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Remove all customs so that everyone starts from an even playing field. There are too many 'old' customs that dont fit the current scaling and interactions. its part of the reason there was the whole 'Mandatory Edits' thread, because old abilities and techniques were just too outdated and got around the rules.

I am going to focus and address this particular part.

This would be a Mistake. For all those who were around during the old days know about the races to submit customs before others could. And once it was taken, people would try and find work arounds or blatant duplication. This might not happen with the current members but you cannot say this would not be an issue for any newer blood that joins the RP. We lived it already. Lets learn from that mistake.

Techniques can be updated to fit the newer system. With a set standard and an active rp team this should not be an issue.

If you don't want a skill anymore and don't want to update something to be used, then you can submit it to be used as a Canon technique, this would give Mods full control to edit the technique themselves in a way that suits the RP standard.

Removing all customs is not the answer. You simply refresh the issue which we will then have to face again down the line.
 

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I am going to focus and address this particular part.

This would be a Mistake. For all those who were around during the old days know about the races to submit customs before others could. And once it was taken, people would try and find work arounds or blatant duplication. This might not happen with the current members but you cannot say this would not be an issue for any newer blood that joins the RP. We lived it already. Lets learn from that mistake.

Techniques can be updated to fit the newer system. With a set standard and an active rp team this should not be an issue.

If you don't want a skill anymore and don't want to update something to be used, then you can submit it to be used as a Canon technique, this would give Mods full control to edit the technique themselves in a way that suits the RP standard.

Removing all customs is not the answer. You simply refresh the issue which we will then have to face again down the line.

"For all those who were around during the old days know about the races to submit customs before others could. And once it was taken, people would try and find work arounds or blatant duplication."
I feel like you sort of made my point for me, saying that no one should have copywrites on customs.

Techniques dont need to be 'updated' to fit a new system. just remove all customs, if there is one you really liked, submit it again. trying to say 'just update it' acts as if its not going to take up the same amount of time as submitting new ones. On top of that, people will most definitely complain if their update doesnt get approved when it was one of their favourites to use and wouldn't fit a system.

Hence, remove all customs, start again.

"If you don't want a skill anymore and don't want to update something to be used, then you can submit it to be used as a Canon technique, this would give Mods full control to edit the technique themselves in a way that suits the RP standard."
Given that this was already tried, and it didnt work, I dont think this would work in a new system.
 

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Let’s keep reactions respectful, no barf reactions towards each other. What we need right now is constructive discussion about what should change, and openness to each other’s ideas, even when we disagree.

To make sure RP thrives in the long term, the people leading RP will focus entirely on guiding and supporting the section, rather than participating in RP themselves. This way we keep leadership neutral, community-driven, and free from any perception of personal gain. It’s about creating a fair and welcoming space for everyone’s stories to shine.
 

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"For all those who were around during the old days know about the races to submit customs before others could. And once it was taken, people would try and find work arounds or blatant duplication."
I feel like you sort of made my point for me, saying that no one should have copywrites on customs.

Techniques dont need to be 'updated' to fit a new system. just remove all customs, if there is one you really liked, submit it again. trying to say 'just update it' acts as if its not going to take up the same amount of time as submitting new ones. On top of that, people will most definitely complain if their update doesnt get approved when it was one of their favourites to use and wouldn't fit a system.

Hence, remove all customs, start again.

"If you don't want a skill anymore and don't want to update something to be used, then you can submit it to be used as a Canon technique, this would give Mods full control to edit the technique themselves in a way that suits the RP standard."
Given that this was already tried, and it didnt work, I dont think this would work in a new system.

You missed the main part. "With an active mod team" the reason it failed was due to inactivity on the mods part.

Removing customs would just be the same issue.. the mods would still have to check all the CJ people post after deleting them all.

Focusing on the bold. I alteady made the point that I believe all Customs should be place into a pool that everyone can use. This would avoid the need to resubmit something that used to exist. This would remove the need for people to copy. And it would allow the greatest creative flexibility. People can select CJ from this pool to use up to a total number on their bio. This would also remove the need for mods to check customs UNLESS someone has a completely brand new idea that has not been done. This would seriously cut mods soo much slack and allow them the time to update all the CJ that exists to fit current standards.

