How could mangetsu hozuki master all the sword, isn't it just one of each sword ????
- Thread starter Kriss123
- Start date
fxwarrior
Leaf Village Regular 🍃
- Joined
- Sep 11, 2010
- Messages
- 503
- Reaction score
- 19
I think what they mean by him being the master of all seven sword's, is that he is the leader of the seven swordsman and he can wield any of the seven sword's he want's. Why else do you think he had the scroll that carried the sword's?
BigTDogg220
Anbu Operative 🎭
- Joined
- Jul 30, 2009
- Messages
- 4,462
- Reaction score
- 205
I think he was the newest trainee and he was able to use all the swords properly even the Samehada which doesn't allow just anyone to wield it.
NLee
Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
- Joined
- Mar 27, 2010
- Messages
- 7,056
- Reaction score
- 331
Yeah I agree with this. It was during one of the Akatsuki meetings where Kisame spoke about Suigetsu's brother being called the "2nd coming of the Demon" (or was he talking about Suigetsu?
). Mangetsu wasn't the leader because he wasn't even a member. I don't think the 7 Swordsman even has a leader.
In fact, not all the 7 Swordsmen are there. Choujiro isn't there and he has one of the swords. Since Kabuto couldn't summon Choujiro, he probably included Mangetsu because he (and his brother) were trainees and potential successors.
On a side note:
Maybe that's how new trainee's are recruited. Maybe they first get to learn how to use all of the swords, then once they're officially recruited they train 100% with which ever sword they get
Last edited:
Kriss123
Jōnin Strategist 🧠
- Joined
- Dec 17, 2010
- Messages
- 1,132
- Reaction score
- 37
but wasn't it just one of each sword ? what with the other people in the seven ninja of the mist, did their sword just disappear ?
NLee
Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
- Joined
- Mar 27, 2010
- Messages
- 7,056
- Reaction score
- 331
Mangetsu wasn't the leader because he wasn't even a member of the 7 Swordsman to begin with. He was training to become one of them. I have an idea for why he could use all of the swords in my post above. Tell me what you think =)
R
Rambo200
Guest
Yes, He was the leader and also could control all the swords well.
DaTrutHurtz
Member
- Joined
- Jan 1, 2011
- Messages
- 81
- Reaction score
- 4
lol first of all who and where did it say he was the LEADER of the 7sm....
First we do know that only 4 of the swords were summoned as seen in ch523, this must means that 4 of the 7 swords have no successor, the only 3 swords in use prior to the summoning would be zabuza's Great Beheader, Samehada that KB has, and Chojuro's Hiramekarei. With that being said Mangetsu could've searched for these 4 swords (like Suigetsu did with Zabuza's sword) and learn how to use them.
Now we know that Mangetsu learned to use and had the ability to still summon the other 3 swords stated above, but HOW? I only have one assumption as to how he could've learned how to use Chojuro's sword and that would be.....
felt lazy to type since i alrdy stated this.....But ofc this may not be true, its just my take on things
First we do know that only 4 of the swords were summoned as seen in ch523, this must means that 4 of the 7 swords have no successor, the only 3 swords in use prior to the summoning would be zabuza's Great Beheader, Samehada that KB has, and Chojuro's Hiramekarei. With that being said Mangetsu could've searched for these 4 swords (like Suigetsu did with Zabuza's sword) and learn how to use them.
Now we know that Mangetsu learned to use and had the ability to still summon the other 3 swords stated above, but HOW? I only have one assumption as to how he could've learned how to use Chojuro's sword and that would be.....
felt lazy to type since i alrdy stated this.....But ofc this may not be true, its just my take on things
BarBoBot
Leaf Village Regular 🍃
- Joined
- Dec 28, 2009
- Messages
- 792
- Reaction score
- 57
Yeah I agree with this. It was during one of the Akatsuki meetings where Kisame spoke about Suigetsu's brother being called the "2nd coming of the Demon" (or was he talking about Suigetsu?
Mangetsu wasn't the leader because he wasn't even a member. I don't think the 7 Swordsman even has a leader.
WTF? kabuto summoned him with the rest of the swordsman, and he is able to summon the swords....how is it that you dont get that mangestu was a swordsman?
In fact, not all the 7 Swordsmen are there. Choujiro isn't there and he has one of the swords. Since Kabuto couldn't summon Choujiro, he probably included Mangetsu because he (and his brother) were trainees and potential successors.
