, direspecting people and hanging around in forums wiht their imaginary friends. Just patheticxd

Well you're right too. Using all 6 paths of pain and a lot of jutsus must consume a lot of chakra and stamina. Nagato even stated that his "moon" was far smaler then the one of the sage of 6 paths. And he was breathing heavily.

Of course Itachi is always calm and cool. That's also his style. But think about it logical, what would be more of a handicap if the fight would go on: being almost blind or being exhausted? And in the fight with sasugay he was fighting differently anyway. But he even got hit at the beginning of the fight from the kage shuriken of sasugay BECAUSE of the blindness(Chapter 389/ page 8). Even if you have trained other senses. In a fight over a long time you are at a big disadvantage if you are almost blind against such a powerful guy such as nagato!

And even if nagato would strain his body. Just look at him. His body was ****ed up already. He could endure it. But if itachi(or sasugay) is using his MS too long it is painful. And finally he will loose the eyelight. That's inevitable. And then is goodbye.

But as you said, both are great characters developed by kishi. So you can turn it around as you want or give a tousand arguments, in the end most fans say the "winner" will be ........... --> the one they like the most. It is that simple:) And then the vote or discussion is no longer objective but becomes subjective!!
 

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Ofc I can't say for sure wich would win and either of these characters are my favourites, I pretty much hate both of them. But to me it seems that Pain has the advantage here.

I mean one of the paths can suck jutsus, meaning he can absorb amaterasu aswell? And Genjutsu wouldn't matter on the corpses since they don't feel anything. Would be rather useless. Jiraiyas genjutsu worked differently since the path was trapped inside that frogs stomach after, so there was a jutsu I doubt Itachi knew how to use:p

And what about that Animal path?
She could summon all those animals all together. I doubt Itachi could hangle all those.
Susanoo then? How about Deva path using all those push moves he used against Narutos Kyuubi? We don't know how it would work but putting all these together it surely seems like Pain would have the upper hand.
And not forgetting the huge push he used to destroy all of Konoha.

Sure, Susanoo was the ultimate defence but so has been everything else and everytime there has been a way to get past them xd
But this is just my opinion.

 

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Here's a person who clearly didn't read the previous arguments

Itachi's genjutsu affects the eyes + all of the pains' vision is connected, including Nagato's + unlike Gai, Nagato's strategy relies heavily on eye-sight when in battle = Itachi traps ALL of the pains if he traps one, including Nagato and even if the other pains are not affected, Nagato is affected.

Unless anyone thinks that Nagato is immune to the strongest genjutsu user known in the naruto universe, stop claiming that "Pain ownz Itachi" please. Thank you

EDIT: one more thing... Itachi is much smarter than Nagato. "why" you ask ? well, because Nagato was defeated by a child like naruto. And intelligence matters in a fight (refer to shikamaru vs hidan)
I don't need to read other arguments . Been in this debate long enough.

Manga proof of Itachi catching multiple people in genjutsu at once?
Tsukoyomi effects a person by traumatising him...Show me how Itachi can break down some one mentally when he is nothing but a dead body whoz being controlled .

All your claims are fanboyish to say the least . Itachi being the strongest genjutsu user ( I agree) has nothing to do with this. Its just Nagato is a bad match up for him.

LOL Nagato would've curbstomped Naruto if he had any intention of killing him.

Haha Hidan is a dumb**** unlike Nagato...who is quite capable of running a powerful organisation like Akatsuki .And also Shikamaru had the complete knowledge on Hidan and had all the time in the world to prepare .
 

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everything you have said is your point of view...

now lets use some manga facts...


A weapon carried by Susanoo, which is claimed to provide one of the highest defenses ever seen in the series, increasing the Susanoo's already formidable defenses to a higher level. The Yata Mirror is a one of the three legendary treasures, and being endowed with all nature transformations, it can change its own characteristics depending on the characteristics of the attack it receives.[1] As such, it is able to block all attacks. Zetsu claimed that this, combined with the Sword of Totsuka, essentially made Susanoo invincible.