I suggested this on the other chat thread, near the start. But I don't think this would fly with most of the RP simply because people want to keep those things to themselves, which is understandable if they worked hard on something.
 

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Let’s keep reactions respectful, no barf reactions towards each other. What we need right now is constructive discussion about what should change, and openness to each other’s ideas, even when we disagree.

To make sure RP thrives in the long term, the people leading RP will focus entirely on guiding and supporting the section, rather than participating in RP themselves. This way we keep leadership neutral, community-driven, and free from any perception of personal gain. It’s about creating a fair and welcoming space for everyone’s stories to shine.

I understand keeping leadership neutral and ensure general neutrality across all things. However I don’t think I agree with that kind of decision as leaders who don’t really keep in touch with the game or participate are not really going to be engaged with the game. Previous leaders of the rp both here and other places who did not participate sort of didn’t do anything for the game or let it fall into disarray over time. I’d say a person who engages and plays is more likely to make good decisions for the game
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Let’s keep reactions respectful, no barf reactions towards each other. What we need right now is constructive discussion about what should change, and openness to each other’s ideas, even when we disagree.

To make sure RP thrives in the long term, the people leading RP will focus entirely on guiding and supporting the section, rather than participating in RP themselves. This way we keep leadership neutral, community-driven, and free from any perception of personal gain. It’s about creating a fair and welcoming space for everyone’s stories to shine.

I understand keeping leadership neutral and ensure general neutrality across all things. However I don’t think I agree with that kind of decision as leaders who don’t really keep in touch with the game or participate are not really going to be engaged with the game. Previous leaders of the rp both here and other places who did not participate sort of didn’t do anything for the game or let it fall into disarray over time. I’d say a person who engages and plays is more likely to make good decisions for the game
 

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Let’s keep reactions respectful, no barf reactions towards each other. What we need right now is constructive discussion about what should change, and openness to each other’s ideas, even when we disagree.

To make sure RP thrives in the long term, the people leading RP will focus entirely on guiding and supporting the section, rather than participating in RP themselves. This way we keep leadership neutral, community-driven, and free from any perception of personal gain. It’s about creating a fair and welcoming space for everyone’s stories to shine.

I can understand why you would do that. But to be completely honest and give my thoughts on that, I think that would be a mistake. Caliburn had no interest in the RP and was the RP lead. During this time despite the RPs popularity it was perhaps guided in the worst way. LoK, someone invested in the RP made the RP what it is and made it the best version we have had. Unfortunately he was let down by his team and the activity of the site.

It takes a RPer to trult understand how to progress the RP. To put someone in the position which holds no stake in it would be a problem.

To avoid bias the mods should simply be transparent. Full transparency and a team that keeps each other in check.
 

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I can understand why you would do that. But to be completely honest and give my thoughts on that, I think that would be a mistake. Caliburn had no interest in the RP and was the RP lead. During this time despite the RPs popularity it was perhaps guided in the worst way. LoK, someone invested in the RP made the RP what it is and made it the best version we have had. Unfortunately he was let down by his team and the activity of the site.

It takes a RPer to trult understand how to progress the RP. To put someone in the position which holds no stake in it would be a problem.

To avoid bias the mods should simply be transparent. Full transparency and a team that keeps each other in check.
Have to agree with this as well.
 

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Let’s keep reactions respectful, no barf reactions towards each other. What we need right now is constructive discussion about what should change, and openness to each other’s ideas, even when we disagree.

To make sure RP thrives in the long term, the people leading RP will focus entirely on guiding and supporting the section, rather than participating in RP themselves. This way we keep leadership neutral, community-driven, and free from any perception of personal gain. It’s about creating a fair and welcoming space for everyone’s stories to shine.

I don’t plant to rp, but I still want to learn ban hammer.

I read your posts years ago, it’s the ultimate move.

It’s your signature move.
 

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How do people feel about the latest landmark system where there was one thread per landmark rather than one "mega"-thread for the Ninja World? I can see the simplicity of the older system, but I also appreciate the details of the latest one.
 