Of course choujiro isnt there.......edo tensei summons the DEAD. He is still LIVING.... kabuto summoned the PREVIOUS generation of 7 swordsman...get your facts straight.
second, when the scroll is used to summon the swords, there were 7 seals. 3 of the seals were dark, and those were the 3 swords not summoned....zabuza already had his, KB has samehada, and choujiro has the last sword.
On a side note:
Maybe that's how new trainee's are recruited. Maybe they first get to learn how to use all of the swords, then once they're officially recruited they train 100% with which ever sword they get
:flaw:
Last edited:
Inception
Jōnin Strategist 🧠
- Joined
- Sep 9, 2010
- Messages
- 1,161
- Reaction score
- 45
7 Swordsmen of the Mist
- Beheader; Zabusa Momochi
- Samehada; Fuguki Suikazan (original wielder), Kisame Hoshigaki
- Fangs; Ringo Ameyuri
- Helmsplitter; Akebino Jinin
- Threading Needle; Kushimaru Kuriarare
- Splash; Jinpachi Munashi
- Twin Sword; Chojuro
Suigetsu and Mangetsu wanted to be amongst them.
No leaders, no ranks. Just 7 ninjas who graduated from the "Bloody Mist" exam and had incredible swordsmanship.
Naruto Wiki is reporting Mangetsu as being one of the swordsmen before his death. This is not even confirmed yet... Suigetsu said Mangetsu mastered all 7 swords. He didn't say he was one of the seven ninja swordsmen of the Mist.
Mangetsu is not one of the swordsmen, Choujirou is and he's probably from the previous generation as Suigetsu doesn't mention his previous owner and Kabuto has not summoned anyone from the previous generation who wielded the Twin Swords. Meaning he's the only remaining original member left who is still a hidden Mist ninja.
As for Mangetsu summoning the swords, it could be Kabuto's doing. He did do the grave robbing...
Again, just because Suigetsu praises his brother as the ninja who mastered all 7 swords doesn't make him the strongest and definitely doesn't make him the leader. He wasn't part of the group but his goal was to join. He was killed and Suigetsu was captured probably due to his unique water body Kekkei Genkai. His brother has the same ability it seems.
- Beheader; Zabusa Momochi
- Samehada; Fuguki Suikazan (original wielder), Kisame Hoshigaki
- Fangs; Ringo Ameyuri
- Helmsplitter; Akebino Jinin
- Threading Needle; Kushimaru Kuriarare
- Splash; Jinpachi Munashi
- Twin Sword; Chojuro
Suigetsu and Mangetsu wanted to be amongst them.
No leaders, no ranks. Just 7 ninjas who graduated from the "Bloody Mist" exam and had incredible swordsmanship.
Naruto Wiki is reporting Mangetsu as being one of the swordsmen before his death. This is not even confirmed yet... Suigetsu said Mangetsu mastered all 7 swords. He didn't say he was one of the seven ninja swordsmen of the Mist.
You must be registered for see links
Mangetsu is not one of the swordsmen, Choujirou is and he's probably from the previous generation as Suigetsu doesn't mention his previous owner and Kabuto has not summoned anyone from the previous generation who wielded the Twin Swords. Meaning he's the only remaining original member left who is still a hidden Mist ninja.
As for Mangetsu summoning the swords, it could be Kabuto's doing. He did do the grave robbing...
Again, just because Suigetsu praises his brother as the ninja who mastered all 7 swords doesn't make him the strongest and definitely doesn't make him the leader. He wasn't part of the group but his goal was to join. He was killed and Suigetsu was captured probably due to his unique water body Kekkei Genkai. His brother has the same ability it seems.
Last edited:
DaTrutHurtz
Member
- Joined
- Jan 1, 2011
- Messages
- 81
- Reaction score
- 4
maybe i wasnt looking correctly but who said Suigetsu ALSO mastered all 7 swords, i dont see that anywhere
And your idea of Kabuto being the one who summoned the swords makes sense....BUT, lets say Mangetsu was still alive, why would he carry all the swords he could use (Lets say he had possesion of the same swords that were summoned) when he could just summon them....
If he's anything like Suigetsu (which i believe he is) then just like his brother he would get extremely tired carrying those weapons (like Suigetsu did carrying Zabuza's sword & we are talking about more than 1 sword in Mangetsu's case) and would be exhausted. So to improvise it would be smart to just summon up your weapon when needed (which i believe HE, not Kabuto did).