The Sword of Totsuka is a variant of Orochimaru's Sword of Kusanagi. Along with the Yata Mirror, the Sword of Totsuka is a weapon carried by Susanoo that exists only in the user, being made up of chakra. Contained in a gourd held by Susanoo's third fore arm, the blade is actually the liquid inside the gourd that is released and shaped, rather than a conventional sword.
Itachi has been seen using it to slash several targets at high speed, when he severed seven of the heads of the Eight Branches Technique with several swings.

This sword can also function as a sealing device. When a target is pierced by this sword, the user need only draw them back into the gourd that serves as a hilt which will keep the victim(s) sealed in an eternal genjutsu, as seen during Itachi's final battle against Orochimaru.


yes this was copy and pasted from the links provided...



Nagato was an extraordinarily powerful shinobi, and recognized as the most powerful member of Akatsuki. It has been noted at several points in time that Nagato possessed an unusually large amount of exceptionally strong chakra, to the point of after he decimated Konoha and fought Naruto Uzumaki, he still had enough strength to revive all of the people he had killed in Konoha. His partner, Konan, had stated that he had never lost a single battle, and that he is "unbeatable".[9] Even Fukasaku stated that without understanding Pain's power, no one could beat him.[10] Madara even noted that Nagato was invincible while praising Jiraiya.[11] Nagato even defeated Jiraiya with ease, after revealing all six of his bodies. Nagato attributes his ability to defeat Jiraiya to the secret of his Six Paths of Pain, stating he might not have won if Jiraiya knew the secret to his techniques. It wasn't until his fight with Naruto that he encountered an opponent capable of matching him, and Zetsu expressed disbelief that Nagato could be defeated even in a weakened state.[12]
Hmm Ok...

If chibuka tensei is used then Itachi will come out it unharmed as Susanoo and the Yata_Mirror would keep him safe and the rocks would pile up around it... not harming Itachi...

The Sword of Totsuka is made from a liquid form... so Itachi could fire 6 blades from inside the gourd that is released and shaped, rather than a conventional sword.
Man...I loving debating in this topic :)..

Susanoo will keep Itachi unharmed...so what next?
How long can Itachi use Susanoo ?
Sword of Totsuka has not shown mountain busting feats...It can't break CT....

Even at a young age, Itachi's intellect and talent showed their brilliance in everything he did... he would figure out what each pain can do in a heart be...
Why is this always brought up?
Itachi has to deal with 6 paths at once...6 paths...Kakshi is close to Itachi in terms of "genius"...And it took sometime for him to figure out the ability of a single path....
Itachi won't even have time to catch breath in this battle. He'll be simply overwhelmed.

Ma and Pa Toad was able to use a genjutsu on Pain... why cant Itachi?
Thats because the mechanism of genjutsu's they use are different.


Amaterasu is the highest level Fire Release technique,[2] and according to Zetsu, one of the most powerful ninjutsu in existence. The jet-black flames of the Amaterasu, said to be the fires from hell that are as hot as the sun, ignite at the focus of the user's vision...
Hungry realm absorbs it.

also all the jutsu's Nagato used put a delay in him using it again... Itachi would wipe him out when this happens... also to use Almighty push to its full effect one Pain will be used...
There are 6 bodies . What will the other 5 be doing when Deva is using Almighty push?

Now Nagato/Pain will have a swarm of summons coming at him which might be enough to keep Itachi busy for a while... The Preta Path could drain up one of Itachi's ninjutsu... but then Itachi will know he is the one whom can drain chakra... one Pain dies... The Naraka Path will bring him back to life... Itachi will know that's his power...
While Itachi is dealing with summons...Asura realm will spam missiles,lasers .
Deva realm will use CT . How can Itachi escape these?

Itachi would fight like an athlete
Nagato would fight like a fat boy that pukes after over exercising
ROFL...


now if you reply to this please VM me the link on my profile as I will not really notice.
On my way..:)..
 
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I voted for pain.

There have been made tousands of arguments for both sides already. Most of the people came to the conclusion that it will depend on fighting time, chakra and stamina. So we can't say for 100% sure.

Most of the arguments have been covered by facts from the manga or like the guy above from the narutowiki page. But be careful with narutowiki! Not everything there is true!! Like on the normal wikipedia page.