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How do people feel about the latest landmark system where there was one thread per landmark rather than one "mega"-thread for the Ninja World? I can see the simplicity of the older system, but I also appreciate the details of the latest one.

I love having a thread for each landmark but with the state of the RP and how large the map is. It might be worth reducing it and opening up LMs when the RP expands.. if it ever does again.

I feel like one thread is just a mess
 

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I am going to focus and address this particular part.

This would be a Mistake. For all those who were around during the old days know about the races to submit customs before others could. And once it was taken, people would try and find work arounds or blatant duplication. This might not happen with the current members but you cannot say this would not be an issue for any newer blood that joins the RP. We lived it already. Lets learn from that mistake.

Techniques can be updated to fit the newer system. With a set standard and an active rp team this should not be an issue.

If you don't want a skill anymore and don't want to update something to be used, then you can submit it to be used as a Canon technique, this would give Mods full control to edit the technique themselves in a way that suits the RP standard.

Removing all customs is not the answer. You simply refresh the issue which we will then have to face again down the line.
Nah remove the customs too!
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How do people feel about the latest landmark system where there was one thread per landmark rather than one "mega"-thread for the Ninja World? I can see the simplicity of the older system, but I also appreciate the details of the latest one.
The landmarks are really good imo, the space is fine and to RPers benefits of they want to stay out of certain things or tell their own little story arc.
 

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Nah remove the customs too!
Starting from scratch with revamped systems would be the best bet imo.
I'll savor the memories of learning the basic 5 for two years though lmao
 

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There should be a middle ground somewhere; some dont want their customs lost or removed, some want to start fresh. I believe its truly in the game's best interests to start over completely: redo Damage and Health systems for cleaner metrics (the way damage works now doesnt make much sense mathematically and only works if you know the game and how the game wants it to work), simplify ability load outs and reduce the overall number of customs. I also strongly believe all existing customs should be considered voided in this new version.

However, I understand that most still love the abilities they've earned and gained over a 15+ year game. That's why I also propose a Legacy Mechanic where the current game is essentially "snapshotted" and bios are allowed to be used in the Battla Arena only along with the customs and skills they have. They couldn't be updated, couldn't add more to it, couldn't create more abilities for it, etc. It'll allow current and older members the chance to still use these characters for fun, exhibition style fights without hampering the chances to actually better the systems that exist as well as streamline rules.
 

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There should be a middle ground somewhere; some dont want their customs lost or removed, some want to start fresh. I believe its truly in the game's best interests to start over completely: redo Damage and Health systems for cleaner metrics (the way damage works now doesnt make much sense mathematically and only works if you know the game and how the game wants it to work), simplify ability load outs and reduce the overall number of customs. I also strongly believe all existing customs should be considered voided in this new version.

However, I understand that most still love the abilities they've earned and gained over a 15+ year game. That's why I also propose a Legacy Mechanic where the current game is essentially "snapshotted" and bios are allowed to be used in the Battla Arena only along with the customs and skills they have. They couldn't be updated, couldn't add more to it, couldn't create more abilities for it, etc. It'll allow current and older members the chance to still use these characters for fun, exhibition style fights without hampering the chances to actually better the systems that exist as well as streamline rules.

Pervy did already suggest a legacy mechanic in the other thread. I think a lot of people skimmed over it. I do think a legacy system would be good.

I just don't want to run into the same old issues.
 

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Pervy did already suggest a legacy mechanic in the other thread. I think a lot of people skimmed over it. I do think a legacy system would be good.

I just don't want to run into the same old issues.
That's understandable, but i dont think the game can healthily continue by putting bandages on systems we already know have inherent flaws when you can take the time to rebuild anew. Add to that the sheer complexity of the game as it stands and it alienated newer members from joining because its now a thesaurus of info to digest before even making a bio. I understand we all love pur abilities, but we've almost all are familiar with tabletop RPGS (TTRPG). Most exists as campaigns with clear endings and offer chances to start again with a new story. While the length of NB's "campaign" has been remarkable and incredible, you run into issues like what we saw towards the latter era of the NW where we needed to be "god-like" to have a believable story because of all the abilities and power creep. It created and fostered a game that moved further away from Naruto to, what Zatanna alluded to, a universal game where characters hovered between country to continent busting powers.
 

