[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 521 Discussion and 522 Predictions

[Nin]

Right So what do you think what will happen next.

 

[Floydical]

how can you proof that litle white snake is orochimaru?

anko also killed one white snake when that white snake is burnt up by amateratsu....

I think your right, that snake was not Orochimaru. Oro was completely surprised by what Itachi had in store that day and was undoubtedly sealed. When it comes to that last snake, it was merely a representation of a final bit of Oro's body free in the world. Since that little piece of him was destroyed, we know that nothing more will happen with Oro. Now only Kabuto has access to his DNA through his own body.

When it comes to the snake Anko killed, it was a matter of fate. That event was meant to show us, in addition to Anko, that Oro was now dead. Remember that the snake was a big part in Oro's life, like when he found the rare snake skin on his parent's grave. It was simply a clever way of ending Oro's part of the story.

 

[Genjitxu]

Floydical - Sennin Jin I'm with you to a point there with Sasuke. I can't really explain how far he intended to go with Sakura and if he was really going to kill her or not. Consider this though.
From the moment he woke up after fighting Itachi, Sasuke has more or less been a prisoner of Uchiha Madara. Don't forget that Sasuke tried to take Madara out with a chidori when he threatened him for not capturing the hachibi. I think the steps Sasuke has taken since then have been to systematically distance himself from his friends in team Hebi for the purpose of protecting them. No one has explained why Sasuke activated his sharingan before cutting through Karin and Danzo. I think it was to avoid a vital spot because with all of them, Suigetsu, Hugo, and Karin... the net effect of what he's done so far is to distance his friends from Uchiha Madara. They are all relatively safe at this point.
On the other hand, I do believe that Sasuke believes most of what comes out of his mouth. If it were any other way, say if he had tried to send some message to Naruto there when they exchanged punches, then the Zetsu spores on Sasuke would have noticed his deceit.
Basically I'm just hoping that the end fight goes down like the original with Zabuza... that Sasuke and Naruto are on the same page, and the music changes with the drums, and Naruto is really a shadow shuriken and YEAH Madara goes down somehow

 

[GezzLaa123]

this battle is going to be amazing once naruto gets that ratio right with his new jutsu he's gonna be so powerful, and is going to win the war for all the countries, thats my opinion

 

[Floydical]

Floydical - Sennin Jin I'm with you to a point there with Sasuke. I can't really explain how far he intended to go with Sakura and if he was really going to kill her or not. Consider this though.
From the moment he woke up after fighting Itachi, Sasuke has more or less been a prisoner of Uchiha Madara. Don't forget that Sasuke tried to take Madara out with a chidori when he threatened him for not capturing the hachibi. I think the steps Sasuke has taken since then have been to systematically distance himself from his friends in team Hebi for the purpose of protecting them. No one has explained why Sasuke activated his sharingan before cutting through Karin and Danzo. I think it was to avoid a vital spot because with all of them, Suigetsu, Hugo, and Karin... the net effect of what he's done so far is to distance his friends from Uchiha Madara. They are all relatively safe at this point.
On the other hand, I do believe that Sasuke believes most of what comes out of his mouth. If it were any other way, say if he had tried to send some message to Naruto there when they exchanged punches, then the Zetsu spores on Sasuke would have noticed his deceit.
Basically I'm just hoping that the end fight goes down like the original with Zabuza... that Sasuke and Naruto are on the same page, and the music changes with the drums, and Naruto is really a shadow shuriken and YEAH Madara goes down somehow

Good point about him activating the sharingan before killing Danzou. I looked back and before he did it he said, "Don't move Karin", which means that he knew for a fact that piercing her would no kill her; considering she is much shorter than Danzou and he went straight for Danzou's heart. I think your right about that idea. But even though he knew that would not kill her, it was clear that his demeanor was still of heartless revenge, having done what he did.