So there is one thing I would like to add. I rarely post on this forum. It seems that the overall age of a lot of people which post here regulary is 10 or even below. I am so tired of this sharingan, MS bla bla bla Uchiha Uchiha Uchiha....... For me Itachi is the only respectful sharingan user up to now. And I like his character. But have all the Itachi supporter forgotten about the BLINDNESS!!! Itachi was half blind already. Some of you think that Itachi can just spam MS jutsus without consequences. Yeah right:). Someone said, that we saw how fast sasuke was going almost blind. And Itachi was using the MS far longer. So what about pain?? Is the user of the rinnegan going blind too?? The answer is no. So Itachi is handicaped before the fight even starts. The rinnegan is the most unique occular jutsu. The Sage of the six paths had the rinnegan too. And pain has more chakra too. In the end itachi would be blind or overexhausted!! With EMS it's a different story. It's hard to land attacks if you are half-blind or even blind isn't it?

So please stop overrating the MS! A power which makes you blind can't compete with the rinnegan! That's that.
First of all it's not nice to just start assuming that we have no life and that we're much younger than we actually are.
Second of all, if you would have read the first post, it would have said that it is Itachi at full health, so he doesn't have any handicap coming into this fight.
 

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Hmm Ok...



Man...I loving debating in this topic :)..

Susanoo will keep Itachi unharmed...so what next?
How long can Itachi use Susanoo ?
Sword of Totsuka has not shown mountain busting feats...It can't break CT....



Why is this always brought up?
Itachi has to deal with 6 paths at once...6 paths...Kakshi is close to Itachi in terms of "genius"...And it took sometime for him to figure out the ability of a single path....
Itachi won't even have time to catch breath in this battle. He'll be simply overwhelmed.



Thats because the mechanism of genjutsu's they use are different.



Hungry realm absorbs it.



There are 6 bodies . What will the other 5 be doing when Deva is using Almighty push?



While Itachi is dealing with summons...Asura realm will spam missiles,lasers .
Deva realm will use CT . How can Itachi escape these?



ROFL...




On my way..:)..
What he said.

First of all it's not nice to just start assuming that we have no life and that we're much younger than we actually are.
Second of all, if you would have read the first post, it would have said that it is Itachi at full health, so he doesn't have any handicap coming into this fight.
What he said.

@platinum69 once again you dismissed my arguments (Never said Susano'o would be breached by Cibaku (or chibuka don't remember whatever) tensei but trapped... what does he do after he is out of chakra? (Some people suggested he uses Amaterasu to get out, I said fine why not? But then that would mean he didn't use it really BEFORE CT, if he did MAYBE he can get out of CT but then he is just as good as dead, with no more chakra left and half his vision gone (No not blinded we agreed he was healthy).
"if chibuka tensei is used then Itachi will come out it unharmed as Susanoo and the Yata_Mirror would keep him safe and the rocks would pile up around it... not harming Itachi..." yeah how does he come out exactly? magically?

Also you dismissed my argument that ITACHI is the one that takes a REAL toll on its body, with contrast to Nagato which only uses chakra.

in the end most fans say the "winner" will be ........... --> the one they like the most.
the one I like the most is Itachi, I root for a possible win on his part, why not? depends on how Pain handles Tsukoyomi.
But to me the real winner (which is more likely to win) is Pain, which I don't like at all.
Anyways I think ima stop posting in this thread, the real debate happened already, now people come in without reading what was said before xD it is pointless.
 

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if he did MAYBE he can get out of CT but then he is just as good as dead, with no more chakra left and half his vision gone (No not blinded we agreed he was healthy).


Also you dismissed my argument that ITACHI is the one that takes a REAL toll on its body, with contrast to Nagato which only uses chakra.
I don't like what you said. Itachi won't have half of his vision gone from overusing the MS for one battle. Sasuke practically spammed MS in a few battles and only after a while he started losing vision. We can safely assume that Itachi would lose his chakra faster than his vision.

