Was Itachi killed by his own Susanoo?

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It just occurred to me that Itachi's health seemed totally fine at first (aside from near blindness). That didn't change until he started using Susanoo. Only then he started coughing blood and his health deteriorated until he died.

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And connected it with the fact that Sasuke was also continuously coughing blood and suffering internal damage while Susanoo was activated.

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Despite not suffering from any illnesses. So, the idea that there was no illness, but the side-effects of Susanoo, which non-Susanoo users don't know about. Itachi's body just couldn't adapt to the toll of using it, and that's what led to his death.
 
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I think it’s more of a general reason. I think he already had health issues and the susano, consuming chakra which is your life force, of course, just further made whatever sickness he was dealing with worse. Same instance with Kimimaro. He didn’t show any real signs of passing away until he was consuming a mass amount of chakra he otherwise would have been fine using. If your body is sick and you’re exerting what little life force you have left, you can expect your body to stunt recovery until you end up like they did. I don’t think it was directly related to the susano however it is a nice catch.
 
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I think it’s more of a general reason. I think he already had health issues and the susano, consuming chakra which is your life force, of course, just further made whatever sickness he was dealing with worse. Same instance with Kimimaro. He didn’t show any real signs of passing away until he was consuming a mass amount of chakra he otherwise would have been fine using. If your body is sick and you’re exerting what little life force you have left, you can expect your body to stunt recovery until you end up like they did. I don’t think it was directly related to the susano however it is a nice catch.
It's possible. But I meant it as something like this:
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That there were no illnesses, Susanoo was too much for his body and he couldn't adapt to it and was going to die whenever he started relying on it at any point, just like with Orochimaru and Jigen where their hosts were decaying because they were too much for their bodies, and that non-Susanoo users, including Black Zetsu and Obito, didn't know about that and are unreliable narrators, and making their assumptions just like with the Mizukage in that scan.
 
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I mean according to your brilliant research that I have intelligently decided to look into to better understand my broad knowledge. I would actually note that this thread does give high key information and points on how Susanoo affects the user. Although this is likely a contribute some people will factor in on his sickness. However how did Itachi get sick?
 
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I mean according to your brilliant research that I have intelligently decided to look into to better understand my broad knowledge. I would actually note that this thread does give high key information and points on how Susanoo affects the user. Although this is likely a contribute some people will factor in on his sickness. However how did Itachi get sick?
My point is that Obito is an unreliable narrator and has never used Susanoo and doesn't know how it works. There was no sickness, the side-effects of Susanoo is what got him.
To prove further that Obito is an unreliable narrator, he told Sasuke that Madara stole Izuna's Mangekyou because he was going blind. That turned out to be false. Izuna willingly gave his eyes to Madara on his death bed.
So, Obito doesn't actually know what he's talking about and making up stuff.
 
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Well he was sick. Im not saying Susanoo didnt have any effect
Well, the problem is that Obito, who is not trustworthy, is the one who claimed Itachi was sick. Nobody else did. Obito also told Sasuke he had no hand in the Kyuubi's attack on Konoha or the Uchiha's massacre and that Itachi single handedly slaughtered the Uchiha on his own. He lies when it's convenient. No reliable sources confirmed or mentioned Itachi's sickness. Sasuke has also had the same effects that Itachi had when he was using Susanoo and Mangekyou. And Karin stated that his chakra was weakening which is also arguably a sign of dying, which resulted from using Susanoo. Then we have the databook stating that it consumes the life force of the user.

Take away Obito and there is really no evidence Itachi was sick. There isn't even a mention of it. Susanoo would be the only explanation.
 
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Well, the problem is that Obito, who is not trustworthy, is the one who claimed Itachi was sick. Nobody else did. Obito also told Sasuke he had no hand in the Kyuubi's attack on Konoha or the Uchiha's massacre and that Itachi single handedly slaughtered the Uchiha on his own. He lies when it's convenient. No reliable sources confirmed or mentioned Itachi's sickness. Sasuke has also had the same effects that Itachi had when he was using Susanoo and Mangekyou. And Karin stated that his chakra was weakening which is also arguably a sign of dying, which resulted from using Susanoo. Then we have the databook stating that it consumes the life force of the user.

Take away Obito and there is really no evidence Itachi was sick. There isn't even a mention of it. Susanoo would be the only explanation.
Sasuke wasnt coughing blood
 

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Well, the problem is that Obito, who is not trustworthy, is the one who claimed Itachi was sick. Nobody else did. Obito also told Sasuke he had no hand in the Kyuubi's attack on Konoha or the Uchiha's massacre and that Itachi single handedly slaughtered the Uchiha on his own. He lies when it's convenient.
I think this theory has some real weight behind it, Obito's entire angle post-FBBB was to manipulate and further corrupt Sasuke. Narratively, I think a lot of the damage Sasuke sustained from overusing the Susano'o too early was just to further illustrate how brash and self-destructive he was being. Obito lying about Itachi's illness would help show how far Obito would hurt Sasuke on top of everything else. However, I think that it would have been revealed that it was all a lie, either by Itachi after he was revived or by some third party to deliver on that set-up. "Kishimoto forgot" works but since it was never revealed, I'd argue that it's most likely that he actually did have some underlying illness that was worsened by the use of the Susano'o.