In regard to his old team 7, I think Sasuke is quite at odds with them. He has no feelings for any of them anymore. He went for Sakura twice, once with chidori and once with a kunai, both times he meant to kill her. Considering she had the full intent to kill him, Sasuke felt it was necessary to survive:

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as for his hate for Kakashi, he said that he would love to kill Kakashi and expresses extreme discuss for Kakashi using the Sharingan, something we never saw before Sasuke finding out Itachi's truth:

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and as for the village, he strongly feels that the life of his brother and his clan, far outweigh the current happiness of the village:

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As for Naruto, Sasuke holds to the fact that he does not care for Naruto because he does not know the pain of loosing everything he had and claimed before that he only spared Naruto at the Valley of the End to defy Itachi's wishes (since at that time he still hated Itachi). But we can see that Naruto is Sasuke's one weak point, if any. However, he still holds to having no feelings toward him:

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Basically, I really think Sasuke has no interest to keep team 7 and the leaf out of harms way. However, I suppose him putting on this whole ruse to keep them away from Madara is possible, we did see him bluff Sakura early in this fight....

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[Nin]

Right So If what will happen Next to Kakashi and Zabuza?

 

[Cooldragon]

@Nin:
Fight!

 

[Yukimaru Yoshi]

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Reading a lot of information, especially information from issue 520 (I've read some of the spoilers), I'm starting to put together a theory about Madara. I'm marking this post as a SPOILER because I mention some things from the spoiler for 520. Don't read this if you are trying to be surprised by 520.

What do we know about Tobirama? He was extremely powerful. He was a master of water style and space/time jutsus. He also apparently conceived of the most evil jutsu in the entire series: Edo Tensei, the ability to trap a dead soul into a body by killing a sacrifice. When he become Hokage, Tobirama created the police force to segregate the Uchiha from the rest of the village. Tobirama sacrificed himself during the second great ninja war to save his squad. We never see him die, and none of the characters seem to have seen it either. He was apparently the most powerful ninja alive at the time of his death.

What do we know about Madara? He was an extemely powerful Uchiha who frequently fought Hashirama, because the two of them were the tops of their clans. He apparently died in battle against Hashirama, with many witnesses. But he claims otherwise: Instead of dieing he somehow gained Hashirama's power during the battle and eventually learned Izanagi, Gained the rinnegan to give to Nagato, grew some of Hashirama's cells for the big flower thing, and used it to create a gigantic army of Zetsu clones.

Much later, Orochimaru learns the secrets of Edo Tensei and "perfects" it before being merged with Kabuto. Keep in mind that only Kabuto called in "perfect", and Kabuto is evil. Tobirama would not have called Kabuto's version of Edo Tensei "perfect". In fact, I don't think the two are the same jutsu.

If Tobirama was a good guy, it seems weird that he would have created the most evil jutsu. I think it's pretty unlikely that Tobirama would have ever attempted it or practiced it, because people would get upset if the Hokage were killing sacrifices to test a new Jutsu. That's an evil kind of thing and not something the Hokage would be able to do. Tobirama loved his people, loved his village, sacrificed himself for others, and would not have used something evil like Edo Tensei. He probably wouldn't even have thought about it, at least not the way Orochimaru used it.

Orochimaru on the other hand is evil. He can do evil things like kill people for Edo Tensei. We frequently see him sacrifice the people around him for his personal gain. We frequently see him kill people for experiments, and he would have had no problem doing that for Edo Tensei. Kabuto claims he did many experiments with it.

Let's assume that Tobirama developed a technique that allowed him to communicate with the souls of dead people, and maybe gain their power and learn techniques from those souls, temporarily. This technique would have been very helpful, but it would have been limited because Tobirama didn't want to hurt anybody while doing it. Even in this limited state, Tobirama would have appeared to be the most powerful ninja in the world because he could use the combined powers of other ninja who had already died. Orochimaru would have seen the limitations as "imperfections" and would have been eager to "perfect" the technique. He wouldn't have worried about killing people in his experiments until he found a version that he could use.

Tobirama develops a technique that helps give him power and knowledge. It allows him to use the souls of dead friends to help him protect the village. This is perfectly reasonable, and something a Hokage might do. It is a little dark, but isn't evil and doesn't require sacrifice. Plus, it helps people communicate with their dead loved ones, and bring peace to souls killed in battle. Orochimaru turned it evil, but removed some of the limitations from it.

This assumption is perfectly in line with everything we know about these two characters: Tobirama loves people and forms strong bonds with them which last after death. Orochimaru does not value people, and is willing to sacrifice their lives for his experiments and use their souls as tools to help increase his power.