Now the second part of your post that i quoted is debatable. Let me explain why: Itachi is smart enough to know the risks of MS and it's almost 100% that we won't lose his vision from just one battle. On the other hand we have Nagato, who kills himself because he's overusing his abilities. So then who would take a REAL toll on his body? Is it Itachi's MS or Nagato's rinnegan? Cause the way I see it Nagato faces some of the same problems Itachi does.

Thats because the mechanism of genjutsu's they use are different.
Yes I'm glad you agree. So Itachi's genjutsu affects the vision, which I said before (about 100 times) and thus all the pains including Nagato are affected at the same time
 
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I don't like what you said. Itachi won't have half of his vision gone from overusing the MS for one battle. Sasuke practically spammed MS in a few battles and only after a while he started losing vision. We can safely assume that Itachi would lose his chakra faster than his vision.

Now the second part of your post that i quoted is debatable. Let me explain why: Itachi is smart enough to know the risks of MS and it's almost 100% that we won't lose his vision from just one battle. On the other hand we have Nagato, who kills himself because he's overusing his abilities. So then who would take a REAL toll on his body? Is it Itachi's MS or Nagato's rinnegan? Cause the way I see it Nagato faces some of the same problems Itachi does.

I know I said I would stop arguing this thread lol but when I see a crappy argument like "Nagato died from overusing his powers in battle" it just make want to come back at you xD

Yes I'm glad you agree. So Itachi's genjutsu affects the vision, which I said before (about 100 times) and thus all the pains including Nagato are affected at the same time
Nagato overused his power by bringing EVERY DEAD KONOHA ninja's back to life make no mistake he was just exausted before hand. Now okay Itachi wouldn't loose half the vision in one fight, he clearly did a much better job than Sasuke in managing his MS abilities. But still it takes a toll on him and movements (much like Kakashi after using Kamui when Sakura goes to try and kill Sasuke, he says "Why did she had to do that after I used MS")
Also I know Itachi is smart enough to know the risks of MS abilities but I think one thing we can all agree on is that he will be pushed to use it if he was to fight Pain no?
 

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From earlier posts, I can tell that itachi is more popular than nagato. I think it is obvious who is stronger. Nagato is the strongest of all akatsuki,It's no surprise he is able to command the like of kisame and kakuzu or even orochimaru at one point.
 

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Nagato overused his power by bringing EVERY DEAD KONOHA ninja's back to life make no mistake he was just exausted before hand. Now okay Itachi wouldn't loose half the vision in one fight, he clearly did a much better job than Sasuke in managing his MS abilities. But still it takes a toll on him and movements (much like Kakashi after using Kamui when Sakura goes to try and kill Sasuke, he says "Why did she had to do that after I used MS")
Also I know Itachi is smart enough to know the risks of MS abilities but I think one thing we can all agree on is that he will be pushed to use it if he was to fight Pain no?
Kakashi's body is not a sharingan body, which is an obvious fact, and Itachi even says so when he fights kakashi. I haven't seen any of the Uchiha clan having their body affected after using MS. Look at Itachi vs Sasuke. Actually look at Sasuke vs Danzo. Sasuke overuses MS and his body is fine, it's just his eyesight and chakra that are suffering.

And yes Itachi will be pushed, but as I said before, someone will make a mistake in this fight and lose. Itachi might trap Nagato in a genjutsu very soon or Nagato can use CT while Itachi is off guard, or other things, but either way i would classify it as a close battle, rather than ITACHI WINS or PAIN WINS.
 

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Kakashi's body is not a sharingan body, which is an obvious fact, and Itachi even says so when he fights kakashi. I haven't seen any of the Uchiha clan having their body affected after using MS. Look at Itachi vs Sasuke. Actually look at Sasuke vs Danzo. Sasuke overuses MS and his body is fine, it's just his eyesight and chakra that are suffering.

And yes Itachi will be pushed, but as I said before, someone will make a mistake in this fight and lose. Itachi might trap Nagato in a genjutsu very soon or Nagato can use CT while Itachi is off guard, or other things, but either way i would classify it as a close battle, rather than ITACHI WINS or PAIN WINS.
Then we're in agreement.
 

