Sasuke absolutely didn't beat up Killer Bee. Killer Bee completely dominated the fight and would've killed Sasuke twice if not for Jugo and Karin...you call that beating Bee up. Killer Bee just wanted to get out of the village for a while so he made it look like he was captured. Granted the Raikage (A) seemed more dominate, but he lost his forearm and would've lost his leg if not for Gaara using his brain.
A version 2 Killer Bee or a fully transformed Killer Bee would likely be too much for Raikage to deal with. I'm just surprised this discussion has kept going on. I think the likelyhood is Killer Bee in his base form may be weaker than Raikage, but not when he transforms.
good point made and i agree had not Karin and Jugo been there Sasuke would have died twice. but in the end Sasuke beat a full form 8 tails with amterasu and won the fight. Sasuke beat Bee. and Bee did not plan to escape out of the fight. he said it himself that it was a spur of the moment idea.
Raikage lost his arm but he lost it on his own choice when he chose to attack Sasuke. he was not attacked by amterasu and couldnt be hit by it because of his speed.
the 4th Hokage took on 9tails, the 1st Hokage personally captured all the tailed beast like they were pokemon and handed them out to other villages like christams presents, every akatsuki member took on jinchurikis and some of those jinchurikis went into their beast mode and was still handled ex. Yugito, the 3rd tail, and Bee was handled easily with a amterasu from Sasuke. so Raikage being the strongest in the village and Bee's older brother i find it very possible that he can fight his baby bro in his full form. if Raikage fought a stronger Sasuke and Sasuke beat Bee who was weaker at the time (like you said he almost died twice and he didnt even use sasuno) than i think Raikage can take on Bee full form no prob.
Raikage charged up has tailed beast chakra so with that said he may be at the same level of power with a full form Bee.
I think Bee. First of all he possess the eight tailed beast, Second is he is a god-damned skilled ninja. But impressive thing though, Bee Mentioned that his brother evaded his eight taled form when he attacked him.
you should read all the past arguements. and Raikage did not "evade" he specifically deflected! like i said read the past arguements
Killer bee is a swordsman and a jinchuuriki...bee wins hands down
lol read the past arguements. being a swordsman and jinchuriki doesnt automatically win. most of the jinchurikis have been already owned including Bee by Sasuke. and Raikage had gave Sasuke a better fight.
Really man your arguments are sooo long you can't blame someone if they miss a point or two. Nevertheless i will try to address as many as possible(and make my own arguments long as well lol).
The raikage had much more backup then sasuke, even if they did not come to his aid immediately, there were 3 other kages present along with 2 jounins per kage( beside his own).
There is no way to prove the 'iron claw' comment was seriously made.
I would assume training to control a tailed beast is waaaaay tougher and on a whole other level than training to become a genin, so the sensei doing the trainin has to be on a whole other level as well.
Deflect, dodge or block, fact is it was one move, it does'nt prove that A won, only that he countered that one move, that is not the same as owning him.
Sasuke did not win the fight against bee, he thought he had ( but was proven to be wrong). The fight would have been won had bee been captured. If the susanoo was incomplete, it does'nt matter if the ribs appear to be cracked, i don't accept the argument that it was still somewhat strong.......it would have become way stronger had the fight dragged on. Sasuke would not have died, and was probably much closer to death against bee than the raikage.
'One' ametarasu did not bring down the whole 8 tails....it was a scam, a farce, an illusion, sorry but thats poor reasoning.
See, now you missed my point completely......please don't tell me to read the manga, read between the lines. It does'nt matter about the goal or mission of killing the other kages, why was danzou significant ?? Because he ordered the murder of the uchiha clan, the restoration of which was sasuke's LIFE GOAL, waaaaaaaaaayyyyyy more important than one random mission to kill the kages.
You cannot say the 8 tails got owned by sasuke, please stop saying that. Then also say that the 5 kages( including A) also got owned. Sasuke's mission if you mention it, was also to 'capture the 8 tails' NOT to appear as if he had owned him......the 8tails escaped, was not extracted, so the mission was a failure.
lol srry i understand its just i try to be thorough.
the thing about the back up though is you have to realize and remember Sasuke had back up and told Jugo and Suigetsu not to interfere and Raikage only had Darui helping him in the fight and Darui stopped fighting just to witness the fight cuz it got so epic. also Raikage did not want anybody interfering in his revenge and it shows when he got pissed that Gaara intervened. and none of the Kages and ninjas were going to hop in that fight with Raikage vs Sasuke. Tsuchikage told his granddaughter who wanted to see the fight not to hop or specifically "stay out of the Raikage's way or he'll kill you" and she said "yea i know" she went to watch the fight but did not hop in. and the other kages could have left the room but instead decided to stay in the room instead. idk y. also even though Sasuke was outnumbered fact is he fought everyone one on one except that quadrouple team which didnt leave a scratch on him anyways.
the training Naruto arguement is still a weak one though. Bee is the only one that can train Naruto in controlling a jinchuriki because Bee is the best bijuu controller. Raikage cant train Naruto because he doesnt no anything about controlling a bijuu. why? because he isnt a jinchuriki! how do you know if Raikage was a jinchuriki he would be training Naruto instead of Bee? he probably would adding to the fact that Raikage alone already has beast lvl chakra and would have tailed beast chakra added on to that?! but anyways we will never know and that arguement was a fallacy. a unfair arguement.
you make alot of great points and arguements.. but.....
deflecting the 8tails lariat is significant because only 2 ppl have been able to do that out of everybody Bee has fought. that means the move has a 98% hit rate. its a really strong move!! plus it kills leaivng the opponent with a hole in their chest like when Sasuke was hit with it the 2nd time during the fight!. its like somebody surviving a rasenshuriken or better yet deflecting a it head on.. understand what im saying? so it goes to show a upper hand that Raikage had on Bee.. no it doesnt prove that he wins but it proves that Raikage has a better chance at winning.
Bee full form was hit with the amterasu and submitted by it. if Sasuke hadn't cut a tentancle that allowed Bee to escaped than it can be safe to assume that Bee would have been captured. remember that full fomr Bee was hit by amterasu before having a tentacle cut off so Bee was done for and used his ligament being cut off as a chance to flee. but i agree owned may not be the best phrase and Sasuke did fail his mission but i still give Sasuke the win because he forced Bee to hide, retreat and escape with the amterasu. Sasuke tried to force Raikage not to attack him by surrounding himself with amterasu but Raikage hit him anyways.
the ribs did not "appear" to be cracked they were cracked! even though incomplete the susano withstood a Raiga bomb that no one had survived from and a combined attack from the sand ninjas and Darui. it was strong enough at the time. honestly your right Sasuke was closer to dying when fighting Bee but that was agaisnt a Sasuno-less Sasuke. had Sasuke had or used Sasuno there wouldnt be that many close calls and Bee most likely would have been captured. Sasuke almost captured Bee without it, with Sasuno even incomplete, capture would have been inevitable. i still stand that Raiga bomb would have killed without sasuno and that leg drop would too without Gaara interfering. if Raikage had faced Sasuke without Sasuno like Bee did, Raiga bomb would have killed him for sure.
i agree that Danzo was more significant but that doesnt change that Sasuke still wanted the other kages dead as well. his goal was probably handle them all at once at the summit but once Danzo tried to escape following him was top priority.
ok i will not say owned but i will say Bee definently lost! being forced to flee, escape or retreat is a loss! i'll admit the other Kages did not do a very good job agaisnt Sasuke either but Raikage held his own and was not forced to retreat like Bee.