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There should be a middle ground somewhere; some dont want their customs lost or removed, some want to start fresh. I believe its truly in the game's best interests to start over completely: redo Damage and Health systems for cleaner metrics (the way damage works now doesnt make much sense mathematically and only works if you know the game and how the game wants it to work), simplify ability load outs and reduce the overall number of customs. I also strongly believe all existing customs should be considered voided in this new version.

However, I understand that most still love the abilities they've earned and gained over a 15+ year game. That's why I also propose a Legacy Mechanic where the current game is essentially "snapshotted" and bios are allowed to be used in the Battla Arena only along with the customs and skills they have. They couldn't be updated, couldn't add more to it, couldn't create more abilities for it, etc. It'll allow current and older members the chance to still use these characters for fun, exhibition style fights without hampering the chances to actually better the systems that exist as well as streamline rules.

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I think with the new system, things will be a lot cleaner, more streamlined, and it will be a lot easier to get back to the 'power fantasy' people had previously without feeling like they lost everything they worked for. As an example, it wont take something like 45 missions to full power up a bijuu etc.
 

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But all cannon abilities were assigned tiers, not just characters. The tiers should have a value because there will always be different power levels with a price tag. Teleporting has more value than throwing some better weapons. Six paths of pein have more value than leg weights for what they bring. Values and tier will inherently exist. Placing a value on them, sure. Scaling the numbers back and reworking damage interactions would work, especially for yy. But removing cannon in a naruto based rp, which it still is, is a bad idea.

Resub all customs to meet the new criteria, priority to the original submissions.

Customs and ownership would be the next debate. Because I know of several people who want a customs reset who have reported certain people for copying their stuff.

If not, ditch what we have here, new sub forum, new game.
why u not go post threads in naroto and one piece sektions..huh ingia..
 

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There should be a middle ground somewhere; some dont want their customs lost or removed, some want to start fresh. I believe its truly in the game's best interests to start over completely: redo Damage and Health systems for cleaner metrics (the way damage works now doesnt make much sense mathematically and only works if you know the game and how the game wants it to work), simplify ability load outs and reduce the overall number of customs. I also strongly believe all existing customs should be considered voided in this new version.

However, I understand that most still love the abilities they've earned and gained over a 15+ year game. That's why I also propose a Legacy Mechanic where the current game is essentially "snapshotted" and bios are allowed to be used in the Battla Arena only along with the customs and skills they have. They couldn't be updated, couldn't add more to it, couldn't create more abilities for it, etc. It'll allow current and older members the chance to still use these characters for fun, exhibition style fights without hampering the chances to actually better the systems that exist as well as streamline rules.

Something that I've thought about to follow this mentality I feel would be executed by simply introducing a new sub-section of the forum titled "Legacy RP" or whatever is desired and perhaps letting that be maintained by an independent team of staff. Far more scaled down than what the base game would entail, of course and only to receive guidance or assistance from the base-game moderation team as said team deems appropriate at their discretion. If conflicts arise, that is for the legacy staff to deal with, if it lacks activity, that is for that section to figure out.

This was a system already seen by the introduction of what was the "My Hero Academia" iteration that was made and participated in by a few members whom also participated in the NWRP as well. While I don't see that sub-section anymore, unless I'm just looking in the wrong places, I do recall observing it and noticing that it had mods that strictly operated within that section; either voluntarily or by simple assignment, I couldn't necessarily tell. But for the purposes of its own independent functionality, it served its purpose at the time from what I could tell.

It's also noteworthy to recognize that "unofficial fights" happen in the Battle Arena all the time despite what a user may technically have access to power/ability-wise or even bio-wise. These fights are generally done in light of "testing out" abilities or whatnot before making an official purchase, but I'd say this same mentality can be applied to all those that want to "retain" all that they have built -specifically with regard to their customs- by participating on an "unofficial" basis. Simply because it becomes unusable in the mainstream due to a reset, does not mean that it all goes away and ceases to exist. Time and place simply becomes more of an emphasized element, rather than "it's on my bio, so wherever my bio goes, it goes" sort of mentality.