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i do not care about popularity and iam a bigger fan of itachi than pain but really id say the more itachi fight id say he would only be feedin the hungry realm path coz after seeing him suck in the rasen shuriken which is a pretty strong skill idk man i would say pains abilities would be to much for itachi and i feel most of the people here are just bein blind and are playing favorite
 

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i do not care about popularity and iam a bigger fan of itachi than pain but really id say the more itachi fight id say he would only be feedin the hungry realm path coz after seeing him suck in the rasen shuriken which is a pretty strong skill idk man i would say pains abilities would be to much for itachi and i feel most of the people here are just bein blind and are playing favorite
Itachi has stronger genjutsu than ninjutsu. he'll use genjutsu in this fight for sure
 

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Itachi has stronger genjutsu than ninjutsu. he'll use genjutsu in this fight for sure
itachi's genjutsu is based on sharingan which makes him almost unbeatble in a one on one match but when out numbered 6-1 its preety much useless.

So he will have to use other things
his knife throwing skills : no use
ametarasu: absorbed by absorption pain
susano: may probably take out a few summons and 1-2 bodies at the top but
no problem, revived again.

lets c pain: even if itachi take out all the 6 bodies which is impossible but stll lets assume that, wat he will have no chakra left and in no condition to fight where is nagato is somewhere safe n sound
we have pain that can rip out soul
shinra tensie
chibaku tensie
super wicked summons, invisble summons
robot man with lasers and missiles and inhman strength
do genjutsu work on robots????
even if u torture 6 path of pain in genjutsu, does torturing dead bodies make sense.
they dont feel pain, u use ametarasu and they still keep on fightin making them even more deadlier.
they are revived very easily.
there is a f**king dragon thing which kill u as if u just touch it
chakra absorption, and ninjutsu absorption

how can itachi beat it....
if he was he wouldnt be a subordinate taking orders... he took orders coz he
was weak
 

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When Jiraiya used the Sage Genjutsu on Pain, it disrupted their shared vision. Allowing him to take out 3 paths easily. Now Itachi was a genjutsu master. To say that genjutsu will not work on pain is absolutely false. The arguments of "they are lifeless/ reanimated bodies it won't work" is stupid in my opinion, otherwise Jiraiya and the Sage toads would have failed during their genjutsu attempt.

People who just assume that pain will absorb Amaterasu should stop making that assumption. Amaterasu isn't a regular ninjutsu. I don't think its simple for it to just absorb Amaterasu easily. I'm not saying it will automatically work but its not safe to assume that it won't.

As far as the Path that re animates the other ones. Itachi is a genius, I'm pretty sure he will figure out a plan to take him out. If Naruto did it why do you think Itachi won't be able to? (This also made me question Pain's intelligence if her fell for such a simple plan.)


Now I believe Itachi is strong enough and fast enough to take out most of the paths. (same way Naruto did). The only path I see him having problems with is Deva (Yahiko). Now if you look at his Susano'o he has the Yata Mirror which repelled KIRIN (arguably one of the strongest attacks in the series), I'm pretty sure it can repel Almighty Push, and Universal Pull.
 

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OMFG!!!!! you guys are still arguing????? if ya'll are going to argue pls reread what has all read been said, i mean damm! we already discussed everything about the 2 and had facts to back it up and made sense of it all. yall are arguing bout stuff yall think is true with no evidence. so plssss i beg you, let this thread die, no one will win. no matter what none of you will change ur opinion, lets just agree that they are both great and could go either way. THANK YOU!... SMDH...
 

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itachi's genjutsu is based on sharingan which makes him almost unbeatble in a one on one match but when out numbered 6-1 its preety much useless.