Now, enter Madara/Toby. This character does not appear to have any EMS techniques like the real Madara was supposed to have. He also was supposed to have died in the Valley of the End, but is still alive. Itachi says he is just a shell of his former self. He now has Izanagi, which appears to require both Uchiha and Senju essence in order to perform it.

What if Madara is an Edo Tensei soul trapped in the living body of Tobirama? What if Madara is a "shell of his former self" because he was created using the "imperfect" form of Edo Tensei that Tobirama created?

Tobirama is in the second ninja war and his team is surrounded. He sends the rest of his team off and prepares to engage 20 ninja by himself. He's fighting and dieing, so he uses one last Jutsu: Edo Tensei. He summons the soul of a powerful warrior into himself so he can give his friends a few more minutes to escape. That powerful warrior is Madara. Madara's soul gives Tobirama more chakra and he can continue the fight, eventually defeating all his enemies.

Tobirama would have used space/time jutsus in the battle, so Madara's soul would have witnessed those and learned them. Tobirama would probably not have used Edo Tensei again, so Madara's soul would not have seen it and would not know it.

Kabuto's Edo Tensei keeps all the abilities of the soul he summons: Itachi still has his MS, Nagato still has his rinnegan, etc. The souls that Kabuto summons are also invincible. Either of these things could change as the limitations in Tobirama's version. Maybe the summoned madara had sharingan but not EMS. Maybe he could live for a long time but was not completely invulnerable

Tobirama uses almost all his chakra and cannot control the soul of Madara Uchiha any more. He dies, and Madara's soul takes over his body. Now we have "Madara" with the body of the Senju and the spirit of the Uchiha, with Sharingan (but not MS), with powerful space/time jutsu like Tobirama had, but limited in power because of the "incomplete" Edo Tensei that Tobirama used. He's probably not indestructable like Kabuto's version, but he has been alive for a very long time without dieing. He is now a shell of his former self who needs to use the power of the Sage of Six paths to make himself whole again. In other words, he needs to create a real body for himself, and move his soul back into a real Uchiha body where he will gain all of his old powers again.

Madara's "real" body could not be in the coffin, because Madara's soul is in Tobirama and cannot be summoned from there. Tobirama could not be in the coffin either, because he cannot be summoned again, because he was sealed by Hiruzen. This theory does not explain who was in that damn coffin.

Tell me what do you think, guys? That theory may best than Obito's theory.

Hey man great theory I enjoyed reading it. During this theory there were a few things that would make it slightly faulty. Heres my constructive criticism which questions your theory in Red..

My first argument would be against the 2nd Hokage summoning Uchiha Madara to aid him in battle. If the 2nd would have summon anyone during that time it would most likely be his brother the 1st Hokage due to the fact they both worked together for so long as and the 1st was just as strong as madara..

my second argument comes with Madara's soul taking over the 2nd's body. I like the Idea, but consider Oro summoned the 2nd during the chuunin exam, we know that the 2nd Hokage's body has been retrieved by konoha. In further detail, if Madara currently posses the 2nd Hokages body then Oro couldn't have used it for his Edo Tensei. Why? because Edo Tensei requires DNA from the dead body..if Madara had possession of that body then Oro would have been able to obtain that DNA because the body wouldn't have been buried. Also to add, because the 2nd was summon during that battle, and he did have his actual soul in his body we know for sure that madara's soul couldn't have taken over his body.

I do agree however that Madara's original body isn't 100% original or he is not in his current body (which is prob decayed by now unless its preserved) or he is inhabiting another Uchiha's body which could be a possibility. Consider he has plans to syn Sasuke with the Gedo Statue I believe he is waiting to take over sasuke's body. Other then that I enjoyed reading ur theory hope you don't mind me voicing my opinion.

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yes sennin...

it is agreed then that both Naruto and sasuke are genuises for the two of us.
it doesnt matter how ...but that they both are -- seems nice as confirmation.

now, with sasuke's plight re karin...we view it differently.
come to think of it...several times that sasuke would fall to killing someone, but as many the times the events were foiled for sasuke's sake. that sasuke is not a grim person -- that is what the manga is telling us.

1. he had the opportunity to kill Naruto at the valley of death...he did not
2. he had opportunities to kill his friends...he did not
3. during his training with karin in rounding up the prisoners...he did not kill a soul.
4. he kills anyone who is worthy to kill...danzo, deidara (no, deidara killed himself in defeat), itachi (no, itachi gave his life to sasuke), orochimaru (no, oro was already an immortal - itachi did him in)

kishi is linking sasuke's good nature with Naruto's.
sasuke is not evil
sasuke is not demonic
sasuke and Naruto are "friends"...for life...and that is their destiny...that is the truth.

At the current moment sasuke isn't good thats bottom line lol as for him not killing naruto he states " I didn't kill you on a whim, I dont want to follow that man's footsteps", but when naruto comes to oro hide out during shippuuden to rescue him he said he wouldn't hesitate to kill him. Not regarding karin's safety during the battle with danzo show's that hes gotten even more evil while the series progressed. After he stabbed Karin Madara told him " if you dont have any use for her kill her now" during that time we saw sasuke about to kill her until sakura appeared. Was sasuke always cold hearted? yes, but he wasn't always a killer unless that person stood in his way goal which was killing Itachi.

 

[Nin]

all right

 

[jabznaruto]

Nisan jabznaruto! i believed you will become a powerful ninja someday... but b4 it will happen, i will send anbu black ops to assassinate you... lol

LOL ...thanks for the prediction zapp-kun!
but you've got to see me in the will of fire statue first. sending hordes of anbu assassins won't kill me ... lol i'm already immortal!

i like your avatar btw...it looks like a mix samurai-ninja figure...i remember batusai -- my first idol katana user

The thing is Sasuke was never evil until the fight with Danzou he tried to kill Danzou knowing it will also kill Karin, then he tried to kill Sakura two times and Kakashi was able to save her once and then it took Naruto to save her. What you are saying is right but that's a thing of the past now Sasuke is totally different sorta like a maniac and it was Naruto who was able to calm him down. So yes Sasuke wasn't really evil when he joined Oro but now things have changed he is one of the bad guys at least for me for trying to kill his comrade Karin and also Sakura whom Sasuke knew pretty well that she would never have the guts to kill him. But if Kishi wants to change the view later on then it may happen as you say but as far as I see it that won't happen.

yes sennin...we really differ in our views for now...

1. sasuke never meant to kill karin...i hope my idea of collateral damage is clear enough to explain my case. genjitxu even posted re sasuke activating his sharingan before thrusting to kill danzou -- this amplifies my view.
sasuke did intend to leave karin..and jugo..and suigetsu..to let them go...to let them know he would not want them to take part of whatever path - dark or what have we - he would take in the future...isn't this "noble" enough for sasuke?
2. i mean to repeat again that sasuke tried to kill is friends...sakura and even kakashi...the evil intentions were there...but i intend to point out that "SASUKE NEVER SUCCEEDED" -- for whatever reasons...it was never meant for us to witness sasuke killing good souls.
3. sasuke's changed now. yes, he is in the dark. but don't give up on him changing for the good. here, i say it "will" happen and not "may" happen.

Interesting opinion, but I think it can mostly boil down to this: Sasuke is still a somewhat normal person with feelings in most situations who likes to show no fear, but when it comes to his revenge (one example being Karin in cross-fire), he is a heartless and evil presence who does not care about anything else.

I think that at that moment, he was literally focused on the best way of killing Danzou and did not care if Karin died with him. I don't think he thought anything about the Leaf healing/ helping her. It was just an act of pure emotion on his part.

And in regard to the Zetsu traveling through the ground via an electric impulse theory, I think that was primarily influenced by an Episode of Avatar (The Swamp). But it may in fact explain his speed of travel.

buddy, we got to discuss more about the zetsus and their moving patterns in the future...

but re sasuke...

1. sasuke is normal...bound to the hate he is into...he is not heartless. the evil presence in him brought about the experiences he went through, and the influence madara has towards him "cloud" his inner self which originally was "good".
2. i may say the storylines are confusing re leaf nins helping karin. but the setting during sasuke's fight with danzou was konoha. and sasuke knew any moment that konoha nins would come in the picture -- in this case, sakura and kakashi came.
3. sasuke's character is deep enough to be viewed in a different perspective than just solely as what the frames shown to us offer. his brother itachi initiated this "great sasuke character" to us.

