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that you said in your 2nd post, the only interesting comment you made so far IN THIS AVENUE.

sadly, narutochaos.com has not survived to testify to all our uber cool awesome-ness.

and your signature [trolling is a art] -- uhm, is not.

so we're writing a new page here. :)

[hopefully with less of the hating, spamming, and the grammatical errors -- we should be getting better! always better.]. ;)
 

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Trolling is A art ok. Dang, since when did you turn into a boss..... Oh right, I forgot you are the "owner". Narutochaos was merely a site, it is the users who make the site. Therefore, the users can agree with me. And I said many things in my second post, care to elaborate further? And if you can read, which I'm sure you can, my first post was a question. So yeah, I'm glad you have the mental capacity to see that my first post was a question, second post was a response to sato's and my thoughts on the manga thus far, and my third correcting you since you obviously can't tell the difference between 10,000 and "ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND". So you know, I guess you can say that was the only "interesting comment" of mine. AND OMG!!!! WE ARE STARTING A NEW PAGE, I'M SO EXCITED!!!!!
 
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Also. it's quite obvious kabuto is playing madara..... Do you honestly think he is stupid enough to leave bodies behind and not know that he is being followed by anko and co. Kabuto just gave the location of madaras hideout to the allied forces. Remember kabuto is on par with kakashi, a genius none the less. He knows exactly how to play the game. Kabuto wants revenge for the death of oro. Do you not remember him letting sakura and them free saying, "if we let you live you can take care of akatsuki for us". Why would he give naruto the book of all the akatsuki members? He wants sasuke and he made that clear, do you really think madara is going to give up sasuke? They are both playing eachother. Madara is not a dumb retard and knows exactly what is going on, he knows that kabuto knows his weakness and is waiting for the opportune time to strike.
 

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And why is shodai so damn important to madara?, I feel as if there is a missing link between the two. He already has some of shodais powers and such, can it be that madara plans to use the regenerated shodais body as his own if he were to revive the juubi? or am i missing something here?

As far as kabuto going after the hosts, I am going to say that he will probably capture Bee but not naruto.
this is the most interesting part that i would have wanted you to elaborate on.

your "most awesome uber coolness" status therefore lies on the hands of the users now. i have no problem with that. 50% + 1 vote is on. LOL

so kabuto wants sasuke to be his host also (just like oro wanted), or he just wants to whip sasuke's ass red because of what he did defending himself against oro?

surely, madara does not believe that either one was really kabuto's intention.
it can't be determined this early, so madara is willing to play along. kabuto is such a wild variable that he needed to account for his existence in his grand scheme of things. surely, he can't ignore him anymore.

what is surprising is madara showed him his armory and where he gets the power of his army. and he is even willing to give kabuto one zetsu clone soldier. (speaking of which, this sounds more like star wars again!)

we don't know if madara already knows kabuto will fail so he won't get his zetsu toy.

i just can't figure out what is the wisdom of showing kabuto his stuff.

however, madara has not shown his collection of sharingans -- this is his trump card, his fail safe 'reboot' mechanism. just in case, kabuto succeeds also in killing him, like konan and itachi did previously.

anyway, pls proceed about your interesting theory about the missing link between madara and hashirama.

given: madara could already use izanagi, so he already has hashirama's dna in his body.

interesting questions: :hint:
(1) what could that missing link be between hashirama and madara?
(2) could the missing link be the 'thing' on kabuto's 6th coffin?
(3) if madara, hashirama, and nagato were the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd out of the six paths (hmmm, this is beginning to sound like voldemort's horcruces in harry potter!), then who makes up the fourth, fifth, and sixth? surely, we could put naruto and sasuke there, but who/what is the sixth?

theories? yes we're writing a new page!!! YEY!:cool:
 

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Well we know madara wants to revive the juubi. In addition, we know that the sage of the 6 paths was the only person who can host such a creature. Hints and hints have been dropped that madara is a former "shell" (keyword: shell) of himself. So, lets say if he were to revive the juubi, do you honestly think his current state could handle such a power? Why would he he need nagato to save his revival technique for himself? Remember, madara said that the sage had 2 sons. One who inherited the eyes and power (uchiha) and the other who inherited the mind and body (senjuu). Why does madara need many sharingans and especially sasuke? What I am saying or believe, is that madara is gathering the ingredients to reincarnate himself as the sage of 6 paths. The perfect "body". We know that the first was able to control the tailed beasts at his whim and if madara already has some of shodais power, why does he need a lifeless body of the first hokage? It's because he inherited the mind and spirit of the original sage. Madara has the rinnegan, i think he needs a strong sharingan (probably why he is keeping sasuke), he has most of the tailed beasts, and he has shodais body who was a sage. Add all these together and what do you get? A perfect powerful body/being/a reincarnation of the original sage. Perhaps yamato is the sixth link since he can use his wood element to control somewhat the tailed beasts. I might be missing something here so fill in any info that I may have missed.
 

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OneKingOwns and Melo, you guys are making some interesting talks and points as usual. I think that the statue that Madara uses is the body that is going to be used as the 7th path. Its seems that its a possible container to hold all the tailed beast. I was wondering if Madara was going to perform a jutsu or at least have Nagato revive this statue and then transfer Madara to it. Currently I can't see how Madara can housed all this power as OneKing states. And like Melo, I am wondering who the 4th, 5th, and 6th paths are going to be. If Madara already have the Shodai's DNA, what is the reason for wanting Naruto other than for the Demon Fox. As for Sasuke, we can say that he want this EMS to put in one of his eye sockets. Remember that he intends to cast a big genjutsu over the whole ninja world.

I will take a back seat and listen to what you guys have to say and periodically insert my “2-cents” so to speak. Its getting tougher for me as well to determine where Kishi is going with this Naruto story.

As for Kabuto, I think that he wants to use the Leaf Ninja, Anko and Company to run interference for him while he deal with Sasuke. Madara will be busy with them.
 
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Kabuto said to the Tsuchikage that they can take there time because they can. So Kabuto being confident against the Tsuchikage, Kabuto may have a plan being so overconfident knowing he would clash wish a kage and the two jinchuuruki.
 

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Nagato: what makes him the 3rd path, with or without the Rin'negan

THE "SIX PATHS" of the Rikkoudo Sennin and of Pain
i just had this thought --
what if the six paths that make the rikkuodo sennin are representations of the universe, or the powers that govern it? yes, exactly just as nagato/pain has revealed to us.
so what realms does hashirama, madara, and nagato fill in?
and which realms would naruto, sasuke, and the 'unknown' path fill in also?


answers i leave it up to you guys before i put in more of my ideas, but
here's a very much related and very interesting theory:

NAGATO: WHAT MAKES HIM THE THIRD PATH?

the thesis questions:
(1) could nagato's specialty that makes him the 3rd path be his bodily capacity to link to the 'spirit statue' and not (merely) his having the rin'negan -- that is, specially if his eyes were not his to begin with, since he is an uzumaki, a senju?
(2) how did nagato 'get' the rin'negan?



manga chapter prooftext/pic:
(sorry: can someone please link us to those panels where nagato had this 'spirit thing' attached to his body, during his fight against danzo and hanzo's forces? the main proof text/panel for this theory should lie there. if you can find the panel as a .jpg file, please post them so i could copy/paste it here. with special credits, of course. oneking?)

In this essay, I will try to discuss the idea that nagato must have gotten his rin'negan from madara and how. and then proceed to deduce what therefore makes him the 3rd path, given that 'absence of the rin'negan' and his being a senju/uzumaki?


The Source of Nagato's Rin'negan
we don't know what really happened at that time the child nagato defended yahiko. but given that madara made the claim that the rin'negan was his to begin with, and the fact that nagato was an uzumaki/senju and not an uchiha, i find the event where we first see the rin'negan in nagato very mysterious.

nagato himself testified that it was the pain (of the possibility and the actuality) of losing yahiko that made him went 'to the dark'. nagato mentioned two 'pains' in his life that brought about his transformation. 1st was his losing his family, and 2nd was yahiko's death. what is interesting here is the common description that connects these events.

nagato said he blacked out.

remember the scene when jiraiya saw for the first time nagato's eyes. nagato said when he 'woke up' it appeared to him that he had already killed a grown up shinobi, at the same time we see him that he had the rin'negan. we did not get what yahiko had to say about what happened. was he also knocked unconscious by the attack of the shinobi? so who is a living witness to the event? we are in the dark here.

indeed, this 'blacking out event' was curious. and recently, konan just called someone 'the darkness'.

you're right. exactly.

madara.

what if, madara has done an izanagi, and at the duration of nagato's 'blacking out' ("unconsciousness") madara 'implanted' on him the rin'negan?

obviously, nagato's hate was madara's entry point, it awakened the dark and powerful beast within nagato. and that is how madara was able to control nagato. yes, probably the same way he was able to control the 3rd mizukage and which is something i think we also have seen when sasuke transformed into the 'dark fearful chakra beast' that he was during his attack at the kage's meeting. prior to this sasuke was reluctant to shed innocent blood, but at that moment, he massacred a horde of samurais. we know madara 'pushed' him into the darkness, the 'darkness' that is his realm.

having said this, i think it is interesting to discuss this madara=darkness motif.

Madara and the 'Darkness'
(1) when madara 'died' from itachi's amaterasu that was planted as a fail safe in sasuke's eyes, madara went to the 'darkness' as he removed his mask, and then did an izanagi -- his own fail safe mechanism, a secret he was not willing to tell anyone that is alive; and (2) madara's hidden face was pitch black darkness. (yes, like the dark side of the moon, it seems it should never see the light of day.)

my apologies if I digressed. i just thought i had to show you that interesting background motif between madara and that black out/darkness motif, as it linked to back to nagato and the rin'negan. so far we've seen a scenario that would explain how madara could have the claim that the rin'negan was his in the first place.

so we are tempted to ask:where did madara get the rin'negan? did he come up with a way to do some alchemy to create the rin'negan? was it a combination of a main line byakugan and his EMS? or was it also an 'izanagi creation' (since at the time of the 3rd ninja world war, madara must have hashirama's already)? but the answers to these questions, i leave it up to you guys, as well. [oneking, the ball is on your feet, dude.]

Nagato's special powers sans and with the Rin'negan
if the rin'negan was not genetically nagato's, or was born in him (since he was an uzumaki/senju, he shouldn't have had the eye of the rikkoudo), then his power should reside in his body.

i think it is (1) his ability to link with the spirit statue, and how he could harness its power for his own use, and (2) his bodily ability to adapt well to the rin'negan. it tells us (and madara, who used him as a test case) that resurrecting the rikkoudo sennin is indeed possible, reuniting the six paths that made up the rikkoudo sennin's reign is attainable; and that he could tap the bijuus' powers from that statue that houses them through nagato's body/dna.

moreover, we've seen nagato 'create' some of the things that the rikkoudo sennin was said to have created. and nagato was doing this without the izanagi. that's why when madara went to get the 'rin'negan' he did not just gouge it out from nagato, he took his whole body. nagato's body is an ideal vessel for the rin'negan. that makes him the 3rd path.

so in nagato we could see what more madara could do. now madara with hashirama and nagato's bodies/DNAs, and then his own Eternal Mangekyou Sharin'negan, surely something dark --and fearfully evil-- this way comes.

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Is this the panel you are referring too? oh come on "YOU CANT POST LINKS OR IMAGES YOUR POST COUNT MUST BE 10 OR GREATER.



Sorry, spam time.

Also, nagato had the rinnegan when his family was attacked and killed by the two konoha shinobi. And as far as Gedo Mazo goes, is the technique/summon madaras own? or only tied to the rinnegan/nagato? If you look at the panel before, page #7 you see konan surpised by the summon and then she says "no dont". So question is, did she know what nagato had summoned and what he was planning to do? If so, then that means she obviously had seen Gedo Mazo before the hanzo/danzo confrontation or am I over speculating and going off on a tangent.
 
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A fairly interesting chapter overall, I’m glad Kishi opted to move ahead full steam with the current arc and get straight to the action we want to see.
I previously had the notion that all of Kabuto’s undead summons would be mindless zombies, but Deidara demonstrated this chapter that the summons still have their abilities (although likely not as powerful as the original) as well as their personalities intact.

Essentially, this means we might get to see all the dead Akatsuki members again – I’m real interested in what undead Itachi and Nagato would be like.

Looks like Tsuchikage is coming to aid Naruto and the others despite his bad back.
Sadly, we won’t be seeing a Gaara vs Deidara rematch – although it’s out of character for the current Gaara, I still think deep inside he wants some payback against Deidara for putting his friends and his villagers’ lives at risk when he attacked Suna.
Not that I don’t want to see Tsuchikage in action, being the oldest of the current kages I think he has the most battle experience and jutsu repertoire to make any opponent rethink their strategy.

We saw a small glimpse of what the Tsuchikage can do during Sasuke’s attack on the kage summit, and I think his gravity powers have a lot of us interested as there is nothing like it in the Naruverse thus far.
The ability to fly without any kind of mount or support is a powerful one, and Tsuchikage may have a monopoly on it since we haven’t seen it used by any shinobi before (Gaara’s floating sand is kind of like a mount), even other shinobi from Tsuchigakure.
I don’t think Deidara has a chance in this battle, heck it might have been the Tsuchikage who taught him most of his abilities.
The best we can hope for is a little more information being revealed about Deidara’s history with his home village.

Kabuto must have been really busy ever since Orochimaru got pwned. Not only did he manage to upgrade the Edo Tensei, but also clone a Godzilla-sized Manda clone as well.
This is one kid Kakashi probably wished he would have killed during their first encounter because he’s got as much h4x0rz potential as Madara.
I also liked the fact that Kabuto decided to give his undead summons more autonomy than Orochimaru did.
By giving them semi-free will, the zombie Akatsuki can be more effective by fighting more like their living counterpart.

However, I don’t know if Kabuto would want to grant the same privileges to undead summons of Itachi or Nagato though.

I’m not sure how Kabuto is planning on beating Naruto and Killer Bee, not to mention bypassing the Konoha nin protecting them.
So far Kabuto hasn’t really shown any upgraded fighting powers personally to make us think he has any chance against two Jinchuuriki, so he’ll definitely need to rely on tricks and pull out a heavy hitter like Pein or Itachi to have any chance. But then again, his intention may not be to fight at all.

It’s suspicious that someone as egomaniacal as him would aid Madara in any way unless it was for his own benefit.
And I don’t think Kabuto would willingly risk his life fighting against Naruto and the others unless there was someone/something he needed to acquire here.

Kabuto did mention that he wanted to experiment on Yamato, so maybe his focus is neither Naruto nor KB. Why do I get the feeling that whatever it is, Kabuto is going to win this fight?
 

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Lastly, what the F is with that transvestite armadillo? Why did it get so much attention this chapter? Gives me bad flashbacks of that transvestite toad they had in the Shippuuden anime. To top it off this time, Kishi actually opted to show the amadillo’s junk. xd
Is this a homage to the original Dragon Ball manga where they showed kid Goku’s privates for laughs? I hope you guys enjoy this week’s Armadillo-inspired poll.:p
 
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Status: CONFIRMED SPOILER
by: Ohana - 2 Ch

514: Kabuto's Plan
Enraged... At an ex-pupil!!

Tsuchikage prepares some Chiriton (Clay release) jutsu in mid-air
Deidara: Things are getting worse and worse! Chiriton all of a sudden? He's gonna even more fired up! Yeah!!

Kabuto watches Deidara as he gets on the turtle

Deidara runs away by getting on a bird
Tsuchikage: I won't let you get away!!
When he releases the Chiriton, Akatsuchi stops him from behind.
Akatsuchi: If you do that, you'll kill even the island tortoise!!
Tsuchikage: Eh! How puzzling! It was so huge I could only see the scenery!!
Deidara: There's an opening!! Yeah!!
He releases a clay bird from his hand and right before Tsuchikage's eyes: Katsu!!
The bird explodes, but the attack was blocked by Akatsuchi's golem
Tsuchikage: Were you trying to get us away from this island
Deidara: Akatsuchi's golem, huh. You're just the same as ever, clinging around Tsuchikage, you hindering bastard!! Yeah!!

Manda is going on a rampage on the island
Kurotsuchi: That damned snake!!
Kabuto is squating down and doing something
Kurotsuchi: It's got to be that guy controlling the snake! He was Orochimaru's subordinate, even though he's just a bean sprout of a bastard!!
Manda tells Kabuto something using telepathy
Kabuto: I see, Naruto's somewhere on this turtle huh. In that case... Where is the entrance?

Naruto is holding his head
Yamato: (Shit, what's happening outside!?) S... Seems like there are an aw... Awful lot of earthquakes today, huh
Aoba: Ye... Yeah!
Naruto: ... Even so, that's way too many! In the first place were earthquakes ever able to reverse the ground and the sky?
Yamato: Uh... It just looks like it because it was shaking so much...
Naruto: Really...? I'm going to go out and take a quick look!!
Yamato: No, no~~ You're in the midst of an important S-rank mission, so finish your mission!
Naruto: But... I'm just going to take a quick look...
Yamato (makes a stern face): What's most important to a ninja is to complete his mission as fast as possible!! And that mission is a single mission, that was assigned to you precisely because you are you!! It is a mission only you can do!! That is why you were tasked with it... Do you understand! Naruto!
Naruto: ....
The armadillo behind them stretches out
Aoba: (As expected, even Naruto has begun to notice the abnormalities... We tricked him that this was a S-rank mission but what he is doing is just checking whether animals have a penis. Naruto isn't an idiot... He must already have figured it out...)
Naruto: Yeah! I got it! I'll focus on my mission!!
Aoba: (Good! For the time being everything is going well! It's great he's an idiot!!)

Kurotsuchi does some seals
Kabuto notices Kurotsuchi
Kurotsuchi: (Too slow!!) Youton: Sekkaikori no Jutsu (TN: melting release: hardening quicklime); he spits quicklime out of his mouth
Kabuto evades the attack: You've appeared, huh (I wonder if Aoba is here too...)
Just then, Yamato, Motoi, Aoba arrive
Kurotsuchi: Don't just come out here so nonchalantly! I can take care of him alone!! (as he is saying this...)
Aoba: You really are Tsuchikage's granddaughter...
Kabuto: Excellent... Can I have you lead me to where Naruto is?
Yamato: A snake... That voice... You couldn't be...
Kabuto removes his hood: We meet again, Yamato
Kurotsuchi: I'll send a flow over there!!Get him!! (expanding his mouth) Suiton: Mizu Rappa

(water trumpet)
Aoba: That's great!
Kabuto evades
Aoba: It's no good! He read your moves!!
Kurotsuchi: (while saying "get him!")... I got him!
Yamato: This is...
Kabuto: I see
Kuro: (My Sekkaikori no Jutsu is instant cement! By spilling some water around, I expand my range... And when it reacts with water, it solidifies!!) With this, you can't move any more!!
Yamato: Motoi-san, Aoba, don't step on this water!
Cement encases Yamato's body (TN: I don't know if Ohana meant Kabuto...)
Kuro: I have another plan within this plan!
Aoba: Alright! Once he gets solidified, he's mine! I'll get intel out of him!
Deidara and Tsuchikage and flying towards the sky, they are so fast Akatsuchi is lagging a little
Deidara (You've gotten even faster than when you were in your prime, haven't you, gramps)
tsuchikage: You always fought from a long distance! I don't like that!!
Deidara: Shut up! (I'll get him with C4!! yeah!)

Trees come out of Yamato's hand, Aoba rides on those trees towards where Kabuto is, solidified
Aoba: Kabuto... You sure have fallen... Becoming even more and more like Orochimaru
Kabuto: Before worrying about me, you should worry about falling from there
Yamato: Aoba, focus!
Aoba is about to reach Kabuto but Kabuto sheds his skin and becomes a snake. It slithers along Yamato's tree and nears Yamato. Aoba falls into the cement
Yamato: He shedded! Is this it!?
Yamato sends out blocks of wood from his waist, and sends Motoi flying away on them
Yamato: Motoi-san, stay away!!
Kabuto bites Yamato...
Kabuto: Kurotsuchi, I knew how your jutsu worked, so I was able to make you let down your guard
Aoba: !!?
Motoi: Yamato!!
Kuro: Shit!!
Yamato runs away

Tsuchikage: You're pretty good for flying up this high arent you!!
Deidara: Don't look down on me, gramps!! Your Chiroton and my Bakuton (exploding release), which of them is Art...?
From behind Deidara, the Edo Tensei coffins appear
Deidar: !!? What the hell? I was just at the best part!! Yeah!!
The coffin shuts and disappears.
Yamato (TN: I think Ohana meant Kabuto) takes refuge in Manda's nostrol. Manda disappears.

Tsuchikage returns
Tsuchikage: Deidara got away... How about you guys?
Motoi: Yamato, the one who used Mokuton and was keeping an eye on the Kyuubi, got captured...
Aoba: Our guy got away too!! Help me out of this situation!! I'll go right after him!! Where did Kabuto go!?
Motoi: I cant sense the enemy any more... I don't know which way he went either. It's no use.
Tsuchikage: They couldn't get as far as the Kyuubi and Hachibi huh... I don't know about that Mokuton user who probably stood out because he could be used as a hostage for interrogation...
Tsuchikage gets Aoba out of the cement
Tsuchikage: The problem now is that intel could get into their hands from that Yamato!
Aoba: Yamato-san isnt someone you can get intel out of that easily!!
Tsuchikage: That's not what I'm saying. If he's up against Madara, then he has really strong eye jutsu... He won't be able to do anything if he has those eye jutsu used against him

Yamato is tied up and falls to the ground
Yamato: Kuh!
Madara: You've brought me quite a different present, hmm?
Kabuto: That is certainly true... But this guy was the one watching over the Kyuubi and is in possession of some top-secret information. Even better, with this guy, we can make those Zetsus even stronger... Rather than doing the impossible, the minute we caught this guy, I was choosing the method that would be 4 times more efficient. For you guys, that is.
Zetsu: ...

Madara's right eye is the Sharingan; left eye is the Rinnegan
Madara: In that case, hurry up. This left eye is craving war

Nagato's Rinnegan is with Madara...!!

Naruto is on break next week because Kishimoto's doing some data collection/research.
 

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DeatheKnight, that is a good question. If we are right about Madara's comment when he was over the dead body of Nagato " Your red hair have turned white as snow " inferring that Nagato was related to the Uzamaki Clan, then Madara may have implanted the eyes into Nagato so that he can develop them. This will free Madara to do other more important things. With this in mind, he could have placed a Zutsu clone to watch and record all the actions of Nagato and his group.

Ingenius if you think about it.

Now I know why he wanted the DNA of the Shodai. By using the Shoadai's DNA, you would be able to housed that Rin-negan without it being a chakra drinker leaving him with plenty to be used for other jutsus.
 

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Wow you guys were right, Kabuto was aiming for Yamato.
Hey guys! What's up? :D

As kabuto says in the last page, he did a judgemental call, as he saw that he was fighting an impossible fight, as i believe he was not expecting the Tsuchikage when he left.
But then again, this could be his aim from the beginning and that was an excuse he told madara, and all he wanted was to mess around with Yamato's cells O.O
 
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