So he will have to use other things
his knife throwing skills : no use
ametarasu: absorbed by absorption pain
susano: may probably take out a few summons and 1-2 bodies at the top but
no problem, revived again.

lets c pain: even if itachi take out all the 6 bodies which is impossible but stll lets assume that, wat he will have no chakra left and in no condition to fight where is nagato is somewhere safe n sound
we have pain that can rip out soul
shinra tensie
chibaku tensie
super wicked summons, invisble summons
robot man with lasers and missiles and inhman strength
do genjutsu work on robots????
even if u torture 6 path of pain in genjutsu, does torturing dead bodies make sense.
they dont feel pain, u use ametarasu and they still keep on fightin making them even more deadlier.
they are revived very easily.
there is a f**king dragon thing which kill u as if u just touch it
chakra absorption, and ninjutsu absorption

how can itachi beat it....
if he was he wouldnt be a subordinate taking orders... he took orders coz he
was weak
Ok wow. I have to write this again because you haven't read any of the comments it seems.
I will copy what I previously said

"So Itachi's genjutsu affects the vision, which I said before (about 100 times) and thus all the pains including Nagato are affected at the same time"

"Itachi's genjutsu affects the eyes + all of the pains' vision is connected, including Nagato's + unlike Gai, Nagato's strategy relies heavily on eye-sight when in battle = Itachi traps ALL of the pains if he traps one, including Nagato and even if the other pains are not affected, Nagato is affected.

Unless anyone thinks that Nagato is immune to the strongest genjutsu user known in the naruto universe, stop claiming that "Pain ownz Itachi" please. Thank you"

I guess that's enough. In a genjutsu battle, it's not Itachi vs 6, it's Itachi vs 1 almost, because whichever pain body gets trapped, NAGATO GETS TRAPPED.

knife throwing skills? really? we're way beyond that...I could say that Nagato's food eating skills are not useless in this battle then.
amaterasu: absorbed by ONE pain, but not the rest and if it touches one of them it keeps burning until it burns them completely
susano'o: can seal their bodies the way it did with orochimaru's maybe? what if it kills the pain that can revive the bodies of the other pains? How can he keep reviving them?
STOP CLAIMING THAT PAIN CAN DO ANYTHING. It's one pain for each different skill. If the pain that revives the rest gets killed, they stop reviving. easy.
Itachi while in susano'o is untouchable by ANYONE, he can use amaterasu and destroy 5 pains while one of the absorbed it, he can use the totsuka blade to seal them away, he can use genjutsu to capture NAGATO, NOT A ROBOT, PLEASE UNDERSTAND WHY (or look up older posts where it is explained in more of a detail). And most likely Itachi has other tricks up his sleeve, seeing how he is in sharingan user and he can copy techniques.
 
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Ok wow. I have to write this again because you haven't read any of the comments it seems.
I will copy what I previously said

"So Itachi's genjutsu affects the vision, which I said before (about 100 times) and thus all the pains including Nagato are affected at the same time"

"Itachi's genjutsu affects the eyes + all of the pains' vision is connected, including Nagato's + unlike Gai, Nagato's strategy relies heavily on eye-sight when in battle = Itachi traps ALL of the pains if he traps one, including Nagato and even if the other pains are not affected, Nagato is affected.

Unless anyone thinks that Nagato is immune to the strongest genjutsu user known in the naruto universe, stop claiming that "Pain ownz Itachi" please. Thank you"

I guess that's enough. In a genjutsu battle, it's not Itachi vs 6, it's Itachi vs 1 almost, because whichever pain body gets trapped, NAGATO GETS TRAPPED.

knife throwing skills? really? we're way beyond that...I could say that Nagato's food eating skills are not useless in this battle then.
amaterasu: absorbed by ONE pain, but not the rest and if it touches one of them it keeps burning until it burns them completely
susano'o: can seal their bodies the way it did with orochimaru's maybe? what if it kills the pain that can revive the bodies of the other pains? How can he keep reviving them?
STOP CLAIMING THAT PAIN CAN DO ANYTHING. It's one pain for each different skill. If the pain that revives the rest gets killed, they stop reviving. easy.
Itachi while in susano'o is untouchable by ANYONE, he can use amaterasu and destroy 5 pains while one of the absorbed it, he can use the totsuka blade to seal them away, he can use genjutsu to capture NAGATO, NOT A ROBOT, PLEASE UNDERSTAND WHY (or look up older posts where it is explained in more of a detail). And most likely Itachi has other tricks up his sleeve, seeing how he is in sharingan user and he can copy techniques.
lol :) k so I won't have to answer Pemayozer cause it seems you had it covered :)
Pffff them Nagato hardcore fans are the real Pain aren't they ?! U_U
 
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