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Good point about him activating the sharingan before killing Danzou. I looked back and before he did it he said, "Don't move Karin", which means that he knew for a fact that piercing her would no kill her; considering she is much shorter than Danzou and he went straight for Danzou's heart. I think your right about that idea. But even though he knew that would not kill her, it was clear that his demeanor was still of heartless revenge, having done what he did.

In regard to his old team 7, I think Sasuke is quite at odds with them. He has no feelings for any of them anymore. He went for Sakura twice, once with chidori and once with a kunai, both times he meant to kill her. Considering she had the full intent to kill him, Sasuke felt it was necessary to survive:

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as for his hate for Kakashi, he said that he would love to kill Kakashi and expresses extreme discuss for Kakashi using the Sharingan, something we never saw before Sasuke finding out Itachi's truth:

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and as for the village, he strongly feels that the life of his brother and his clan, far outweigh the current happiness of the village:

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As for Naruto, Sasuke holds to the fact that he does not care for Naruto because he does not know the pain of loosing everything he had and claimed before that he only spared Naruto at the Valley of the End to defy Itachi's wishes (since at that time he still hated Itachi). But we can see that Naruto is Sasuke's one weak point, if any. However, he still holds to having no feelings toward him:

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Basically, I really think Sasuke has no interest to keep team 7 and the leaf out of harms way. However, I suppose him putting on this whole ruse to keep them away from Madara is possible, we did see him bluff Sakura early in this fight....

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i see you've already integrated Naruto and the rest of team seven in this "sasuke-plight".
the need to survive,,,the need to protect his friends from madara, the need to exact his revenge to the konoha elders...are just some signs that sasuke is using his "heart-mind" genius for us to realize he is not at all evil.

i do believe in the end that the "original team 7" has something to do with Naruto sequels and continuation cycle...this is a great manga

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Floydical - Sennin Jin I'm with you to a point there with Sasuke. I can't really explain how far he intended to go with Sakura and if he was really going to kill her or not. Consider this though.
From the moment he woke up after fighting Itachi, Sasuke has more or less been a prisoner of Uchiha Madara. Don't forget that Sasuke tried to take Madara out with a chidori when he threatened him for not capturing the hachibi. I think the steps Sasuke has taken since then have been to systematically distance himself from his friends in team Hebi for the purpose of protecting them. No one has explained why Sasuke activated his sharingan before cutting through Karin and Danzo. I think it was to avoid a vital spot because with all of them, Suigetsu, Hugo, and Karin... the net effect of what he's done so far is to distance his friends from Uchiha Madara. They are all relatively safe at this point.
On the other hand, I do believe that Sasuke believes most of what comes out of his mouth. If it were any other way, say if he had tried to send some message to Naruto there when they exchanged punches, then the Zetsu spores on Sasuke would have noticed his deceit.
Basically I'm just hoping that the end fight goes down like the original with Zabuza... that Sasuke and Naruto are on the same page, and the music changes with the drums, and Naruto is really a shadow shuriken and YEAH Madara goes down somehow

yo dude...

i respect your views.
i just want to share my ideals re Naruto-sasuke relationship in this manga.

your comment re the "sharingan activation" is one keen observation.

your idea re team hebi and the events after "itachi's death" is accurate.
your idea re sasuke's intention to kill sakura is "vengeful" -- because sakura "intended" to kill sasuke as well (this is clear).

yes, i do believe that Naruto and sasuke will be "in the same page"...again

At the current moment sasuke isn't good thats bottom line lol as for him not killing naruto he states " I didn't kill you on a whim, I dont want to follow that man's footsteps", but when naruto comes to oro hide out during shippuuden to rescue him he said he wouldn't hesitate to kill him. Not regarding karin's safety during the battle with danzo show's that hes gotten even more evil while the series progressed. After he stabbed Karin Madara told him " if you dont have any use for her kill her now" during that time we saw sasuke about to kill her until sakura appeared. Was sasuke always cold hearted? yes, but he wasn't always a killer unless that person stood in his way goal which was killing Itachi.

yo yuki!

i hope i answered you with the above posts...
to add a bit....sasuke now in your views "wouldn't be the sasuke you like" -- tell me if i'm wrong. i think you also want to see a good sasuke.
yes you are correct, sasuke is bad now -- there is no question about that. this is so because he has plans, he has priorities and most of all he has his own destiny -- that is to be with "the old konoha with the mighty uchiha clan".

...i imagine him working hand in hand with Naruto to achieved whatever he has in mind now...

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

Zabuza's return doesn't really matter, Kakashi has gotten a whole lot stronger now. I think we won't see much of Haku and Zabuza, anyways want to see Madara's plans, what he said to black Zetsu regarding Kabuto that is interesting.

 

[jabznaruto]

Zabuza's return doesn't really matter, Kakashi has gotten a whole lot stronger now. I think we won't see much of Haku and Zabuza, anyways want to see Madara's plans, what he said to black Zetsu regarding Kabuto that is interesting.

zabuza won't win--that is predictable.
haku and zabuza with the magnified "edo tensei" powers will pose a big threat to the division. but the summons will be stopped.
kakashi simply sends them to another dimension...that's it (whoaa) we have another way to defeat edo tensei---that is "through MS" kakashi possesses

madara simply tells the black zetsu to go on a "surveillance mode" and see what kabuto has to do next...

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

zabuza won't win--that is predictable.
haku and zabuza with the magnified "edo tensei" powers will pose a big threat to the division. but the summons will be stopped.
kakashi simply sends them to another dimension...that's it (whoaa) we have another way to defeat edo tensei---that is "through MS" kakashi possesses

madara simply tells the black zetsu to go on a "surveillance mode" and see what kabuto has to do next...

Good thinking but I don't think Kakashi will use MS that recklessly because he isn't an Uchiha he tires very quickly while using MS. And yes Madara did put Zetsu to spy on Kabuto but the thing is Kabuto should anticipate it and Madara also should know that Kabuto is expecting that. So its really interesting its like a game of chess, IMO the one who gains the initial advantage is going to win I mean between Madara and Kabuto.

 

[Floydical]

Good thinking but I don't think Kakashi will use MS that recklessly because he isn't an Uchiha he tires very quickly while using MS. And yes Madara did put Zetsu to spy on Kabuto but the thing is Kabuto should anticipate it and Madara also should know that Kabuto is expecting that. So its really interesting its like a game of chess, IMO the one who gains the initial advantage is going to win I mean between Madara and Kabuto.

Your starting to make it sound like Near vs. Light . Its possible that one of the two will eventually completely figure out the other without them knowing and maybe there is some room for luck in the equation (BTW, those who don't know what I was referring to, go watch Death Note!).

buddy, we got to discuss more about the zetsus and their moving patterns in the future...

but re sasuke...

1. sasuke is normal...bound to the hate he is into...he is not heartless. the evil presence in him brought about the experiences he went through, and the influence madara has towards him "cloud" his inner self which originally was "good".
2. i may say the storylines are confusing re leaf nins helping karin. but the setting during sasuke's fight with danzou was konoha. and sasuke knew any moment that konoha nins would come in the picture -- in this case, sakura and kakashi came.
3. sasuke's character is deep enough to be viewed in a different perspective than just solely as what the frames shown to us offer. his brother itachi initiated this "great sasuke character" to us.

Good to hear from ya again, I'm starting to get more used to your unwavering opinion . Your definitely right on about that, without the external influences of Itachi and Madara, Sasuke would be a completely different person for sure.

 

[Bearzz]

Obviously Tobi is not Madara. The way Kabato talks about Madara and the way Tobi replies implies that he is in no way Madara.
But I would love it if Tobi was Obito. Tobi is Obito respelled but with one less 'o' >. Maybe Kishi's pulling a Harry Potter "Tom Riddle = Voldemort" thing .

But there is no way Obito is Tobi. When Tobi first confronted Naruto and Kakashi, he showed no signs of significant emotions towards Kakashi. Also, Minato was Obito's sensi alongside Kakashi, right? Whenever Tobi attacked Kohona, he was a fully developed man. Kakashi at the time was still an adolescent. There's no way Obito could become a "man" in that time frame.