Itachi hiding the symptoms of the disease until he physically could not do so anymore (exhausted due to the bout, lowered stamina throughout the fight due to the illness) would be in line with the constant posturing that he was doing in the Uchiha hideout to keep Sasuke convinced that he was a ill-intentioned killer with no remorse for his little brother.
 

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I think this theory has some real weight behind it, Obito's entire angle post-FBBB was to manipulate and further corrupt Sasuke. Narratively, I think a lot of the damage Sasuke sustained from overusing the Susano'o too early was just to further illustrate how brash and self-destructive he was being. Obito lying about Itachi's illness would help show how far Obito would hurt Sasuke on top of everything else. However, I think that it would have been revealed that it was all a lie, either by Itachi after he was revived or by some third party to deliver on that set-up. "Kishimoto forgot" works but since it was never revealed, I'd argue that it's most likely that he actually did have some underlying illness that was worsened by the use of the Susano'o.

Itachi hiding the symptoms of the disease until he physically could not do so anymore (exhausted due to the bout, lowered stamina throughout the fight due to the illness) would be in line with the constant posturing that he was doing in the Uchiha hideout to keep Sasuke convinced that he was a ill-intentioned killer with no remorse for his little brother.
Can I ask your thoughts, pertinent to the nature of Itachi's illness? Like, would you say that it has a connection with Kimimaro's mysterious illness? Or, alternatively, that it stemmed from utilizing The Mangekyō Sharingan, and The Susano'o?

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Can I ask your thoughts, pertinent to the nature of Itachi's illness? Like, would you say that it has a connection with Kimimaro's mysterious illness? Or, alternatively, that it stemmed from utilizing The Mangekyō Sharingan, and The Susano'o?

Also, Welcome Back To Naruto Base ! X'D < 3 !
Thank you! My honest thoughts are that they're probably two unrelated illnesses that Kishimoto used to weaken both characters before their fights to advance the plot. I'll try to come up with something just for the sake of it, though since I don't think it's too absurd to say that they may be connected.

Regarding Kimimaro's illness, this is the most popular theory:
The Kaguya clan's kekkei genkai allowing them to strengthen, grow, and repair their bones through osteoblast and osteoclast cell manipulation. However, Shizune warns us about cell manipulation and overusing cell division with the consequences of Tsunade's ability a few arcs prior.
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One could assume that the Kaguya clan's kekkei genkai falls under the same rule and that the more it's used, the more it lessens the user's lifespan. This could result in something such as a much weaker immune system or a very specific illness that stems specifically from the constant use of osteoclast cells in the regeneration and maintenance of the users bones.

The biggest issue with this would be this line that Kabuto drops in a flashback. This is where I drop the previous theory.
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As far as medical knowledge goes, I don't think there's too significant of a gap between Kabuto and Shizune. I think Kabuto would come to the same conclusion as Shizune if "too much cell division" was the case. It also seems like the most simple answer. So, you have to look at what information both Kabuto and Orochimaru are missing in regards to the Kaguya clan.
Well, the fact that the Kaguya clan are descendants of Kaguya Otsutsuki.
You can view Kimimaro's illness as a consequence of using the Shikotsumyaku to the point of passing the limits of his body - as a descendant of the Kaguya clan so many generations removed from the Otsutsuki. He would still have the capability of using the technique but not the same mastery or frequency as a clan member from an earlier generation, who would have a less "diluted" version of the technique and their body would be closer Kaguya's.

Itachi's illness would be the Uchiha variant of it, as the Uchiha are also descendants of the Otsutsuki and the Sharingan come from Hagoromo. Apply the same line of thinking from the Kaguya clan to the Uchiha and now you have a different reason for why they cannot use the Mangekyo Sharingan as much. The blindness and constant cell damage would come from their bodies not being built to withstand it as a result of their bloodline distancing themselves too much from the Otsutsuki. It would also only stack further and further with each generation. Perhaps this is why someone like Madara never encountered the same illness, also helps that he obtained the EMS early.

Otsutsuki descendants suffer from these genetic illnesses and they probably also compound with incest related health issues as the clans try to retain enough genetic purity to guarantee their offspring obtain the kekkei genkai. The Kaguya clan is probably the most guilty of that last point, since they were a ferocious blood-thirsty clan made for combat. It's not unreasonable to assume they would have kids at a young age and die relatively young as well, so most probably did not get to see the consequences of overusing the kekkei genkai like Kimimaro did. They would also never find out what their equivalent of the Mangekyo Sharingan is; At least the Uchiha figured out a loophole and could negate the negative effects of overusing their powerful kekkei genkai.

That's all I have. I haven't read the novels but apparently Hagoromo and Naruto had some similar disease? Someone with more knowledge than me could fill in those blanks. I don't buy into this theory too much, I just thought it would be fun to come up with something.
 
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