Just my thoughts....
Floydical
Anbu Operative 🎭
- Joined
- Sep 15, 2010
- Messages
- 4,030
- Reaction score
- 574
Hmm Choujirou a part of the previous generation? That would make sense considering there was no one summoned from the group of 7 that was confirmed to have used the twin blade.....but alas that is not so:
You must be registered for see links
The top right panel with Choujirou was confusing to read, and I think only now I understand it. It clearly states here that Choujirou is of the current generation, but it also clearly states that the way to fight with each of the 7 swords was passed down the generations of the Hidden Mist. This basically confirms that Mangetsu could master all 7 without actually having sole possession of it. However, the last line in that panel is still up for debate. DaTruthHurts has told his position to me, that this statement ("Hiramekarei is the only one of the originals left") means that it has no previous owners before Choujirou. That does make sense considering the context. That means that his sword was the last one to be in sole possession of the Mist.
Basically, we know that Zabuza and Kisame eventually took sole possession of their swords and left the country. It seems that the 4 swords we were introduced to in 523 at some point were released to their owners by the Mist Village. But it seems that the Hiramekarei was the last one of the 7 to be owned by the village. It does seem that Choujirou is the 1st and only long term wielder of the blade.
NLee
Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
- Joined
- Mar 27, 2010
- Messages
- 7,056
- Reaction score
- 331
The 7 Swordsmen each have ONE sword. A member wouldn't master all 7. Here's how it works: There are 7 swords and 7 swordsmen. Each sword gets passed down to a new member of the group. If Mangetsu was a member, then he would have had one.
Just because he summoned them with the scroll means nothing. Kabuto is the one who collected them. He wouldn't have had them in the first place anyways because they would have been in the hands of whichever swordsmen was in charge of it.
He couldn't possibly have had ALL of them, because he didn't have Choujirou's sword and we know for a fact that he didn't and never had Kisame's sword.
Kisame is older than Suigetsu and Mangetsu, and we know for a fact that the Samehada went directly from Fuguki to Kisame when he killed him. Suigetsu also says that Fuguki was the original wielder of Samehada, which means there was no previous wielder before him. If Suigetsu meant to say previous wielder, then he would have said it. Instead he chose to say original
You must be registered for see links
Mangetsu never had the Samehada. Kisame had it the entire time since he joined Akatsuki which was some odd years ago up until it went to Killer Bee.
... I know. That's why I SAID he wasn't there. Thank you for telling me what I already said -_-. Get my facts straight? Are you kidding me? They were straight from the beginning. It's not my fault you had trouble interpreting them.
Not all 7 Swordsmen could be summoned because Choujiro is still alive. He's part of the current generation. That's why Kabuto could have chosen to summon Mangetsu instead because he was a recruit and possible successor, in which case if they're strong enough then it's as good as summoning a member anyways.
At least show evidence to support your claims if you're going to argue my point you little prick.
Last edited:
NLee
Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
- Joined
- Mar 27, 2010
- Messages
- 7,056
- Reaction score
- 331
I couldn't agree more.
Actually, I think in the 3rd Data Book it states Suigetsu AND Mangetsu were both training to become members but Mangetsu died early. If anyone can find it that'd be great.
Now i remember, i forgot what chapter but when the kages meeting are held, chojuro said something like this "Before come here, my MASTER told me that kisame blablabla" That means his master (last gen of 7SM who had the twin sword) is still alive...
BarBoBot
Leaf Village Regular 🍃
- Joined
- Dec 28, 2009
- Messages
- 792
- Reaction score
- 57
the 7 swordsman were a TEAM. That means they TRAINED together.
Explain why the f*ck it says in the manga he mastered all 7 swords unless HE ACTUALLY TRAINED WITH ALL & SWORDS.
You cant master samehada by looking at it dumba$$.
Did you ever think that maybe ALL the 7 swordsman trained with the swords and that they were given the swords based on who weilded each one best?
Also, suigetsu calls choujiro a KID in the last manga....how can a KID be a member of the PREVIOUS 7 swordsman.....did he join as a fetus?
ffs suigetsu doesnt even know that kabuto summoned the swordsman, yet when he is telling juugo about the 7 swordsman, he mentions his brother mangetsu as the one who mastered all the swords.....how much more clear does it have to be?
mangetsu is obviously a member of the previous 7 swordsman
:flaw:
Last edited: