[Game] Mafia game 11x4 aka game #44

[Rej]

I am not liking these reads. Lucidus scum? What makes you think that?
The more I see of Ekko this day phase, the more I'm leaning town on him.

his and ekko's scheme over me switching up my townread on haze because of flower came in at the same time

so there is equity I feel. he could still be towny, like I said, I could be incorrect.

 

[Ekkologix]

You don't know mine and Ekko's past tho. The only time where he has the right to push me is when he rands scum. As town he has to behave in front of me. It's basically similair to a truth tell atp.

when was the last time we were both town, genuine question

i remmeber i misyeet u in one game long ago in WG where we were both town. i dont recall us both being town after that

you play in a very entitled way which raises alarm bells for me in general which is why we don't get along. as in you just think everything you do is townie and it's above the law to ask for elaboration or something.

i dont like how u are preemptively saying im setting the stage to scum read you for the sake of it, what the heck rej. you think am a muppet or something? do u think im scared of just scum reading you now?

If I were you, I wouldn't trust anyone over anyone else, only trust your own guts. I don't really want people to trust me. Just take my stance into account. That is all.

this is basically what am doing

 

[Rej]

who all would know this though? Or is it something everyone else knows but me?

from the people alive, only me Alexis and Ekko, that's why I just made a comment on it

it also funnily baited Ekko into making a remark on it lol

 

[Ekkologix]

his and ekko's scheme over me switching up my townread on haze because of flower came in at the same time

so there is equity I feel. he could still be towny, like I said, I could be incorrect.

its not a scheme, you said you arent finding haze townie this game then later on said that u agreed with flower's reads, which includes town reading haze

you're not above being asked to elaborate more on the progression. for instance, what makes flower's read more trustworthy than your own? did you not just say you will follow your gut?

this isnt setting you up or whatever, just play the game

 

[Rej]

also it's possible but low chance that alexis is bussing a dead weight teammate

but Elmage had push since D1 tho, where he was still posting

but yeah it is possible, everything is possible atp, that's why we need results

 

[Rej]

you sound traumatized as heck, what has scum ekko done to you in the past lol

i don't agree that the remarks are unnecessary. they help me read you and give you a chance to elaborate some of your positions that are unclear to me.

"the evidences are all over the place" is a cop out. i didn't nitpick everything you said, only the things that need elaboration. we are in a dead game state with 0 scum flips. we have to scrutinize everyone. things that may be obvious to you may not be to me. i haven't brought forth a final conclusion because i am uncertain where to go. i didn't call you scum because i am not sure if you are. we have a slot that is getting tossed and it isn't active and it's making me uneasy. like the game could be very easy and elmage is scum, but what if he isn't? we have to put the screws on everyone to make sure our direction is right.

if you are town and i believe lucidus is too then elmage shud be wolf by PoE, do you agree?

yes I agree with you on that one

but now I need to weight the options of who could have equity with him in that case. and depending on the results it could be a couple of people I guess

 

[Ekkologix]

from the people alive, only me Alexis and Ekko, that's why I just made a comment on it

it also funnily baited Ekko into making a remark on it lol

i think the fact that you couldn't give me the name of who else you expected to die and attempted to shift goal posts from a topic you initiated was not great

it's like a wacky night kill analysis that you tossed out there and didn't expect anyone to comment on it. it was a direct shade and i didn't like it

fuji was a good night kill for everyone except maybe lucidus who was pushing fuji in thread, which is partly why i am TRing him. fuji had me/alexis/konno and you iirc as TRs so inclined to say his killer is likely outside of this group too. i think he TRed lucidus too

similarly for flower who sheeped a good portion of fuji's reads

i am alive likely because my konno push was wrong. if alexis is town it's worrisome he is alive because it means his elmage push may be wrong. i don't think you make a good n1/n2 kill here over the other names. is that the end of the contention?

 

[Rej]

when was the last time we were both town, genuine question

i remmeber i misyeet u in one game long ago in WG where we were both town. i dont recall us both being town after that

you play in a very entitled way which raises alarm bells for me in general which is why we don't get along. as in you just think everything you do is townie and it's above the law to ask for elaboration or something.

i dont like how u are preemptively saying im setting the stage to scum read you for the sake of it, what the heck rej. you think am a muppet or something? do u think im scared of just scum reading you now?


this is basically what am doing

I am not keeping track of it tbh xd

lemme find one of those questions I think that were kinda redundant in the mass of posts:

which non WG players you think shud have died?

for example this is question I found contributed to nothing. I as towny am not in a position to say "towny x should have died over towny z". all I can do as town is to put people into ranges, into poes. like active and experienced people, or let's say, seasoned/active people are more likely to get shot than other's. and then there are retrospective layers.

maybe, sometimes doing too much, puts you in a tougher spot to read, because now I don't know whether your questioning is genuine or follows an agenda of just looking like you are deductive. less might be more at times.

 

[Ekkologix]

but Elmage had push since D1 tho, where he was still posting

but yeah it is possible, everything is possible atp, that's why we need results

what do you mean? he was pushing someone or someone pushing him?

 

[Rej]

its not a scheme, you said you arent finding haze townie this game then later on said that u agreed with flower's reads, which includes town reading haze

you're not above being asked to elaborate more on the progression. for instance, what makes flower's read more trustworthy than your own? did you not just say you will follow your gut?

this isnt setting you up or whatever, just play the game

I don't know. Flower just felt townier that moment. It was more on a macro level, like her tone and the way she talked to the thread when noone was around. And the way she approached haze, with an introduction, kinda a play of reaching out a hand. It felt like she was more confident in reading Haze than anyone else. I'd need to iso haze more to see how she handled that. But nothing negative or scummy pinged me.

 

[Rej]

what do you mean? he was pushing someone or someone pushing him?

he was being pushed all game, so his lynch is due and within reason

what's more important are the things playing around the lynch now. how is everyone handling this push and is it the right direction.

 

[Ekkologix]

for example this is question I found contributed to nothing. I as towny am not in a position to say "towny x should have died over towny z". all I can do as town is to put people into ranges, into poes. like active and experienced people, or let's say, seasoned/active people are more likely to get shot than other's. and then there are retrospective layers.

maybe, sometimes doing too much, puts you in a tougher spot to read, because now I don't know whether your questioning is genuine or follows an agenda of just looking like you are deductive. less might be more at times.

the reason i asked that is cuz i find it extremely obvious/self explanatory fmpov why fuji and flower died, i thought the statement by you had no value besides throwing shade. if i attribute this to how different our read of the gamestate is where does that leave us rej?

 

[Rej]

it's like a wacky night kill analysis that you tossed out there and didn't expect anyone to comment on it. it was a direct shade and i didn't like it

I don't disagree with that one tho lol. It's just that I eventually expected the one or other comment on it. It was whacky, but maybe it was also just engagement bait. Which imho was poorly handled.

But atp noone can say for sure how a proper handling would look like.

I agree tho, the kills could have happened because of mutual townreadings on some layers. I tbh haven't taken a single look at that.

 

[Rej]

the reason i asked that is cuz i find it extremely obvious/self explanatory fmpov why fuji and flower died, i thought the statement by you had no value besides throwing shade. if i attribute this to how different our read of the gamestate is where does that leave us rej?

I don't disagree with that one tho lol. It's just that I eventually expected the one or other comment on it. It was whacky, but maybe it was also just engagement bait. Which imho was poorly handled.

But atp noone can say for sure how a proper handling would look like.

I agree tho, the kills could have happened because of mutual townreadings on some layers. I tbh haven't taken a single look at that.

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[Rej]

finally caught up, brb doing gacha dailies

 

[Rej]

when was the last time we were both town, genuine question

this sentence is key to solving ekko imho.

does this come from a wolf/selfpres angle or is this a genuine towny question in hope of finding each other town at some point?

ekko you are making me genuinely doubt my read on you and I hate it

 

[Ekkologix]

he was being pushed all game, so his lynch is due and within reason

what's more important are the things playing around the lynch now. how is everyone handling this push and is it the right direction.

i wud be a liar if i said im confident on him flipping scum but its hard to do anything else with him tanking it

 

[Ekkologix]

this sentence is key to solving ekko imho.

does this come from a wolf/selfpres angle or is this a genuine towny question in hope of finding each other town at some point?

ekko you are making me genuinely doubt my read on you and I hate it

are you also reaching the point where you're like "at this point id rather lose to X than Y"

the Y in this case would be elmage, X can be whoever else you sus

 

[Ekkologix]

he was being pushed all game, so his lynch is due and within reason

what's more important are the things playing around the lynch now. how is everyone handling this push and is it the right direction.

was he? i mean i can just verify and all but i have no recollection of what was going on with his slot day 1. i only remember he pushed gutsy (flower's slot) a bit which wasn't great

 

[Ekkologix]

the wagons being tied at 2-2 with about 4 hours left of what could be lylo doesn't inspire me with any confidence of the outcome tbh

whoever is slow rolling it, i hate you