Plus, has anyone noticed that Kabato hasn't revived Orochimaru? I mean, he's dead right? Or does that Sussano's Sword that Itachi put him in act as the Dead demon seal/Shinnigami technique and prevent him from being summoned? I'm absolutely positive that Orochimaru's role isn't done yet. He's going to make an appearance in one form or another.

Can't wait to see more of Naruto's training though. I'm excited.

 

[jabznaruto]

Good thinking but I don't think Kakashi will use MS that recklessly because he isn't an Uchiha he tires very quickly while using MS. And yes Madara did put Zetsu to spy on Kabuto but the thing is Kabuto should anticipate it and Madara also should know that Kabuto is expecting that. So its really interesting its like a game of chess, IMO the one who gains the initial advantage is going to win I mean between Madara and Kabuto.

yeah, kakashi will use MS at the sight of kabuto with the current summons engaging the divisions...thereby eliminating edo tensei, kabuto and the summons led by zabuza and haku. this is too good to be true though...yet remotely still possible - we all know kakashi is more than capable.
not discounting kakashi's non-uchiha lineage, the division is talent laden. kakashi can simply delegate the generalship should the need arise and should he run out of chakra by utilizing MS.

so, who is spying who? good point here sennin.
i do think madara has the advatage in spying. with zetsu around, madara has the eyes everywhere. with zetsu, this intel ability is even greater than Naruto's clones.
madara got his focus on kabuto now, especially that kabuto is "gaining" on him. but madara is not at all perturbed.
should you agree with me that the initial advantage is already with madara, i guess we can assume madara will win - in this devil come what may fight lol

Good to hear from ya again, I'm starting to get more used to your unwavering opinion . Your definitely right on about that, without the external influences of Itachi and Madara, Sasuke would be a completely different person for sure.

oh you should..hehe. thanks for sharing your opinions as well...
this manga is enriched by our ideas and opinions more than just by reading it.

now, going back to zetsu's ability to travel by electric impulse...
initially, we presumed the zetsus are using the earth as highways. meaning, the earth is their conduction point.
chakra or energy travels in conductors. leading us to these queries...

1. their weakness is to be detached from the earth.
2. the zetsus would be able to travel by water. water is one good energy conductor.
3. if the zetsus are pure chakra with earth element upgrade, the chakra has to have the main source. and it has to have a master control.

number 3 is very typical madara with his heretical statue. the source is the demon statue, and the main control over the zetsus is no other than madara.

taking out madara means getting rid of the zetsus -- this is very ambitious though. perhaps kabuto knows this now. that is why kabuto is taking his time.

having this in mind...kabuto is intelligent enough to thwart madara's original plan -- The Moon Eye Plan.

well, it is very similar to taking kabuto down, the edo tensei is finished. only that his summons could wreak havoc without him.

...anybody is welcome to comment

and especially you floydical...hope you grace us your thoughts again...

 

[Rapture]

@ Jab, Edo Tensei is not released if the user is killed, Kabuto already stated that to Madara. In order for the technique to be released Kabuto must form three seals and say "release" in order for edo tensei to be released by the user, so actually if Kakashi did MS away Kabuto the Alliance would be screwed. The plan was to capture Kabuto and put him under a genjutsu and force him to release the technique.

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

yeah, kakashi will use MS at the sight of kabuto with the current summons engaging the divisions...thereby eliminating edo tensei, kabuto and the summons led by zabuza and haku. this is too good to be true though...yet remotely still possible - we all know kakashi is more than capable.
not discounting kakashi's non-uchiha lineage, the division is talent laden. kakashi can simply delegate the generalship should the need arise and should he run out of chakra by utilizing MS.

so, who is spying who? good point here sennin.
i do think madara has the advatage in spying. with zetsu around, madara has the eyes everywhere. with zetsu, this intel ability is even greater than Naruto's clones.
madara got his focus on kabuto now, especially that kabuto is "gaining" on him. but madara is not at all perturbed.
should you agree with me that the initial advantage is already with madara, i guess we can assume madara will win - in this devil come what may fight lol

Yup I also agree with you I also think Madara has got the upper hand and also Madara has been in the game for too long and Kabuto he just pop outta nowhere. I don't think that Kishi is going to throw out a character he made so much history for to be defeated by a guy who just came from outta nowhere. Kabuto is like Danzou popping outta nowhere and I don't think that he will be able to outsmart Madara.

 

[Floydical]

oh you should..hehe. thanks for sharing your opinions as well...
this manga is enriched by our ideas and opinions more than just by reading it.

now, going back to zetsu's ability to travel by electric impulse...
initially, we presumed the zetsus are using the earth as highways. meaning, the earth is their conduction point.
chakra or energy travels in conductors. leading us to these queries...

1. their weakness is to be detached from the earth.
2. the zetsus would be able to travel by water. water is one good energy conductor.
3. if the zetsus are pure chakra with earth element upgrade, the chakra has to have the main source. and it has to have a master control.

number 3 is very typical madara with his heretical statue. the source is the demon statue, and the main control over the zetsus is no other than madara.

taking out madara means getting rid of the zetsus -- this is very ambitious though. perhaps kabuto knows this now. that is why kabuto is taking his time.

having this in mind...kabuto is intelligent enough to thwart madara's original plan -- The Moon Eye Plan.

well, it is very similar to taking kabuto down, the edo tensei is finished. only that his summons could wreak havoc without him.

...anybody is welcome to comment

and especially you floydical...hope you grace us your thoughts again...

Hmm I didn't really think that the Zetsu's 'electric impulse travel' would imply to the water. It does seem they are clearly earth element, which I would assume they can only travel that way through earth. Though, I am not to sure that taking out Madara would get rid of the Zetsu's. We know the zetsu's power is from the 1st Hokage statue, which implies they can live on their own, but acting on their own in still in question.

In regard to Kabuto, I think Rapture had the right idea. I doubt that sending Kabuto to another dimension via Kakashi's MS will stop the summons. At the very least, it will prevent further summons coming forth but not stop the current ones. Maybe the best thing would be to send Kabuto's legs (or half of his snake body or whatever ) to another dimension to immobilize him but still allowing him to form the necessary seals and say 'release' lol.

 

[SasuketheGreat]

Soo I see the new topic is what are Sasuke's intentions:
Like Itachi told Naruto, Sasuke's mind is like an empty barrel ready to be filled with anything. Tobi told Sasuke that it was the village elders and Danzo that ordered Itachi to eliminate the Uchiha clan, this enraged Sasuke and since that he was on a mission to destroy the leaf village, Danzo was the first step and now he plans on crushing the leaf...
Now I don't think Madara/Tobi told Sasuke about his plans to start a war, or even his major goal to find the six paths and take over the world, hell I don't even think he knew that Nagato attacked and destroyed the village.So I believe if or when Sasuke finds out Madara/Tobi's true plans he is going to fight against him to stop him from world domination.

Here's my prediction on how it all goes down:
Madara: Sasuke, defeat Naruto! (but don't kill him he is an important part in my goal now that I have eight tailed beasts my goal is more closer than ever... Muahh hahahaa)
Sasuke: Glares at Madara with his EMS... What goal is that?
Madara: The only thing in your way of getting vengeance on the leaf is that brat!
Sasuke: Why don't you do it yourself, my main concern are the elders of the leaf! That's not my fight anymore
Madara: Your just as stubborn as that selfless Itachi was on that night, when he was forced to kill your family in there sleep!
Sasuke: So you knew about the assassination orders that were given to Itachi from the elders?
Madara: Foolish child it was I! Madara Uchiha who Convinced that fool Danzo to get the elders to wipe out that sinking clan, if they had chose war instead of peace... We the uchiha would be rulers of this pathetic nation
Sasuke: you hid behind Itachi's life all this time, having me believe it was the leaf who order the hit, Itachi wanted me to stay away from you because he knew the truth would suface....

Sasuke launches Amaterasu at Madara but warps the flames away, Madara uses a genjutsu on Sasuke... Sasuke counters with his tsukuyomi but is easily overcome by Madara, Realizing how strong Madara is, Sasuke retreats......

Madara: I can't let him get back to the leaf and expose my plans, if he does I'll have more than Kabuto to worry about! I came too far to have my plans come to an abrupt stop by some pesky brats!

Lol who agrees?