Truthfully, what I find ironic about a lot of this discussion surrounding people's desire to live out their personal ambitious growth unrestricted by the rules and directives of the base-games systems is inherently supported and arguably even encouraged by having a section of the forum (which yes, does exist) called "General Roleplay," or even "Konoha Town" itself if dealing with Naruto-centric RP. These sections exist for members to develop their own narratives and RPs as they desire, unhindered by the pacing or direction established by the larger "default" game. While it's arguable that they may be limited to a singular thread per "idea," there may be some compromise to find where if a particular RP develops enough traction, it can have its own "sub-section" made within these categories (ex: how the "Ninja World" section has categories for each continental frame to the verse, such as "Lands of Fire," "The Badlands," etc, so under "General Roleplay," you might see a sub-section titled "MHA RP," "One Piece RP," etc) wherein several threads could be made within to accommodate a particular "General Roleplay" that is desired by an established clique of the community. Which, once again, would be ran by the members of these roleplays themselves, not to necessarily have any particular moderation authority of any kind, but just in a general sense conduct themselves as their own "DM" to these respective categories of RP.

Mechanically a lot of the framework for these things already exists in the current layout of the forum. I think it's just a question of how to organize it in a way that allows users to identify with these sections and not feel that they have to conform to the base game if it doesn't suit them and instead make their own thread among these other sub-sections, separate from the main game.

Sorry to quote you, LoK, and only really address what you were talking about a little then to go off on my own tangent as a follow up.. haha. šŸ™
 
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That's understandable, but i dont think the game can healthily continue by putting bandages on systems we already know have inherent flaws when you can take the time to rebuild anew. Add to that the sheer complexity of the game as it stands and it alienated newer members from joining because its now a thesaurus of info to digest before even making a bio. I understand we all love pur abilities, but we've almost all are familiar with tabletop RPGS (TTRPG). Most exists as campaigns with clear endings and offer chances to start again with a new story. While the length of NB's "campaign" has been remarkable and incredible, you run into issues like what we saw towards the latter era of the NW where we needed to be "god-like" to have a believable story because of all the abilities and power creep. It created and fostered a game that moved further away from Naruto to, what Zatanna alluded to, a universal game where characters hovered between country to continent busting powers.
Custom solution: people can use their old customs but only in BA, if they want to use them in the NW, they have to submit them for review and addition to canon list.
It would also free up space for new customs for people who don’t want to use their customs anymore and ensure customs are updated.

make a way like Pervy said and you a legacy system for older customs, and I still believe we need to reboot the system and improve on what is already there.
Just don’t take away peoples hard work over the years but make it accessible for them.
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Nah remove the customs too!
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The landmarks are really good imo, the space is fine and to RPers benefits of they want to stay out of certain things or tell their own little story arc.
The map is way too big for a small player base, you need to shrink it, you can always expand it later. Keep it smaller more tightly knit to one area or a smaller map to begin with and then expand when more players arrive
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You missed the main part. "With an active mod team" the reason it failed was due to inactivity on the mods part.

Removing customs would just be the same issue.. the mods would still have to check all the CJ people post after deleting them all.

Focusing on the bold. I alteady made the point that I believe all Customs should be place into a pool that everyone can use. This would avoid the need to resubmit something that used to exist. This would remove the need for people to copy. And it would allow the greatest creative flexibility. People can select CJ from this pool to use up to a total number on their bio. This would also remove the need for mods to check customs UNLESS someone has a completely brand new idea that has not been done. This would seriously cut mods soo much slack and allow them the time to update all the CJ that exists to fit current standards.

I suggested this on the other chat thread, near the start. But I don't think this would fly with most of the RP simply because people want to keep those things to themselves, which is understandable if they worked hard on something.
Really the main point and I agree with it, mods were inactive main reason it failed.

Secondly for the customs I have a slightly different idea which I posted further down but now that I read this I personally feel this is a better option for people’s customs but if people want to keep them to themselves then they just can’t use them in official fights until updated
 
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